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I met a man a little less than a month ago who's taught me some fascinating stuff about finance, the government, and other little secrets. I'm debating whether or not I should discuss my story at length because of the level of secrecy involved with some of what he's told me about.

So as part of my decision as to whether or not I should go into detail, I'll start by asking a broader question:

What, if anything, do you know about Mid-term notes or debenture trading?
 
What is this? Fucking X-Files? Spill it, loser. BTW, Staminator, when are you going to reveal your earth-changing invention? :lol

Debunture trading -- very risky stuff! Only as good as the person/corp. who wrote it...
 
Ok. So apparently nobody knows anything. Which, given the nature of what I'm discussing, makes complete sense. But I'm going to enlighten all of you.

The man (we'll call him.."Simba") I met is a former business man from Virginia, friend to a famous radio talk show host, and currently an MTN (mid-term note) broker who represents high ranking members of the Federal Reserve, among others. Simba explained the process of selling and trading mid-term notes to me, and how important and suppressed a form of capital generation they are. He got into MTN brokering through a friend who was ex-CIA and put him into the loop, basically a kind of "good ole boys" network. He said he regularly travels to Europe and negotiates MTN trades through various banks (he mentioned Deutche Bank specifially).

He alleged that MTN's account for as much as two thirds of the CIA's budget, as well as a significant portion of military funding (including the Iraq war etc) and other high cost government endeavors. But there is a lot more regarding MTN's and debenture trading that is quite exclusive and shady, and I'll discuss them further, later.

A less secretive tibit Simba discussed was regarding the demonitarization cycle that is occurring in banks across the US (and internationally) whereby banks are collecting and destroying old money and replacing them with new, anti-counterfeit money. He said they've been planning this for quite some time in accordance with the new bills that are surfacing as a means of countering terrorists who operate in counterfeit bills. The new bills have a unique metallic emblem to the right of the portrait that doesn't wash in the ink solvents that counterfeiters use to recylce overpriced fake bills. Many new $20 bills like this are already in circulation (you can check your own for the emblem), and he says that not only will this bust a lot of potential terrorists making large counterfeit deposits at banks, but that it will strengthen the dollar in international markets.

But back to MTN's..the first time me and Simba discussed them in earnest, he told me to go look up what I could find on them and gave me an odd smirk, which I now intepret in hindsight as a sarcastic "good luck". Being the Joe Schmoe that I am, I naturally went to Google and looked up "mid term notes" only to a shitload of websites selling college papers. Being tired as I was, I decided to go to bed and narrow my search later to see what I could find. Well tonight was the first time since then that I decided to resume my search in earnest, given that I saw Simba for the first time in a while on Sunday and was reminded by my lack of any new knowledge to share with him (which prompted another "told ya so" smirk).

So I got specific and Googled "mtn's 'mid-term notes'", specifically putting 'mid-term notes' in quotations. What resulted was one...ONE result:

http://www.detailshere.com/smallinvestortrading.htm.

Now I don't know the first thing about the website or the article, but from what I was able to gather from going to the homepage, it seems as though the site is some sort of strange Christian page that encompasses everything from "Planet X" to the Bible to illuminati and everything in between. Kind of like a Christian quacks Coast-to-Coast AM website or something of that nature. It seems odd, as does the first half of the link, but I can tell you that based on what Simba told me, much of what the article contains is extremely accurate and in complete concordance with his description of MTN trading.

In the interest of not repeating myself (I would say brevity but this is really going to be long), I'm going to post the article and bold what I can directly corroborate from information given to me about debenture trading by Simba himself. I'm starting with the last half of the link first, because it seems to be the more legitimate, reality-based segment of the article and doesn't deal with any of the illuminati weirdness (none of which was alluded to by Simba in any way) that the first part is peppered with. There are some parts of the first half of the article which do match with Simba's description however, and I will highlight them accordingly.

Regardless of what the article says, I found it fascinating that I had never heard of such an enterprise and that so little can be found on the subject. I felt compelled to discuss it because it seemed like such a secretive, exclusionary affair, but I hope I haven't compromised his trust in talking about it on such a public forum. But given that he spoke so candidly with me about it (we had prior only done your average chit-chat and some political discussion..he actually encouraged me to get a poli-sci degree and head to Washington) I figure that it couldn't be so hush-hush an operation that his job could be in danger. But after reading the website link, I'm beginning to wonder. I'm hoping to see him again soon and confront him with my newfound tidbit of info.
 
This is probably easier to read through the link itself, but this way I can bold that which I can actually confirm based on what Simba and I discussed. The rest is open to interpretation.


