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Russia Moved Iraqi WMD

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ShadowRed

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml
Russia Moved Iraqi WMD
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, March 3, 2005
Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon
According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria.

"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.


According to Shaw, Russian units hid Saddam's arsenal inside Syria and in Lebanon's Bekka valley.

"While in Iraq I uncovered detailed information that Spetsnatz units shredded records and moved all WMD and specified advanced munitions out of Iraq to Syria and Lebanon," stated Shaw during an exclusive interview.

"I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives. Moscow made a 2001 agreement with Saddam Hussein to clear up all Russian involvement in WMD systems in Iraq," stated Shaw.

Shaw's assertions match the information provided by U.S. military forces that satellite surveillance showed extensive large-vehicle traffic crossing the Syrian border prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Moscow Paranoid About WMD

Shaw's information also backs allegations by a wide variety of sources of Russia's direct involvement in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. One U.N. bioterrorism expert announced that Russia has been Iraq's "main supplier of the materials and know-how to weaponize anthrax, botulism and smallpox."

Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Robert Goldberg cited former U.N. weapons inspector Richard Spertzel, who stated that Moscow supplied Baghdad with fermentation equipment to produce biotoxins.

According to Spertzel, the Russians on the U.N. inspection team in Iraq were "paranoid" about his efforts to uncover smallpox production.

Goldberg noted that no country has "done more to rebuild" Saddam's chemical and biological weapons programs or "been more aggressive in helping hide the truth" than Russia.

It is a fact that Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons and Russian money. Saddam was in debt to Moscow for over $8 billion for the arms he purchased from Russia when he was captured by U.S. forces.

The primary Iraqi chemical weapons were VX nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, both obtained from Russia.

According to the book "Russian Military Power," published in 1982, "It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents."

The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were the nerve agent "VX" and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I."

Russian Chemical Weapons in Iraq

Iraq did most of its WMD killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on Iranian troops and Iraqi Kurds.

Iraq obtained Russian delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian-made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets were armed with Warsaw Pact-designed bombs filled with chemical weapons. Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq war.

Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf War, but they were detected and destroyed on the ground before they could launch a deadly chemical attack.

Other Russian weapons found with chemical weapons include the FROG-7 missile, 122 mm rockets, 152 mm artillery and the M-1937 82 mm mortars. All the Iraqi artillery missiles, rockets, shells and mortar rounds filled with chemical weapons are of Russian design.

Iraqi forces were trained by Russians in the use of chemical weapons and equipped by Russia with anti-chemical suits. The Iraqi armed forces were trained, equipped and supplied with the proper logistics to perform chemical warfare by Russia.

Lebanon and Syria

The arming of Iraq with such weapons has a direct impact on events today in the Middle East. The presence of former Iraqi WMD systems in Lebanon raises serious questions surrounding the Feb. 14 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Many blame Syria for Hariri's murder.

However, the possibility that Hariri discovered the location of the Iraqi WMD systems inside his country lends some credible backing to a Syrian assassination effort to silence him.

In addition, the sudden sale of advanced missile and other weapons to Damascus by Moscow also supports the allegation that Syria is hiding something for Russia.

Russian weapons makers have previously insisted on hard, cold cash payments for their missiles, especially after the fall of Saddam and the collapse of credit deals done with Baghdad. More importantly, the Syrian economy is in bad shape, making it difficult for Damascus to come up with the required money for advanced Russian weapons.

Instead, it now appears that Moscow has extended both very good terms and no down payment required to Syria for an extensive purchase of advanced missiles and weapons. This is in contrast to weapons sales to other "good" Russian customers such as China, which can afford to pay up front for weapon systems.

CIA Failed

There is no question that the Russian effort to remove Iraqi WMD systems was the most successful intelligence operation of the 21st century. The Russians were able to move hundreds of tons of chemical, biological and nuclear materials without being discovered by CIA satellites or NSA radio listening posts.

"There is a clear sense on how effective they were," noted Shaw.

"The fact that the CIA did not know shows just how successful the Russian operation was," he concluded.
 

Dilbert

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First of all, that site is FULL of bullshit.

Second, the article isn't even internally consistent:

ShadowRed said:
Shaw's assertions match the information provided by U.S. military forces that satellite surveillance showed extensive large-vehicle traffic crossing the Syrian border prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.
The Russians were able to move hundreds of tons of chemical, biological and nuclear materials without being discovered by CIA satellites or NSA radio listening posts.
Third, did I mention that site was full of bullshit?
 

Shinobi

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Yeah, there's bullshit regardless...if every single shred of WMD was moved, how in the hell could such a move not be spotted? They had no trouble seeing it before (if you believe them anyway). Either way you can smell the stink.
 

Loki

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-jinx- said:
First of all, that site is FULL of bullshit.

Second, the article isn't even internally consistent:



Third, did I mention that site was full of bullshit?

Owned. :D
 

android

Theoretical Magician
-jinx- said:
First of all, that site is FULL of bullshit.

