SHOCKING NEWS: Tweets About Prophet Muhammad Spark Saudi Death Threats

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Loser slave of the system :(
UPDATE5: According to twitter user @FadiahNadwa, Hamza is now being deported to Saudi Arabia.

UPDATE4: Nope. Interpol sources confirm Hamza has been apprehended by Malaysian authorities.

UPDATE3: Some good news. Turns out the newspaper reports of Hamza's apprehension were false. He's still out there somewhere and locals are thirsting for blood. A liberal Saudi blogger with sources close to Hamza confirms that he's been targeted for a while as some sort of attempt by the ultra-conservatives to make an example out of a list of people on Twitter (some were even told they were being watched).

UPDATE2: Tweets deemed offensive can be found here. Thanks to Exclamation-One.

UPDATE: A Saudi newspaper reports that Malaysian authorities have apprehended Kashghari and are now handing him over to Saudi authorities.

Disgusting... In case some of you were still wondering why I want out of this country...

I would recommend reading the entire article here but I'll still bold for the lazies.

WSJ said:
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia—A 23-year-old Saudi columnist fled the country on Wednesday night, his associates said, after tweets on the human nature of the Prophet Muhammad touched off a campaign in which prominent clerics and thousands of their followers used Twitter, YouTube, email and fax to demand the man's execution.

The campaign against the writer, Hamza Kashgari, stunned many Saudis with the speed, number, and intensity of messages calling for his death.

"Your duty is to defend our religion against those atheists and not let it pass by with no punishment—you must write in the papers, in the Internet, and write the government, and not be silenced," cleric Nasser al-Omar urged the public in a video posted on YouTube.

Mr. Omar appeared in the video shuddering with sobs in outrage at what he said was Mr. Kashgari's insult to the Prophet Muhammad.

One tweet offered to give 10,000 riyals ($2,666) to Mr. Kashgari's killer. Another posted an image of Mr. Kashgari's house taken off Google Earth. "Dead man walking!" another jeered.

The furor, kicked off by Mr. Kashgari's tweets over the weekend, sparked 30,000 tweets in one 24-hour period, according to a Saudi blogger who cited an Arabic Twitter tracker.

Saudi newspapers reported King Abdullah had ordered the arrest of Mr. Kashgari and an investigation for possible blasphemy, though the reports couldn't be confirmed. The Saudi information minister said via Twitter that Mr. Kashgari would be banned from writing for newspapers or magazines.

Government officials didn't respond to requests to comment on Mr. Kashgari's case or whereabouts.

Some Saudis saw the campaign as a show of strength by the country's religious conservatives, who have sustained perceived rebuffs recently, including King Abdullah's appointment of a more moderate head of the country's religious police and a government push to get women into jobs.

"The most serious thing about this was their ability to organize," said Abdullah Hamadaddin, another analyst, based in the coastal city of Jeddah. "You're talking about two days, and they mobilized thousands of people."

Others viewed the fatwa-by-Twitter as a sign of more deeply ingrained divisions in the conservative kingdom.

"It's going crazy, this level of intolerance. I think it has reached a disease-level in Saudi Arabia,'' said political commentator Jamal Khashoggi, one of many who used argument and Quranic verses to appeal for forgiveness for Mr. Kashgari during the Twitter campaign. "It is a culture of hate."

The uproar began around late Saturday, the birth date of the Prophet Muhammad. Mr. Kashgari—who was raised in a religiously conservative household—pondered in a series of tweets how he would act if he met the prophet "man-to-man."

Mr. Kashgari had been a columnist for the Jeddah-based al-Bilad daily. He had drawn the attention of Saudi conservatives before, when he appeared—in shorts, rather than robes worn by most Saudi men here—in photographs of a hotel convention attended by women with their hair uncovered.

Readers reacted to Mr. Kashgari's tweets, declaring he had cursed the prophet. Some obtained fatwas—essentially, a cleric's religious judgment on a question posed to him—and posted them on Twitter.

Is cursing the prophet "punishable by death?" one such post asked.

"Yes,'' a cleric answered, "Even if he repents and retracts."


At least one popular cleric tried to stem the rising anger. "I see a man at the beginning of his life and he has a slip and I ask Allah to forgive him for it, and help him stay on the right path," read a tweet attributed to cleric Salman al-Odah.