Second Half

The following information comes from a 7 page article sent out by

> the "O---- Recovery Group" and was sent out by Gordon on odpositive

> in early February. I personally LACK any contact with this group. I

> also LACK any knowledge of what this group says about our funding.

>

> I am including this info because it saves me writing about the

> bank debenture trading myself. I'm including only the beginning of

> the article which is relevant to the points I make above. From my

> own research I have slightly different details, however, the

> information below does describe fairly well how these trades operate.

> ~~ Dove

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> LOW RISK CAPITAL ACCUMULATION by BANK DEBENTURE TRADING

>

> The trading in Bank Debenture Instruments is a multi-trillion

> dollar industry worldwide. Top world banks (Money Center Banks) are

> authorized to issue blocks of debt instruments like Bank Purchase

> Orders (BPO's). Promissory Bank Notes or Mid - Term Notes (MTN's).

> Zero Coupon Bonds (Zero's), Documentary Letters of Credit (DLC's).

> Stand by Letters of Credit (SLC's) , or Bank Debenture Instruments

> (BDI's) under International Chamber of Commerce guidelines (ICC 400

> & 500).

>

> The prices of these instruments are quoted as a percentage of the

> face amount of the instrument, with the initial market price being

> established when first issued. Thereafter, as they are resold to

> other banks, they are sold at escalating higher prices, thus

> realizing a profit on each transaction, which can take as little as

> one day to complete.


>

> As these debt instruments are bought and sold within the banking

> community, the trading cycles generally move from the higher level

> banks to the lower level (smaller) banks. Often they move through as

> many as seven or eight trading cycles, until they eventually are sold

> to an already contracted retail customer or "Exit Buyer" such as a

> pension fund, trust fund, foundation, insurance company, security

> dealer etc., that is seeking a conservative, reasonable yield

> investment that is suitable for 8 figure amounts.


>

> By the time the bank debentures ultimately reach the "retail" or

> secondary market level, they are of course selling at substantially

> higher prices than when originally issued. For example, while the

> original issuing bank might sell a "MTM" at 80% of it's face value,

> by the time it finally reaches the "retail exit" buyer it can sell

> for 91% to 93% of it's face value.
Since these transactions are

> intended for large financial institutions they are denominated in

> face amounts commonly ranging from US $10 million.


>

> THE KEY TO SAFETY AND PROFITS

>

> The key to successful trading in Bank Instruments are in having

> the contacts, initial cash resources, and wherewithal to purchase

> them at the maximum discount, while also having the necessary

> resources and contacts to sell the Instruments in the higher priced

> secondary markets. The real secret of successful participation lies

> not in knowing the how, why, and wherefore of these transactions, but

> far more importantly; in knowing and developing a strong working

> relationship with the "Insiders" the Principal's provider.
Bankers,

> Lawyers, Brokers, and other specialized professionals who can combine

> their skills and connections to turn these resources into lawful,

> secure, and responsible programs with the maximum potential for safe

> gain.

>

> Page 1 of 7

>

> QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

> IF THIS IS SUCH A GOOD INVESTMENT,

> WHY HAVE WE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT?

>

> The Internally trading of bank debentures is a privileged and

> highly lucrative profit source for participating banks, and as a

> result, these opportunities are not made known to the public (bank

> customers). It would be difficult, at best, to entice clients to

> purchase Certificates of Deposit, yielding 2.5% to 6%, if they were

> aware that other, equally secure investment accounts yielded more

> than ten times higher rates of return. The banks and traders always

> employ the strictest non-disclosure and non-circumvention clauses in

> trading contracts to ensure the confidentiality of the transaction.

> The contracts usually contain explicit language forbidding the

> contracted parties to disclose any aspect of the transaction for a

> period of five years, as a result, it is difficult to locate

> experienced individuals who are knowledgeable and willing to candidly

> discuss these opportunities and the high profitability associated

> with them, since in so doing, they would severely jeopardize their

> opportunity to participate in further transactions.

>

> There are no smoke and mirrors involved; all of the trading

> programs are conducted under the specific guidelines set up by the

> International Chamber of Commerce (I,C,C,); generally known as I.C.C.

> 500 & 600. The I.C.C.'s regulatory body for the World's Great Money

> Center Banks is based in Paris, France. It has existed for more than

> 100 years, and exert strict control on world banking procedures.