Second, the article isn't even internally consistent:



Third, did I mention that site was full of bullshit?
That is one of the dumbest errors in reporting I have ever seen
 

DaMan121

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Sigh.. Even though its soo obviously BS, you will still get your typical conservative work colleagues/ student friend spouting it next week. Ofcourse that is a good thing since you can own them in public and embarrass them.. yeah for gullibility!
 
-jinx- said:
First of all, that site is FULL of bullshit.

Second, the article isn't even internally consistent:



Third, did I mention that site was full of bullshit?

Doesn't the military have its own intelligence-gathering sources that are separate from the CIA's? The military might have caught what the CIA missed.
 

Shinobi

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I already explained how silly it would be if it were true. Either the spy satilites somehow managed to miss all this shit getting lifted out of Iraq despite months of survillance (gross incompetence), or they missed it on purpose (high treason). There are no other options.

Having said that, I do believe Russia and Iraq had deep links. But hell, the US was linked to Iraq right before the original Gulf War, and that's rarely held against them.
 
This wouldn't surprise me.

And what new light it would give to the Russian veto in the UN, if they not only had oil contracts with the dictator but also had something to hide regarding weapons.
 

ShadowRed

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radioheadrule83 said:
This wouldn't surprise me.

And what new light it would give to the Russian veto in the UN, if they not only had oil contracts with the dictator but also had something to hide regarding weapons.




Hey you might be onto something there. I guess the French and Germans we're in on it too as they also threatened to veto any action against Iraq. Now that I think about it Mexico and Canada were against the war too, maybe they also assisted in getting rid of the WMD in light of their opposition to the US.
 
ShadowRed said:
Hey you might be onto something there. I guess the French and Germans we're in on it too as they also threatened to veto any action against Iraq. Now that I think about it Mexico and Canada were against the war too, maybe they also assisted in getting rid of the WMD in light of their opposition to the US.

har harrg...

Well, the French had contracts too. And the Germans should be having no say in invasions for the rest of human history, amen. And who the fuck are Mexico and Canada :D

Let me clarify. The story is most likely total bullshit. Especially given the way it's written. However, you don't need to be in the white house / up on capital hill to be a bunch of evil bastards. It wouldn't surprise me.
 
I agree.

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No amount of tin hats can bring back the wasted life.
 

Dilbert

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Hammy said:
Doesn't the military have its own intelligence-gathering sources that are separate from the CIA's? The military might have caught what the CIA missed.
Satellite assets are ALL under the control of the National Reconnaissance Office.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Same bullshit, different day.

The last time John Shaw tried to sell this story, it was about a particular explosives cache at Al Qa Qaa. But after he said the Russians moved it before the war, someone turned up some postwar footage of the explosives still in the facility.

I suppose it's too much to hope he'll get busted on videotape again, but at this point I don't think it's needed.
 

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
"other russian weapons..."

um, how many Iraqi weapons were US provided?!?!?
 

Jacobi

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That story is totally true. Germany helped Russia with their invisible UFOs so the satellites were useless.
 

Che

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Do The Mario said:
:lol

When Iraq was about to be invaded you would think Saddam would want WMD’s

....and this is why it can be proven that the Republicans are absolute idiots. I mean if you can't think something as simple as Do the Mario's post and you believe this article you MUST be a total idiot. Let's analyze this. What kind of MORON would go into so much trouble to built WMDs and then move it out of his country when he needs them the most? I mean c'mon! Give me a sign of intelligence here guys! PLEASE!
 

Shinobi

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Che said:
....and this is why it can be proven that the Republicans are absolute idiots. I mean if you can't think something as simple as Do the Mario's post and you believe this article you MUST be a total idiot. Let's analyze this. What kind of MORON would go into so much trouble to built WMDs and then move it out of his country when he needs them the most? I mean c'mon! Give me a sign of intelligence here guys! PLEASE!

Yep...it's the one question I've asked repeatedly the past two years, the one large and significant detail that's constantly ignored by these neo-con idiots and their flock of sheep. I've yet to hear a reasonable answer for this, for one simple reason...a reasonable answer does not exist.
 

AssMan

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Well, the French had contracts too. And the Germans should be having no say in invasions for the rest of human history



35% of France's oil comes from Iraq, and Germany's military consists of about a third of muslims.
 

bionic77

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Che said:
....and this is why it can be proven that the Republicans are absolute idiots. I mean if you can't think something as simple as Do the Mario's post and you believe this article you MUST be a total idiot. Let's analyze this. What kind of MORON would go into so much trouble to built WMDs and then move it out of his country when he needs them the most? I mean c'mon! Give me a sign of intelligence here guys! PLEASE!

That makes perfect sense and really can't be refuted.

Unless...
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First, Newsmax is an extreme right-wing propaganda mouthpiece, it has no credibility...

Now that Iraq is done. Next on the agenda is Iran and Syria. We can attack Iran to take out the nukes they might have in few years. Bush has already signed off that plan. We need an excuse to attack Syria, well, what better excuse than follow the WMD trail? Watch the Fox News and New York Post of the world start ratcheting-up the rhetoric, it's all going according to plan...Sit back and let the big boys at the Pentagon do their business...
 

DJ Sl4m

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Whether it's true or not (which I doubt it is), keep in mind military survalence doesn't neccesarily mean the CIA.
 
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