By Monday morning, Mr. Kashgari had deleted his controversial tweets, apologized and appealed for forgiveness, before going offline.

Messrs. Khashoggi, Hamidaddin and other tweeters who appealed for calm and forgiveness for Mr. Kashgari said they received tweeted warnings that their writing was being watched.

Saudi newspapers reported receiving numerous emails and online postings demanding punishment for Mr. Kashgari.

Saudi Arabia has a low user rate for Twitter—less than 1% of the country's 27 million Saudis and expatriates as of early 2011, according to the Dubai School of Government.

Clerics dominate the list of most-followed tweeters in the kingdom. Religious conservatives in the past have responded suspiciously to new media, only to learn to harness it effectively to draw followers and spread their messages, via chat-rooms, YouTube and other means.

Grand Mufti Abdul-Aziz al-Sheikh last month urged Muslims to avoid Twitter, calling it "full of lies."

Saudi Arabia's royal family takes its role as steward of the birthplace of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam with extreme gravity.

This month, King Abdullah pardoned a Saudi man, after a long prison sentence, who had been convicted of slandering the prophet and sentenced to death.

An Australian man convicted of committing blasphemy while visiting Saudi Arabia was released from prison last month after being lashed 75 times.
 
Is there any other religion that is consistently shown to cause a shitstorm about a key figure being drawn/animated/ or written about negatively even for humor, more than Islam?

I seriously want to know.
 
Unless GAF snitches exist in Saudi, I'll probably be fine for the time being. I appreciate the concern guys.
 
Is there any other religion that is consistently shown to cause a shitstorm about a key figure being drawn/animated/ or written about negatively even for humor, more than Islam?

I seriously want to know.
I don't think so.
 
Can people make jokes about Muhammad like they do about Jesus or Moses? I don't think I would want to live in a place where people couldn't see the funny/humor in their own culture.
 
Is there any other religion that is consistently shown to cause a shitstorm about a key figure being drawn/animated/ or written about negatively even for humor, more than Islam?

I seriously want to know.
Let me rephrase the question for you? Is any other key religious figure targetted as much?

Unless GAF snitches exist in Saudi, I'll probably be fine for the time being. I appreciate the concern guys.
Where do you live?

Trust me I'm trying! It's not easy when I've got debt piled on me. I'm hoping my music career gets me out of this country someday soon. Nothing motivates me more than stories like this.
Music career? In Saudi arabia? It just got more depressing.
 
Let me rephrase the question for you? Is any other key religious figure targetted as much?

Jesus get's drawn and put in jokes all the time. Chill out bro.

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Let me rephrase the question for you? Is any other key religious figure targetted as much?


Where do you live?
Well, Christ, of course.

The fucked up thing about this is that I don't think the guy meant to insult Muhammad in anyway.
 
Well, Christ, of course.

The fucked up thing about this is that I don't think the guy meant to insult Muhammad in anyway.

I'll get shit for this, but this just solidifies my belief that a large number of Muslims elevate Muhammad to basically being equal to their God. He's just a man, stop taking it so seriously.
 
That is nothing something new, it has been going on for ages. I guess Christians are some what have accustomed to it. Still some derogatory acts (like the pissing) does get noticed, isnt it? Now lets just replace Prophet Muhammad with say .. Ram, Shiva, Hanuman (Hinduism) and other religions that havent yet been targetted and pretty sure loonies in those religion will also come out for blood.
 
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Come at me

What the guy tweeted doesn't seem bad at all. This is a complete overreaction and I hope nothing bad happens to the guy. Seriously, countries shouldn't be run by any sort of religion.
 
That is nothing something new, it has been going on for ages. Now lets just replace Prophet Muhammad with say .. Ram, Shiva, Hanuman (Hinduism) and other religions. Pretty sure loonies in that religion will also come out for blood.
That's not a fir comparison. Christ gets put in stuff all the time, and I rarely hear anyone call for blood.
 
Where do you live?


Music career? In Saudi arabia? It just got more depressing.
I live in Saudi lol. And yes, I've experienced difficulties with authorities due to my satanic musical ways. Shit's not easy and it has killed off or silenced so much talent in this country.
 
Oh, fuck off with that religion of peace bullshit. The vast vast majority of muslims are just like everyone else, trying to get by in the world. There are conservative, moderate, and liberal muslims that would never even consider threatening or acting out violence because of their faith. So sod off with the knee jerk attacks.