>

> The U.S. Federal Reserve, is a very important member, but unlike

> most other central banks, operates independently of the I.C.C. and as

> a result, the vast majority of U.S. citizens have not been made aware

> of the money making opportunities already available for forty - five

> years to qualified European Investors through I.C.C. affiliated

> banks. A few major U.S. banks do participate from within their

> banking operations based in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands, but

> they do not normally make their programs available to Americans

> living in the USA and the chances are very great that your local bank

> manager has absolutely no knowledge of them and many even deny their

> existence.

>

> HOW ARE THE INVESTOR'S FUNDS PROTECTED?

>

> As the funds are deposited into a transaction, they are secured

> by a Bank Guarantee, issued by a Top Money center Bank until the

> completion of the transaction and return of the proceeds to the

> investor. This feature makes the investment as secure as buying a CD

> in a major world bank, at least for the investor with sufficient

> funds to get his own contract. The return on the investment is

> normally not guaranteed by the bank, except for a small portion (up

> to 12% per year). Oftentimes the return is guaranteed by the trader,

> who has to perform according to the contract to stay in business.

>

> Page 2 of 7

>

> WHAT IS A BANK GUARANTEE?

>

> A Bank Guarantee is a bank debenture instrument (Or Certificate

> of Deposit), usually issued by a Top Money Center Bank. Bank

> Guarantees in the form of Bank Debentures are not available to the

> general public. They are used to secure the safekeeping of clients

> funds while they are committed to a forfaiting (trading) transaction.

>

> There has been a lot of interest expressed by persons seeking to

> learn more about risk free capital accumulation by participating in

> Forfaiting (Trading) Programs. Essentially we are discussing a Money

> Center Bank Instrument or Bank Debenture Purchase and Resale at a

> beneficially lower price and then sold in the money markets at a

> higher price.

>

> Before our traders commit to any transactions, they always

> ensure that they have a guaranteed Exit Sale,
(another party willing

> to purchase the bank debentures at an agreed to higher price at the

> conclusion of a number of trading cycles). If no end customer is

> available before the transaction commences, then no trade will take

> place, as the trader must always protect his positions. This is of

> course, vital for the maintaining of the profitability of the

> program.

>

> CAN I PARTICIPATE THROUGH MY U.S. BANK OR BROKERAGE FIRM?

>

> There is no advantage to the U.S. Federal Reserve in making

> Forfaiting transactions available in the United States. Under the

> Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, U.S. Banks and Brokerage Houses are

> prohibited by law from offering such programs in the domestic

> markets. In addition, as a result of the 1929 collapse, American

> bankers are severely inhibited by various regulatory procedures and

> other requirements which make it impossible for them to offer these

> transactions to their U.S. Clients.
Chances are that your attorney,

> banker and broker have absolutely no knowledge of these programs

> since they are only conducted by top Money Center Banks located in

> Western Europe.

>

> CAN I GO DIRECTLY TO A EUROPEAN BANK TO PARTICIPATE?

>

> This type of trading contracts is not offered as over-the-counter

> transactions. Forfaiting (Trading) transactions are highly

> privileged "insider" opportunities which are only made available to

> those who have qualified for participation by first completing all of

> the necessary documents, including bank certified proof of funds, and

> have followed the established protocol before they are allowed to

> proceed. Any attempt to circumvent the established procedures

> results in automatic blacklisting of the offending party, by the

> applicable Provider, and possible penalties with no possibility of

> further participation in other programs.

First Half

Small Investor Trading Programs

Some of the facts surrounding the reasons government and banking interests are keeping trading programs out of the reach of the peons.

I am not sure what program this letter references, but the content is "need to know " information regarding how citizens are being kept in the dark today.

Subject: WHY This has Taken So Long

Hello Dear Friends,

Over the months, I when I have replied to your email questions to

> me, I have written in greater detail to some of you. I've found that

> providing certain information has helped lenders to understand the

> true dimensions of our funding more clearly. This update is Part I

> of providing information meant to aid all lenders in understanding

> the "playing field" on which we find ourselves. Understanding the

> true nature of this "playing field", which is International Banking

> and Trading, is important for us in the next step of managing our

> great financial abundance.

>

> Below is information many of you have already seen. However, I am

> including it here because I want you to read it with this is mind:

> The most powerful bankers and politicians have cooperated in keeping

> the HUGE amounts of financial abundance, generated by the bank

> debenture trades, FROM BEING AVAILABLE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.

This has been very much ON PURPOSE.

> By making these trades available ONLY to the "already wealthy",

> the bankers and politicians have continued their efforts to keep most

> people in a mode of living paycheck to paycheck. When people are

> living paycheck to paycheck, they lack the time and money to take

> action to make changes that they feel would benefit the world. Since

> the institution of banking began centuries ago, there has always been

> an effort to FAVOR THE WEALTHY so that the "already wealthy" can

> MAINTAIN their POWER BASE.

