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Shocking News! Gay conversion therapy really doesn't work.

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Escape Goat

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Four young men who say they underwent therapy that sought to “convert” them from gay to straight are suing a New Jersey provider known as JONAH, alleging fraud and accusing it of using dangerous sham tactics to try to “fix something that isn’t broken.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center on Tuesday filed the lawsuit in Superior Court of New Jersey on behalf of the men and two of their parents against Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing (JONAH), its founder, Arthur Goldberg, and counselor Alan Downing.

The lawsuit alleges the defendants violated New Jersey’s Consumer Fraud Act by providing “conversion therapy” that falsely claims to “cure” gay clients. It is the first time a “conversion therapy” provider has been sued for fraudulent business practices, according to the SPLC, a Montgomery, Ala.-based civil rights organization that fights hate and bigotry. Suing are Michael Ferguson, 30, of Salt Lake City; Benjamin Unger, 25, of Brooklyn, N.Y.; Chaim Levin, 23, of Brooklyn, N.Y.; and Sheldon Bruck, 20, of New York City, along with Levin’s mother, Bella Levin, and Bruck’s mother, Jo Bruck.

The lawsuit says clients of JONAH’s services typically paid a minimum of $100 for weekly individual counseling sessions and another $60 for group therapy sessions.

Ferguson was in his 20s and Unger, Levin and Bruck were in their late teens when they underwent the therapy, according to the lawsuit.

The four men say they were lured into JONAH’s services through deceptive practices and then subjected to humiliating and emotionally damaging therapy techniques, including group sessions in which they were instructed to stand naked in a circle with their counselor, who was also undressed.

“JONAH profits off of shameful and dangerous attempts to fix something that isn’t broken,” Christine P. Sun, deputy legal director for the SPLC, said in a statement. “Despite the consensus of mainstream professional organizations that conversion therapy doesn’t work, this racket continues to scam vulnerable gay men and lesbians out of thousands of dollars and inflicts significant harm on them.”

JONAH, based in Jersey City, did not respond to telephone messages and emails from NBC News for comment.

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages as well as revocation of JONAH’s business license and an order to stop its employees and associates from continuing reparative therapy practices.

In the lawsuit, Ferguson said he participated in one session in which clients took turns trying break past a human chain to wrest away two oranges, which were used to represent testicles, from another individual – all the while being taunted with statements such as “you’re such a fag, homo, queer boy.”

“They play blindly with deep emotions and create an immense amount of self-doubt for the client,” Ferguson was quoted as saying in a press release from the SPLC. “They seize on your personal vulnerability, and tell you that being gay is synonymous with being less of a man. They further misrepresent themselves as having the key to your new orientation.”

Unger said his counselor advised him to spend more time at the gym as well as to get naked with his father at bathhouses to “get in touch with his masculinity.”

“These counselors are skilled at manipulating you into believing just about anything,” said Unger. “During my time with JONAH, they told me constantly that my mom had made me gay. I was so convinced that I refused to have any contact with her for several months, which caused a great deal of damage to our relationship.”

In another exercise, according to the lawsuit, clients were blindfolded in sporting scenes as counselors and others dribbled basketballs and hurled anti-gay slurs at them.

JONAH, formerly known as Jews Offering New Alternatives for Homosexuality, was founded by Goldberg, a former Wall Street executive and attorney.

The organization describes itself as “a non-profit international organization dedicated to educating the worldwide Jewish community about the social, cultural and emotional factors which lead to same-sex attractions.”

JONAH’s mission statement adds:
"Our Rabbinical sages explain that because mankind has been endowed by our Creator with a free will, everyone has the capacity to change. Furthermore, the Rabbis emphasize that parents, teachers and counselors have a special responsibility to educate, nurture, and provide an opportunity for those struggling with unwanted same-sex attractions to journey out of homosexuality.

Through psychological and spiritual counseling, peer support, and self-empowerment, JONAH seeks to reunify families, to heal the wounds surrounding homosexuality, and to provide hope."

The SPLC says the essential premise of conversion therapy, sometimes also called “reparative” or “ex-gay” therapy – that it will “convert” a gay person into a straight person – has no basis in scientific fact. Such therapy has long been discredited by mainstream mental health and medical professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, according to the law center.

Two months ago, California became the first state in the nation to ban gay conversion therapy for minors when Gov. Jerry Brown signed Senate Bill 1172. The bill's sponsor, Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, called gay cure therapy "quackery" and said parents were never informed of its potentially dangerous aftereffects.

At least two groups, the Christian legal organization Liberty Counsel and the California-based Pacific Justice Institute, have filed lawsuits challenging the California ban.
Also, U.S. Rep. Jackie Speier , D-Calif., said that on Wednesday in the U.S. House, she plans to introduce a resolution, called Stop Harming Our Kids, aimed at stopping reparative therapy practices on minors.

With a therapy program like that I don't know why it didn't work.
 

Orayn

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These programs are horrific and the people who run them are monsters. The sooner they're all shut down, the better.
 

Orayn

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It's shocking anyone ever took them seriously or spent a lot of cash in them.

It's not so shocking that people who live in an environment where they're stigmatized for being who they are turn to desperate measures because they want to be accepted. Yeah, you can argue that they should have gotten a more diverse perspective and known better, but the social pressures that lead people to enroll in programs like this are pretty intense.
 