....pisses me off.


Also, if there isn't a Mohammed tweet account yet, someone needs to go have ten shitloads of fun with it.

I'll get shit for this, but this just solidifies my belief that a large number of Muslims elevate Muhammad to basically being equal to their God. He's just a man, stop taking it so seriously.


Agreed. And he would have hated it, I'm sure. The entire reason he didn't want to be depicted was to prevent himself from becoming a beacon of idolatry. But when you spend generations justifying your religion as the right one by highlighting the differences from other beliefs rather than what you have in common with them, this is the end result.
 
This whole era is just Islam coming out of it's grumpy teenage years. In 50 years time you won't blink an eye at someone saying "Oh my fucking Mohammad!" just like we don't care about "Oh my God!" or "Fucking Christ!"
 
That is nothing something new, it has been going on for ages. I guess Christians are some what have accustomed to it. Still some derogatory acts (like the pissing) does get noticed, isnt it? Now lets just replace Prophet Muhammad with say .. Ram, Shiva, Hanuman (Hinduism) and other religions that havent yet been targetted and pretty sure loonies in those religion will also come out for blood.

If you pissed on a statute of Jesus I would look at you funny. I wouldn't call for your execution. This guy contemplated the HUMANITY of Muhammad, a man, and people want thin dead.

There's your difference.
 
Oh, fuck off with that religion of peace bullshit. The vast vast majority of muslims are just like everyone else, trying to get by in the world. There are conservative, moderate, and liberal muslims that would never even consider threatening or acting out violence because of their faith. So sod off with the knee jerk attacks.






....pisses me off.


Also, if there isn't a Mohammed tweet account yet, someone needs to go have ten shitloads of fun with it.

I think death threats to harmless tweets piss people off more to be honest.
 
I live in Saudi lol. And yes, I've experienced difficulties with authorities due to my satanic musical ways. Shit's not easy and it has killed off or silenced so much talent in this country.
Cant you switch careers? Or say if you are a national - take a big non-interest loan and pay off your debt and leave for good? Or use the loan in some kind of RE business and get returns in a year.

If you pissed on a statute of Jesus I would look at you funny. I wouldn't call for your execution. This guy contemplated the HUMANITY of Muhammad, a man, and people want thin dead.

There's your difference.
You and I are not being discussed here, we're discussing the reaction of the loonies.

You can't be serious.
Already elaborated the question in the above post.

i was going to post just this. also there are tons of pictures of the buddha and deities.
See this:
yeah, but afaik, it's not a sin to represent him in an image or statue.
 
This whole era is just Islam coming out of it's grumpy teenage years. In 50 years time you won't blink an eye at someone saying "Oh my fucking Mohammad!" just like we don't care about "Oh my God!" or "Fucking Christ!"
That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say, and a very generalized way of looking at things.

Cultures in many of these countries were actually pretty lax 50 years ago (you should go see some of the movies Egypt used to produce). Women weren't really covered up, and things were more secular. Then, things just got more and more extreme as oil money flooded into Saudi Arabia. Since then, things have gotten more and more like this.

Based off my experiences of relatives in Iraq, and how Egypt is going, things are getting worse, not better. At best, there may begin to be a dichotomy in the culture, as the small minority of secular youth that are now practically underground begin to stand up a bit more, but if you think Islam will be as lax as mainstream Christianity currently is, then you don't understand the underlying foundation of these religions.
 
I think death threats to harmless tweets piss people off more to be honest.

Is that the yardstick by which we're going to judge an entire religion? By the knee-jerk reactions of fundamentalist whackados?

If I had a big enough audience, I could get death threats just by saying Justin Beiber is gay....

I'm not ignoring an ultraviolent ultra fundamentalist group that holds an uncanny amount of power in Saudi Arabia and other ME nations. I know they exist, but you can't hold an entire religion accountable for the actions of a few anymore than you can all christians for the actions of abortion clinic bombers or the KKK.
 
Cant you switch careers? Or say if you are a national - take a big non-interest loan and pay off your debt and leave for good? Or use the loan in some kind of RE business and get returns in a year.
Music isn't my primary career. I work at an oil company. It's far more complicated when you include family issues and stuff. At the moment it's just not feasible for me to decide to up and leave. I'm on the island.
 
