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[amigastar]

Seagate ships 30TB Drives for 559,99 Euros. Now i'm not thinking about buying them but 560 bucks for 30TB? Come on thats a good deal. You get 2TB SSD for 120 Euros or 70 Euros for HDD nowadays. But as far as i understand they are not SSD and have only 275 MB/s so thats that.

Seagate Ships 30TB Drives to Meet Global Surge in Data Center AI Storage Demand | Seagate Deutschland

www.seagate.com

Seagate unveils 30TB HAMR HDDs for the masses — laser-powered IronWolf Pro and Exos drives are now widely available

HAMR goes mass market HDDs.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Sonik]

But as far as i understand they are not SSD and have only 275 MB/s so thats that.

You didn't mention the worst part, they're Seagate

 

[amigastar]

You didn't mention the worst part, they're Seagate

Really, that bad?

 

[Sonik]

Really, that bad?

Seagate is notorious for unreliable HDDs, last time I bought from them was 8 years ago and the HDD lasted just 2 years. HDDs in general have gotten worse as far as reliability is concerned in my experience, fortunately they rarely suddenly die anymore and there are plenty of programs like HDD Sentinel that warn you beforehand, so the risk of losing all your data is pretty low

 

[Audiophile]

It's odd for me as I've gone through tonnes of HDDs over the years and I've never had a Seagate fail, whereas Western Digital & Toshiba have always been the worst. I always seek (lol) them out over most other brands and refuse to touch WD. now.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It's odd for me as I've gone through tonnes of HDDs over the years and I've never had a Seagate fail

Me too. Haven't had a problem yet and owned a fair few, that still work, years and years later.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I never buy anything bigger than 1TB because data loss is a nightmare for me; imagine losing 30TB of data lol, I'd have to buy several for redundancy.

 

[Celcius]

It's exciting to see storage getting so large

 

[Ulysses 31]

It's exciting to see storage getting so large

Kinda of a bummer it's the older storage tech, nvme is still 8TB max.

 

[Sonik]

It's odd for me as I've gone through tonnes of HDDs over the years and I've never had a Seagate fail, whereas Western Digital & Toshiba have always been the worst. I always seek (lol) them out over most other brands and refuse to touch WD. now.

To be fair WD has been getting worse too, they all have so it isn't that surprising. Western Digital were actually reliable only before the Thailand floods, the HDD industry never truly recovered from that, both their reliability, innovation and prices have simply been fucking shit since then

 

[sono]

"To enable high-density writing, the drives are equipped with a specialized plasmonic writer subsystem featuring a vertically integrated nanophotonic laser. This laser heats a small spot on the FePT recording layer on the disk to approximately 450°C (842°F), altering its magnetic coercivity and allowing data to be recorded on the heated spot. Reading is handled by heads that use Gen 7 Spintronic Reader, which features multiple reading sensors to help mitigate signal interference between adjacent tracks, ensuring data can be read accurately even at very high track densities."

Crazy stuff

 

[Futaleufu]

But as far as i understand they are not SSD and have only 275 MB/s so thats that.

These are made for storage/backups/data hoarding, not for speed. And you are supposed to buy several of them and mount them in a NAS for reliability reasons.

 

[Sonik]

This laser heats a small spot on the FePT recording layer on the disk to approximately 450°C (842°F)

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

Seagate is notorious for unreliable HDDs, last time I bought from them was 8 years ago and the HDD lasted just 2 years. HDDs in general have gotten worse as far as reliability is concerned in my experience, fortunately they rarely suddenly die anymore and there are plenty of programs like HDD Sentinel that warn you beforehand, so the risk of losing all your data is pretty low

It's pretty clear that they do that on purpose. Scumbags.

 

[Zathalus]

Really, that bad?

Depends on the drive:

Backblaze reveals best and worst disk drives with 2024 failure rate stats – Blocks and Files

Backup and cloud storage supplier Backblaze has released its quarterly disk drive stats report.

blocksandfiles.com

It also depends on the year:

Backblaze Drive Stats for 2023

Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein. Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein.

www.backblaze.com

Generally, drive failures are low across the board. But you will always get those that swear by brand X, and then have somebody else say brand X is dogshit.

 

[Sonik]

Depends on the drive:

Backblaze reveals best and worst disk drives with 2024 failure rate stats – Blocks and Files

Backup and cloud storage supplier Backblaze has released its quarterly disk drive stats report.

blocksandfiles.com

It also depends on the year:

Backblaze Drive Stats for 2023

Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein. Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein.

www.backblaze.com

Generally, drive failures are low across the board. But you will always get those that swear by brand X, and then have somebody else say brand X is dogshit.

Isn't that pretty conclusive that Seagate drives are shit? Sure you might find a Seagate model that isn't a disaster but the risk is pretty high compared to other manufacturers

 

[Zathalus]

Isn't that pretty conclusive that Seagate drives are shit? Sure you might find a Seagate model that isn't a disaster but the risk is pretty high compared to other manufacturers

Depends on the model. The most reliable drive in 2023 was a Seagate for example with 0 failures.

 

[Sonik]

Depends on the model. The most reliable drive in 2023 was a Seagate for example with 0 failures.

The 0 failures hdds on BackBlaze are usually the ones they bought at small numbers. Regardless, what would you rather buy from, a manufacturer that has plenty of models with terrible reliability and a few with great reliability, or one that is consistently reliable?

 

[Ironbunny]

Personal experience has made me avoid seagate like the plague. Btw these 30tb drives are said to be rather noisy. I buy either HGST or western digital. I just hope we start getting 20-40 tb SSDs in reasonable prices.

 

[Haint]

Depends on the drive:

Backblaze reveals best and worst disk drives with 2024 failure rate stats – Blocks and Files

Backup and cloud storage supplier Backblaze has released its quarterly disk drive stats report.

blocksandfiles.com

It also depends on the year:

Backblaze Drive Stats for 2023

Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein. Read the 2023 Drive Stats Report and the latest insights on drive failure from Andy Klein.

www.backblaze.com

Generally, drive failures are low across the board. But you will always get those that swear by brand X, and then have somebody else say brand X is dogshit.

Their failure rates in multiple models are 10x - 50x higher than their competitors, so it seems well confirmed as a general rule Seagate is a demonstrably poor brand and best avoided. They earned that reputation a decade or so ago when they had that 3TB model with literally 90% failure rates, and are still shipping shit today with nearly 20% failure rates. They clearly do not care about quality.