>

> THIS is WHY it has taken SO LONG to get OUR FUNDING DONE: there

> has been active collusion to keep the average person in our program

> from receiving this great wealth.

>

> I have researched these trades with two people in the U.S. who

> have been involved in doing these large, $100 Million offshore trades

> for over 15 years. These trades began after World War I with the

> beneficial purpose of rebuilding the countries where destruction

> occurred during the war.
What began as a somewhat benevolent

> activity, has been warped by certain people to aid them in gaining

> greater wealth and power for the FEW, rather than benefiting the many.

>

> I have learned that our program, and the others involving small

> lenders, have been handled very differently from the normal trades.

> Most trades last from one week to 40 weeks and then pay out in full.

> A few have lasted five years, I'm told. Generally, the "principals"

> (lenders) in these trades put in a minimum of $10 Million each.


> These trades are happening every day and pay out every day; wealthy

> lenders and organizations in the U.S. do these trades every day. The

> BIG LIE, claiming these trades are non-existent, is part of keeping

> average people struggling financially.

>

> If you believe these LIES - spread by federal government - then

> they have succeeded in their job to hold you down. I understand some

> lenders believed the erroneous information in the FBI agent's

> testimony at the IL court case where the agent stated that these

> programs are non-existent. While the agent may actually believe this

> himself, he is just a victim of the LIES of the federal government.

>

> In fact, there is a division of the FBI which receives weekly

> reports from the traders/program administrators of ALL the trades

> involving Americans. I have been told by two of my three sources,

> who actually make their livings doing these trades, that they are

> required to report weekly to the FBI, the central banking system, the

> federal government Department which prints our currency, and a small

> group who are part of a Congressional committee. Folks, the

> government has been very much a party to collusion to keep this way

> of gaining great financial abundance SECRET from the average person.

>

> I know my sources are telling the truth because they are friends

> who have proven themselves over time. And, they LACK any motivation

> to lie to me. However, the government has been lying to the American

> people since the 1933 Glass Steagal Act; the government has plenty of

> motivation to lie and is headed by politicans who participate in

> these trades every day, but want the average person to remain

> financially disempowered.

>

> About twenty years ago, however, a group of powerful people in

> the world banking industry decided that this had to change. They

> were younger members of the Illuminati families in banking,

> government, and other powerful positions. They could see that their

> families' plans -- to increase the wealth of the FEW and to

> constantly DECREASE the financial abundance of the many -- would have

> dire consequences in the 21st century. These brave renegade

> visionaries, going against their families, developed and launched

> early programs, such as Farm Claims, which are meant to benefit the

> AVERAGE person with significant wealth. Our program is one of these

> programs meant to bring significant wealth to the average person.

>

> To understand how this works, you need to know that EACH of the

> trades done must have a "humanitarian" project outlined in a proposal

> sent to the IMF before the trade is begun. The IMF investigates the

> principals, approves the project, and then the trade can begin.


>

> Some of these wealthy visionaries are the people who put up the

> original MILLIONS needed to get our big program started in the $100

> Million trades. These large lenders directed the program

> administrator to get thousands of small lenders into the program --

> this was their "Humanitarian" purpose. In the case of OUR program,

> WE lenders are the "Humanitarian Project". Initially, another person

> was the original program administrator. However, later CH was made

> program administrator and it was when MK joined and brought large

> numbers of lenders into the program, that the objective of having

> many many thousands of lenders in our big program was finally

> achieved.

>

> These wealthy visionaries made US the Humanitarian Project because

> it is believed that WE will take these great sums of money we are

> receiving and use these funds to IMPROVE the world. It is believed,

> that because we LACK a self-interest in oil wells and oil companies,

> we will TAKE ACTION to bring the NEW, environmentally beneficial

> energy technologies into existence. It is believed that because we

> LACK a self-interest in the profits of big medical institutions and

> drug companies, we will TAKE ACTION to bring the wonderful, health

> therapies and technologies into public availability. Because we LACK

> large stock holdings in electrical utilities companies, we will TAKE

> ACTION to bring the new energy technologies to everyone and free

> everyone from the profiteers of the energy industry.

>

> I hope you are beginning to realize WHY this has taken SO long.

> The brave renegades of the Illuminati families have risked their

> lives and worked hard to keep our program, and other programs, SAFE

> and ALIVE. They are the ones behind the scenes who have made sure

> that the many attempts to steal our funds have been stopped. They

> are part of the worldwide White Knights who have been working for

> years to bring these programs' funds into the hands of small lenders

> worldwide. There has been an UNSEEN WAR going on for years, and the

> White Knights are WINNING it now.

