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Shinji Mikami is leaving Tango Gameworks
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Alternative take to the idea that he is leaving to make games elsewhere: he'll be 58 this year. After 25 years in the industry and the knowledge of how much work it would be to set up a new studio or even just a new team and how long it takes to make a game...
Is it likely that he would turn his back on the well resourced, skilled team and a parent company who were very keen to have him make games?
Or is it likely that he'd want to spend a year or two setting a studio up or just attempting to hire a complete staff, all so he can release a game at the age of 65 on Xbox, PC and Playstation rather than Xbox and PC.
I'll say again, if he wants to make a game, he's got the team and support now. But it doesn't get released on PlayStation. It gets released everywhere else. So leave the fully staffed and accomplished company you created and start again. At 58.
I would think the most likely thing is that he doesn't plan to make more games. The only way I see that happening is if he is getting a giant payday to head a production by another fully established studio. As to whether he can just leave the company and immediately start working elsewhere, I don't know but I don't see him setting something new up as a reasonably likely outcome, and I intend no offence when I say I don't frankly think his brand would make a dramatic difference to a game's marketing.
All signs point to: if he wanted to make games he'd be making games right now. Not leaving the games company he created. Time will of course tell.
Is it likely that he would turn his back on the well resourced, skilled team and a parent company who were very keen to have him make games?
Or is it likely that he'd want to spend a year or two setting a studio up or just attempting to hire a complete staff, all so he can release a game at the age of 65 on Xbox, PC and Playstation rather than Xbox and PC.
I'll say again, if he wants to make a game, he's got the team and support now. But it doesn't get released on PlayStation. It gets released everywhere else. So leave the fully staffed and accomplished company you created and start again. At 58.
I would think the most likely thing is that he doesn't plan to make more games. The only way I see that happening is if he is getting a giant payday to head a production by another fully established studio. As to whether he can just leave the company and immediately start working elsewhere, I don't know but I don't see him setting something new up as a reasonably likely outcome, and I intend no offence when I say I don't frankly think his brand would make a dramatic difference to a game's marketing.
All signs point to: if he wanted to make games he'd be making games right now. Not leaving the games company he created. Time will of course tell.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Retiring on HIGH note, I see.
Hifi Rush is a huge achievement, pretty much accomplishes whatever he set out to do with the studio.
This is the sort of challenge any executive would get excited for.
Hifi Rush is a huge achievement, pretty much accomplishes whatever he set out to do with the studio.
This is the sort of challenge any executive would get excited for.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
Imagine if Jim Ryan signed the lead developers from Playground Games new studio lol
VolticArchangel
Member
What are the odds that he joins NetEase and forms his own studio...
Yoboman
Member
Lol no. Man's 50 years old and made bank already. If he's making games it's so that many people can play them
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Within the next couple of years we will have a lot of well known devs retiring.
Arkangelus0
Banned
Microsoft is Terrible managing theit own studios and securing talent, from a NDA perspective we may never know what happen, but with Microsoft record is something like this:
1-Mikami like the rest of his generation, Just want to mentor young developers and make games, without the stress of directing
2-Microsoft like always stick his nose and besides creative work, now have to do Corporate and "Suit Work"
3-They want to implement some stupid policy, like when they wanted Bungie to wear Suits to work, Probably an outsorcing policy like the infamous 18 month contract, or wanted to change the estudio DNA and pipelines
4-He is pissed with many Corporate Bullshit, He is very rich and not happy, so he leave to a studio who Just can mentor to deliver games
Microsoft want their first party games to be Online first, Single player optional, so for someone like mikami, that was a recipee for disaster, And im pretty sure kamiya And the rest of their friend at platinum told them the pain in the ass Microsoft can be
1-Mikami like the rest of his generation, Just want to mentor young developers and make games, without the stress of directing
2-Microsoft like always stick his nose and besides creative work, now have to do Corporate and "Suit Work"
3-They want to implement some stupid policy, like when they wanted Bungie to wear Suits to work, Probably an outsorcing policy like the infamous 18 month contract, or wanted to change the estudio DNA and pipelines
4-He is pissed with many Corporate Bullshit, He is very rich and not happy, so he leave to a studio who Just can mentor to deliver games
Microsoft want their first party games to be Online first, Single player optional, so for someone like mikami, that was a recipee for disaster, And im pretty sure kamiya And the rest of their friend at platinum told them the pain in the ass Microsoft can be
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Agreed. But I would think that they would just say they're retiring, unless there's some weird Japanese stigma against that.
Vick
Gold Member
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Over 200 thousands employees work for MS full time and Microsoft is among the best work cultures dude. This console war shit is childish and silly.Imagine working for MS
Yoboman
Member
199,999 now
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
yazenov
Gold Member
Yes, Imagine the shame and dishonor whenever he meets new people in Japan and presents his business card to them
ThatPolishGuy
Member
Would love to see him back maybe working on a Dino Crisis remake with Capcom? But if he's really retiring - good for him. Well deserved rest I guess.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So he should work exclusively on Nintendo games then?
Eh, I’d be fine with Switch/PC exclusives.