Timedog

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I don't understand. Why wouldn't being blindfolded while people around you dribble basketballs and call you gay slurs cure you of your sinfulness? I'm not disputing the article, and my best friend is gay, but I just don't understand how it wouldn't work...
 

ronito

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How funny hamburglar, I was just about post this:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55350687-78/therapy-conversion-gay-levin.html.csp

A University of Utah student, along with three other gay men, filed the first lawsuit Tuesday against those who perform "conversion therapy," the controversial treatment for changing a person’s sexual orientation from gay to straight, according to a lawyer involved in the case.

Utah’s first openly gay state senator, attorney Scott McCoy, is representing the students in the lawsuit, which was announced at a 10 a.m. news conference in New York City, where McCoy now lives.


The four gay men, Michael Ferguson, who lives in Salt Lake City, Benjamin Unger, Chaim Levin and Sheldon Bruck, all of New York City, underwent conversion therapy at a New Jersey center called JONAH, Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing.

The men are suing under New Jersey’s Consumer Fraud Act, which protects from deceptive, false or fraudulent business practices, claiming the conversion therapy, which could cost more than $10,000 annually, caused depression and other harm when they were unable to change their sexual orientation.

Levin, 23, said he knew there was something wrong when his therapist told him to strip off all his clothes and hold his penis in front of a mirror.

"I really wanted to believe I could change," Levin said. "Then they blamed me."

Levin, who underwent therapy for more than a year at JONAH, said his experience with conversion therapy was traumatic because he was sexually abused as a child.

Sam Wolfe, an attorney with the Southern Poverty Law Center, said conversion therapy is based on the erroneous belief that being gay is a mental disorder, a notion that mainstream health organization reject, including the American Psychiatric Association.

"We want to dispel the myths that these people hold any answers," Wolfe said. "Sexual orientation does not need repair. We’ll hold them accountable for their lies and abuse to our clients."

Wolfe and Levin said the four men underwent the following as part of the conversion therapy: removing all their clothes during sessions; intimate hugging between them and older counselors of the same sex; hitting an effigy of the client’s mother with a tennis racket; attending gyms more often in order to be nude with "father figures;" and undergoing mock locker-room scenarios.
I don't know about you guys but the last paragraph got me all hot.

Seriously though BYU and the LDS church have a notorious conversion/aversion therapy program called the "Evergreen Group" that made the news for using shock therapy. I can't imagine a lawsuit against them is too far off.
 
It's not so shocking that people who live in an environment where they're stigmatized for being who they are turn to desperate measures because they want to be accepted. Yeah, you can argue that they should have gotten a more diverse perspective and known better, but the social pressures that lead people to enroll in programs like this are pretty intense.

I understand, but it's still a bit shocking. I grew up in an environment that hated gay people a great deal, and while I wished I wasn't gay for a long time, I always new it wasn't something I could ever change.
 

Escape Goat

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I don't understand. Why wouldn't being blindfolded while people around you dribble basketballs and call you gay slurs cure you of your sinfulness? I'm not disputing the article, and my best friend is gay, but I just don't understand how it wouldn't work...

If that were true public high school would have cured all the gays.


nd undergoing mock locker-room scenarios.

maccuser, would you help me stage a mock locker room scenario? You know for my gay cure and stuff
 

water_wendi

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Radical behavior modification like that is possible but the amount of attention needed for complete brainwashing is considerable.
 

Timedog

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Do you guys think god might be gay? I don't see any female deities up there in the clouds, yet he had a son? Maybe god is a hermaphrodite (who identifies with the male gender) and he stuck his dick into his own vagina and 9 months later Jesus got splooged out of his asshole.

I dunno, I just have a feeling that god is either gay or a hermaphrodite.
 

Replicant

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Well, there goes my hope for turning people gay.
 
Forgive me but some of those things they had to do sound like some sort of kinky porn.
Exposure therapy can work for things like OCD by making you confront your fears and anxiety and learning to deal with it. It seems like they are trying to follow similar logic with homosexuality without even giving the idea 2 seconds of thought.

Do they really think that having gay guys look at and hug other naked gay guys is going to make them less gay? By that logic straight guys who look at lots of porn should be turning gay in droves. I know science is evil to these types of people but goddamn.
 

ronito

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Exposure therapy can work for things like OCD by making you confront your fears and anxiety and learning to deal with it. It seems like they are trying to follow similar logic with homosexuality without even giving the idea 2 seconds of thought.

Do they really think that having gay guys look at and hug other naked gay guys is going to make them less gay? By that logic straight guys who look at lots of porn should be turning gay in droves. I know science is evil to these types of people but goddamn.

Maybe the providers are gay too and are like "I can't believe we made them do that! God I'm so hard right now."
 

Empty

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not really, just need to pray harder

but seriously these places are really nasty, exploiting the vulnerable for profit and fucking people up. the quotes in that article about the mental conditioning they did to mess with people's insecurities and turn them against their parents are so sad. hope the lawsuit takes this one down.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
With the limits of current technology, the best we can probably hope for is converting gay people into bisexuals. With more funding, we may be able to make that final push.
 
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