>

> After the renegade Illuminati group began these programs for the

> average person's benefit 20 years ago, it was intended that these

> programs would fund just as the other trading programs do. However,

> each time there was an attempt to fund these programs, the attempt

> was undermined by bankers and politicians and the old guard

> Illuminati. This is why there have been rumors of these programs

> funding over the years -- there were many attempts to get funding

> done. Some time ago, the White Knights realized that a more

> comprehensive plan was needed in order to get these programs funded

> to the small lenders AND deal with the issues that have caused

> problems in the past.

>

> Over the years, ONLY the trades with small lenders - average

> people - have been kept from paying out. I'm told that our program

> has been involved in highly SECRET, privately held, "closed trades".

> Finally, after years of effort by our White Knights we are close to

> having our funds in our hands.

>

> In order to truly be ready to MANAGE this GREAT ABUNDANCE, we need

> to realize that many of the "top world bankers" are

> basically "sharks". From my months of researching what is happening

> with our program, I have heard over and over of TOP bankers causing

> delays in our funding process.

>

> When we interact with the large banks ONshore and OFFshore, we

> need to be sure we are fully informed about how to safeguard our

> funds. We need to do some independent research and also pay close

> attention to NEW information I'm told we will be provided about how

> to structure and manage our funds in the best ways. We WILL have to

> work with bankers and probably the ones with whom we interact will

> geniunely want to help us. However, we need to do our own research

> to be sure we make the best decisions, AND, follow EXACTLY all the

> instructions in the Non Disclosure to safeguard our funds.

>

> As you read the information below, be alert to the obvious clues

> of how this great money machine has been kept SECRET from average

> people and available only to the "already wealthy". There has been a

> concerted effort to keep us from receiving our funds by these FEW

> greedy and power-hungry people. However, the White Knights are

> winning the war. AND, OUR perseverance and bird-dogging the progress

> of our program HAS helped to let the authorities know that we are

> aware of the reality of our program and it's huge financial

> abundance. We have helped to make sure this funding occurs by our

> persistance.

>

> One last thing, the REASON there have been "sprinklings" of

> deliveries all these months, I'm told, is to get enough deliveries

> done to lenders in our program so that there are thousands of people

> who KNOW and have EVIDENCE that our program IS REAL. This is to stop

> the crooked politicians and bankers from trying to steal our funds

> and claim that our program was non-existant. By having thousands of

> lenders who have already been to the banks and have seen the amounts

> they are receiving, who have copies of their instructions and Non

> Disclosures, and have PROOF that funding IS happening -- attempts to

> try to make our funds disappear have been thwarted.

>

> We are close. Until we have our abundance in our hands, we are

> wisest to make sure we have our basic needs paid for from other

> funds.

>

> Let's continue to AFFIRM and KNOW our great financial abundance

> funds are OURS NOW! Picture yourself with your abundance in your

> hands and how you will use it for your own happiness and to improve

> the world.

>

> Blessings and Love,

> Dove

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
huh, sounds like a pyramid-scheme for the rich... one question though, how the hell do the banks make any money off of this? they sell it off for 75% of its face value, then sombody eventually cashes it back in for full value? doesn't seem to add up...

either way, it's not surprising. the rich will do anything to stay rich. it's what seperates them from us (in their minds)...

edit: perhaps these aren't "cashed in" but are held, like a cd and cashed in at a later date (which i'd imagine is specified)? then the bank gains interest on the money initially paid for it.
 

kumanoki

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Y'know Ned... can I call you Ned? Look, Ned, I don't mean to be an asshole, because I've been known to be one at times, and this time I'm being perfectly serious with you. I'm wearing my serious face. What I'm trying to say in the most non-assholiest of ways is this:

It's impossible for me to take anything you post even remotely seriously because all I hear is the 'Ned Flanders' voice in my head when I read your stuff. My inner voice even has the habit of throwing in a 'hi-diddley-ho' here and there for effect.

It makes everything you type re-goddamn-diddley-diculous.

Your post is actually quite interesting, Ned. :)
 
Cyan said:
Not quite sure what you're getting at, and I couldn't bring myself to wade through that whole article, but reselling notes is quite a common practice among banks. Particularly with mortgage banks, where they might sell a note to another bank so that they can recoup their investment quickly and go lend more money to more people.

Sounds to me like this guy is trying to scam you somehow.

I don't follow. How am I being scammed?
 
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