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alphachino
Member
Shits_McGiggles
Member
Why? So that Sony can add another UK studio to their hit list?
Yoboman
Member
That would definitely give him the biggest Japanese audience and he has a good relationship with Nintendo. He has always prioritised higher tech though
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So Switch/PC it is then. I’m good with that!
The Cartographer
Member
Somehow I knew this was going to happen at some point.
I hope he won't retire just yet and collaborate here and there on new projects as a producer, creative director or whatever.
I hope he won't retire just yet and collaborate here and there on new projects as a producer, creative director or whatever.
TheGodfather07
Member
Yes, Imagine the shame and dishonor whenever he meets new people in Japan and presents his business card to them
Imagine telling them your shit is on xbox but not Nintendo or playstation. The shame was just too much for mikami.
anthony2690
Member
Some of these posts are just embarrassing, dude leaves a company and then console warriors frothing at the mouth come in with hopium.and imagine its PS5 exclusive!!!
anthony2690
Member
This is how I feel, would love to see Dino Crises 1 & 2 be remade & maybe make a new number 3, pretending the original one doesn't exist
But if he retires, like you said, it's well deserved
Hobbygaming
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By 'hit list' you mean make some bangers?
PS got the midas touch these days
Badlucktroll
Member
Are all these dudes going to leave their companies that MS bought now
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
He's publicly said he wants to make one last game. I doubt he's retiring yet.
intheinbetween
Member
It seems the most creative japanese developers end up leaving big companies and they prefer to work on their own: Kojima, Sakaguchi, Kamiya, Itagaki.. on the other hand only a few are still working for their respective companies: Miyamoto, Yamauchi, Nomura and Miyazaki.
IIRC Minami wanted Mikami to join his new studio M-Two (backed by Capcom) a few years ago: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/tatsuya-minami-reportedly-starts-new-capcom-backed-studio-m-two-inc
IIRC Minami wanted Mikami to join his new studio M-Two (backed by Capcom) a few years ago: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/tatsuya-minami-reportedly-starts-new-capcom-backed-studio-m-two-inc
Thirty7ven
Banned
He leaves Tango in a good state. Evil Within 2 was imo better than the first, Ghostwire Tokyo was middling but High Fi Rush is a great AA game. He’s not leaving a mess behind that’s for sure.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
One of the absolute very few that I was a little bit envious of during the acquisition so I hope he at least leaves to a company that can make games for every platform.
CuteFaceJay
Member
His Wiki says he's 57. This man prolly wants to enjoy retirement but then again do Japanese men even retire this early as they all live till like 100+?
consoul
Member
Man's retiring. And I'm happy for him.
I've been following him on twitter and the vibe I've felt over the past few years is that he no longer has a burning desire to make new games. I reckon his new focus is chilling out, eating well, travelling and enjoying life. He doesn't need to work anymore.
I've been following him on twitter and the vibe I've felt over the past few years is that he no longer has a burning desire to make new games. I reckon his new focus is chilling out, eating well, travelling and enjoying life. He doesn't need to work anymore.
.Pennywise
Banned
Idk man, The Evil Within had its good things and it had it bad things, but little to nothing remarkable.
And Ghostwire... Oof.
Biggest hit at Tango came from another 'no one knows shit about him' designer and his low budget side project.
Goes to show how this is yet another demonstration that ideas>>>>>>names.
And Ghostwire... Oof.
Biggest hit at Tango came from another 'no one knows shit about him' designer and his low budget side project.
Goes to show how this is yet another demonstration that ideas>>>>>>names.
Yoboman
Member
Are you under the assumption Mikami directed Ghostwire or something?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Came here to post this. At least someone is actually paying attention. He said he had maybe one more game in him two years ago.
He may have changed his mind since then, but there's no indication that he left because of Xbox or Bethesda or that he got poached.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
No idea what's going on over at Tango. They also lost the director of Ghostwire mid development. Either this means he feels his mentorship phase is done because they're doing well, or he dislikes working at Tango for some reason. Could be a sign theyre in great shape or about to see an exodus. Waiting 1 month after Hi-Fi Rush just tells me he's had this in mind for a while.
Leaving a job is one thing, but leaving a studio you founded yourself and are the top person at is certainly strange.
Leaving a job is one thing, but leaving a studio you founded yourself and are the top person at is certainly strange.
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Roman Empire
Member
Great decision by Mikami. He can do whatever he wants and, probably, be highly successful.
mansoor1980
Member
time to join the organics
Buggy Loop
Member
Didn’t he already say it was coming in one of the Ghostwire interview? I remember this from somewhere. It’s not surprising news.
Coloress_Kafka
Member
No shit, imagine spending 5 plus years working on a project that nobody in your home country is gonna give a shit about. When you get his age time is way more valuable than money.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
When MS acquired Zenimax, I was telling my friend that Mikami would either buy themselves out and be independent or he and other key people would leave sooner or later.
Tango Gameworks without Mikami is like Kojima Productions without Kojima. It becomes just a name.
Tango Gameworks without Mikami is like Kojima Productions without Kojima. It becomes just a name.
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