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[DJ Sl4m]

Yea, I said it, sometimes Firefox isn't perfect, and yes we all know it.

Although 99% of the sites I visit load just fine, there are some that simply have to be loaded with IE or other browsers.
Here are some, if anyone knows which plugins we need to load it properly, PLEASE inform us.

1. http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp
(it won't scan in firefox)

2. www.pogo.com
(it loads fine, but doesn't work correctly, like in IE)

3. My bank's website, which I'll have to email them about.

What else has anyone/everyone found ?

Any recomended plugins for the websites or just Firefox bugs ?

 

[Hitokage]

Firefox/Gecko renders with the W3C HTML standards in mind, and as a result may have trouble with pages written specifically for IE and all its quirks.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

I've emailed trend micro media about which plugin s I could download and install for Firefox, but I haven't received a reply yet.

I swear I thought I installed every plug in needed and others not needed for this site, flash, shockwave, java etc etc

 

[Hitokage]

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/install.html

Netscape 6+ are just Mozilla derivatives, and Firefox is also, so it's worth a try.

 

[Charles]

Windows update doesn't work, for obvious reasons

 

[Particle Physicist]

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/install.html

Netscape 6+ are just Mozilla derivatives, and Firefox is also, so it's worth a try.

ive tried that and it doesnt work. maybe im doing it wrong ?

 

[demon]

my university email account (wiscmail.wisc.edu) all of a sudden won't let me compose emails (which requires bringing up a new window), while IE still does.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Yea, I said it, sometimes Firefox isn't perfect, and yes we all know it.

Although 99% of the sites I visit load just fine, there are some that simply have to be loaded with IE or other browsers.
Here are some, if anyone knows which plugins we need to load it properly, PLEASE inform us.

1. http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp
(it won't scan in firefox)

Firefox does not use activeX.

You can try this. http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm

 

[Hitokage]

quad: Ah ok, I didn't know whether it actually worked or not. I took a quick look and found that page.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Never mind that is a Java one.

Use this link, works fine.

http://uk.trendmicro-europe.com/enterprise/products/housecall_launch.php

You need to accept the security certificate.

 

[Hitokage]

BTW, ActiveX = gaping security hole.

 

[teh_pwn]

Websites that don't work for IE:

1. Windows Update: The fucker keeps trying to install SP2.
2. Any site with popups.

Firefox wins.

 

[fennec fox]

I can't stay logged into Paypal with FF. Any idears?

 

[WasabiKing]

Also, .asp sites, mainly because FireFox actually looks at file types set by the server. Apache sets .asp pages as a default to text, which Hitokage actually discovered for me on a whim. I got the IT guy to change .asp to HTML, and I can use Firefox to navigate our project management system.

Sometimes, FF will not render tables as well as IE can. Sometimes, there is extra padding, but you can code it with a workaround if necessary.

 

[Sullichin]

Pogo works fine in Firefox.

 

[madara]

spawn.com forums locked up if you browse them.

 

[maharg]

Also, .asp sites, mainly because FireFox actually looks at file types set by the server. Apache sets .asp pages as a default to text, which Hitokage actually discovered for me on a whim. I got the IT guy to change .asp to HTML, and I can use Firefox to navigate our project management system.

Er, this doesn't make much sense. Apache doesn't serve .asp files. Or at least, it doesn't run them. If you have an html file (with no ASP in it) that's named .asp that's not really correct.

ASP is a server-side language, like php but specifically for windows.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Never mind that is a Java one.

Use this link, works fine.

http://uk.trendmicro-europe.com/enterprise/products/housecall_launch.php

You need to accept the security certificate.

Woooooooooohoooooooooo

 

[Hitokage]

Er, this doesn't make much sense. Apache doesn't serve .asp files. Or at least, it doesn't run them. If you have an html file (with no ASP in it) that's named .asp that's not really correct.

ASP is a server-side language, like php but specifically for windows.

As you said, it's server side, so the browser only gets fed the OUTPUT.

 

[Mr Gump]

www.packetnews.com
I find that clicking on the links as a result of a search doesnt copy into mIRC like it does in IE.

 

[maharg]

As you said, it's server side, so the browser only gets fed the OUTPUT.

It's the apache part that's confusing me ;P

IIS definitely does set the correct Content-Type header. At least any installation I've ever used does.

 

[Ecrofirt]

www.packetnews.com
I find that clicking on the links as a result of a search doesnt copy into mIRC like it does in IE.

none of the IRC search sites work. They'be got some code to copy stuff to your clipboard, and it doesn't work in firefox.

 

[geogaddi]

some sites have been designed-html-coded using old Frontpage code like

style="border-collapse: collapse"


Sites using those types of code tend to look disoriented on Firefox

 

[MIMIC]

www.packetnews.com
I find that clicking on the links as a result of a search doesnt copy into mIRC like it does in IE.

-1 FireFox.

 

[Nikashi]

It's not so much broken, but a lot of the advanced features on the Sell Your Item form on eBay don't work on Firefox. You still get the 'default' ways to choose category/add pictures/etc, you just can't use any of the enhanced services.

 

[BTMash]

ATI.com does not work properly with Firefox. Their menus act in a weird manner.

 

[Scrow]

it's not about Firefox not rendering sites properly, it's about sites not being coded properly.

 

[God's Hand]

That's not true. IE just happens to have more features that aren't standards, so people use them. Standards are a joke.

 

[Myllz]

What bank site? Mine (HSBC) does the same thing, and I found out that it's set up to run under IE or Netscape only.

 

[Anthropic]

Standards are a joke.