That is nothing something new, it has been going on for ages. I guess Christians are some what have accustomed to it. Still some derogatory acts (like the pissing) does get noticed, isnt it? Now lets just replace Prophet Muhammad with say .. Ram, Shiva, Hanuman (Hinduism) and other religions that havent yet been targetted and pretty sure loonies in those religion will also come out for blood.

That's not really true. Islam has easily the strongest prohibition against idolatry (including depictions of the Prophet Muhammed). I'm reminded of the famous Sufi Mansur al-Hallaj, who was executed after saying "I am the truth"--an apparently blasphemous claim, given that "The Truth" is one of the names given to Allah. Protestants might be iffy about Catholic depictions of saints, and Christians might grumble about Jesus Christ Superstar or whatever, but only Islam has such a strict prohibition against depictions of the Prophet.

This isn't a rebuke against Islam, a religion I'm generally as fine with as any other religion, and I'm not saying it out of ignorance or hatred or racism or xenophobia, but it's absolutely impossible to discuss this subject pretending that Islam (as a whole, in aggregate) does not treat depictions of Muhammed or Allah differently than any other religion (as a whole, in aggregate) treats depictions of their deity.

The particular Socio-cultural factors at play in Saudi Arabia make this an even more severe thing; you have a mixture of a very extreme doctrinaire Islam in the form of Wahhabism, and very strong political-cultural undercurrents in terms of the religious police and the lack of freedom in the country. Saudi Arabia is, on the whole, the least free country in the world. You might find their laws harsh or unfair, but I'd disagree with you; their laws can't be harsh or unfair because they don't have written laws to begin with.
 
Music isn't my primary career. I work at an oil company. It's far more complicated when you include family issues and stuff. At the moment it's just not feasible for me to decide to up and leave. I'm on the island.
Good luck bro, hope you get what you want and soon. ;)
 
Is that the yardstick by which we're going to judge an entire religion? By the knee-jerk reactions of fundamentalist whackados?

If I had a big enough audience, I could get death threats just by saying Justin Beiber is gay....

I'm not ignoring an ultraviolent ultra fundamentalist group that holds an uncanny amount of power in Saudi Arabia and other ME nations. I know they exist, but you can't hold an entire religion accountable for the actions of a few anymore than you can all christians for the actions of abortion clinic bombers or the KKK.
To be fair, abortion clinic bombers and the KKK are a VERY SMALL minority in Christianity. More importantly, they are not viewed favorably by the mainstream, and don't have much power, even in a country that's majority Christian. On the other hand, this guy is getting mainstream condemnation in Saudi Arabia, and will likely get punished for this.
 
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Also:

Some Saudis saw the campaign as a show of strength by the country's religious conservatives, who have sustained perceived rebuffs recently, including King Abdullah's appointment of a more moderate head of the country's religious police and a government push to get women into jobs.

What sort of religion needs a religious police? What does that say about your understanding of faith and conviction when you jail people for not wanting any of it? I mean, where is the value in being counted as a member of a religious group if your affiliation with that group is not 100% voluntary? Or is it just so that Muslims can claim their religion as the fastest growing religion in the world, which is something you hear so often nowadays, like it's some call to authority?
 
That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say, and a very generalized way of looking at things.

Cultures in many of these countries were actually pretty lax 50 years ago (you should go see some of the movies Egypt used to produce). Women weren't really covered up, and things were more secular. Then, things just got more and more extreme as oil money flooded into Saudi Arabia. Since then, things have gotten more and more like this.

Based off my experiences of relatives in Iraq, and how Egypt is going, things are getting worse, not better. At best, there may begin to be a dichotomy in the culture, as the small minority of secular youth that are now practically underground begin to stand up a bit more, but if you think Islam will be as lax as mainstream Christianity currently is, then you don't understand the underlying foundation of these religions.

This. Religion is too deeply rooted in the culture for it to be as easy as that.
 
...Yea, fuck Saudi Arabia.

And, fuck clerics and their followers.


I am trying to find what exactly he tweeted so I can be appalled some more at the overreaction.

I really wonder, if Arabian Peninsula/Persian Gulf was not dirt rich with oil reserves, how different would the region be?

Billions propping up this theocratic regime.
 
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