Standards are only a joke if you don't care about having choices about what software you use. Do you realize the massive undertaking that it would take to emulate every one of IE's idiosynchricies and bugs? The whole point of standards is that everyone's browser should (roughly) behave the same no matter who built it, thus avoiding the stupid problem of webmasters who don't care about the fact that their users have free will.

Of course, now that one in ten users are using an alternative browser, webmasters have to get their heads out of the sand about this.

 

[God's Hand]

So how should have Microsoft gone about getting their ideas standardized? There are great features in IE that are not included in any other browser... Hell, IE even supports CSS3 features that Firefox doesn't. So why should Microsoft standardize something they spent R&D on so that someone else can use? Standards stifle creativity and result in 0 innovation. That's why the browser "war" is so boring right now. Firefox isn't doing anything interesting. IE hasn't been updated in years. The internet could be a much more interactive and interesting place.

Also, IE does adhere to strict standards as long as you doctype your page. Most people don't use doctypes. From my experience, no browser is standards compliant. There's so many quirks and bug. Firefox is an easier browser to use, though. It's great for newbs.

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's not true. IE just happens to have more features that aren't standards, so people use them. Standards are a joke.

Fine, we keep DirectX... you go back to the DOS days... let's see which proposition most users and developers like he most .

 

[Panajev2001a]

So why should Microsoft standardize something they spent R&D on so that someone else can use? Standards stifle creativity and result in 0 innovation.

You are out of your mind.

IE hasn't been updated in years.

Monopoly .

 

[Manabanana]

Anyone have problems with quicktime videos getting really choppy after they've finished loading in FF? Reloading after they're finished downloading fixes the problem, but it's still a pain.

 

[Hitokage]

So how should have Microsoft gone about getting their ideas standardized? There are great features in IE that are not included in any other browser... Hell, IE even supports CSS3 features that Firefox doesn't. So why should Microsoft standardize something they spent R&D on so that someone else can use? Standards stifle creativity and result in 0 innovation. That's why the browser "war" is so boring right now. Firefox isn't doing anything interesting. IE hasn't been updated in years. The internet could be a much more interactive and interesting place.

Also, IE does adhere to strict standards as long as you doctype your page. Most people don't use doctypes. From my experience, no browser is standards compliant. There's so many quirks and bug. Firefox is an easier browser to use, though. It's great for newbs.

Jesus fucking christ, where do I begin...

 

[Anthropic]

Oh yeah, nothing interesting going on with Firefox. You don't know much about Firefox, do you?...How it works on multiple platforms...How all of those extentions work...

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oh yeah, nothing interesting going on with Firefox. You don't know much about Firefox, do you?...How it works on multiple platforms...How all of those extentions work...

Very nice site, however some games like the Pac-man clone give me input issues... it thinks I want to type in the address bar of the browser.

 

[Scrow]

That's not true. IE just happens to have more features that aren't standards, so people use them. Standards are a joke.

my point remains... sites not coded correctly.

 

[maharg]

THere is a difference between an extension and broken behaviour. And MS is, oddly enough, quite heavily involved in w3c standardization processes (among others).

Personally I tend to feel pretty ambivalent about this issue. On one hand, IE is pretty broken in a lot of ways. On the other hand, I think the standards themselves (especially in the area of CSS) are a mess and often counterintuitive. I dare say a number of the things IE does 'wrong' are actually the more intuitive way, and that's why -- moreso than IE's presense in the market -- they are done wrong so damn often.

Basically, with the introduction of CSS, DOM, and ECMAScript, web browser implementation became several orders of magnitude more complex, and unclear intentions, gaps in the explanation in the standard documents, and leaving 500 different ways to do any one thing, are a big part of why things are such a huge mess now.

 

[gblues]

Everything wrong with IE can be summed up in 2 words:

box model.

CSS3? IE doesn't properly implement CSS1/2, so who gives a flying fuck about CSS3?

Nathan

 

[Afro Thunder]

http://launch.yahoo.com/launchcast/stations/
Yes, choose a station. You´ll don´t go too far.

 

[Kon Tiki]

http://launch.yahoo.com/launchcast/stations/
Yes, choose a station. You´ll don´t go too far.

It is a serverside restriction. You can try User Agent Switcher. Set it to Netscape.

Or you can do it the easy way, use the Launch python script for XBMC.

 

[WasabiKing]

Also, IE does adhere to strict standards as long as you doctype your page. Most people don't use doctypes. From my experience, no browser is standards compliant. There's so many quirks and bug. Firefox is an easier browser to use, though. It's great for newbs.

MS developed its own standards, and websites decided to adopt since it was the majority. But now, there's a challenge to their stake, and now you start to wonder as a designer, how much more extra code you want to start adding to your website?

And ActiveX is the reason why many anti-Spyware software companies rake in the dough.

 

[Nerevar]

ASP is a server-side language, like php but specifically for windows.

more specifically, for IIS. I don't think you can run IIS on a non-windows box though, can you?

 

[Kon Tiki]

Firefox is an easier browser to use, though. It's great for newbs.

You're right. It is great for people who do not want to write 3rd party software to fix all the problems. All they have to do is type about:config.

 

[tedtropy]

www.merisol.com

Hah, sadly enough, the website of the company I work for (IT) is pretty broken in Firefox. Our particular IT department isn't responsible for the site, so I'm not too worried about it.

 

[maharg]

more specifically, for IIS. I don't think you can run IIS on a non-windows box though, can you?

Since it's all COM it'd be pretty trivial to use it from pretty much anything... in Windows. And no, you can't run IIS on a non-windows platform. Well, that's not really true. It's just not at all cheap.