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Sony board member reshuffle=Blu-ray/HD-DVD unification?

Kleegamefan

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I first heard about this a couple of weeks ago and now some websites have picked up on it:

http://www.burningbits.com/artman/publish/sony-unite-4011.shtml

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=upsell_article&articleID=VR1117920582&categoryID=18&cs=1

From VB online:

HOPE REKINDLED FOR HIGH-DEF TRUCE
Talks for unified format possible
By Paul Sweeting 4/1/2005



APRIL 1 | Signs of a recent thaw between leaders of the rival high-definition hardware camps are rekindling hopes in Hollywood that a single, unified disc standard could still emerge and avert a full-scale format war in the marketplace.

According to sources with knowledge of the situation, recent changes in the senior executive suites of Sony and Toshiba have changed the political dynamic between the companies and led to a softening of the brinksmanship that has kept the industry bitterly divided over choosing a successor to the DVD. Although no formal talks have taken place yet between the companies, studio executives who have followed the situation closely say they are hopeful discussions could get under way by summer.

The new developments come at a critical time for the industry and for the rival camps.

Toshiba announced in January that it will introduce HD DVD players in the U.S. by the fourth quarter of this year, and three studios, Warner Home Video, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Entertainment, said they would begin releasing movies in the format to support the launch.

That would virtually guarantee a format war given the commitment of Sony, Panasonic and other leading hardware makers to the rival Blu-ray Disc format. Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Buena Vista Home Entertainment have said they will release movies in Blu-ray as soon as that hardware reaches market, probably by the second quarter of 2006.

Doubts have recently been raised about HD DVD's fourth-quarter timetable, however. The six member companies of the Advanced Access Content System consortium had expected to complete work on the technical specifications and licensing scheme for the format's copy-protection system by the end of March.

Work has been slower than expected, however, and sources who have followed the progress say it could be well into the summer before final specs are ready.

Without final specs, hardware makers cannot start building machines and replicators cannot start stamping out discs. Unless the copy-protection system is ready in the next couple months, manufacturers will be hard-pressed to get product into the market by Christmas.

Although the prospect of a delay might have made the HD DVD camp more open to talking with its rival, recent comments from a high-ranking Sony executive also have sparked hope in Hollywood.

Speaking to reporters in Japan on March 23, Sony's incoming president Ryoji Chubachi said, "Listening to the voice of the consumers, having two rival formats is disappointing, and we haven't totally given up on the possibility of integration or compromise," according to the IDG News Service.

Chubachi's pending promotion to president of Sony, replacing Kunitake Ando, comes as Sir Howard Stringer takes over as chairman and CEO of the Japanese conglomerate, replacing Noboyuki Idei.

Although the changes are not thought to be directly related to the high-def format battle, sources say the new management is less personally invested in the long-running contest with Toshiba and its allies and more sensitive to Hollywood's keen interest in having a single format.

As part of the reshuffling at Sony, executive deputy president Ken Kutaragi was stripped of his board seat and had his executive portfolio narrowed to concentrate on Sony's PlayStation business. That took him out of any direct role in the format battle.

"Idei, Ando and Kutaragi were the three guys who were most dug in on Blu-ray,"
said one source who has followed the situation closely.
A spokesman for Sony in New York cautioned against reading too much into Chubachi's remarks.

"There may have been some misunderstanding of his comments," the spokesman said. "He was speaking to the need to be focused on the customer, and in that context, he said a single format would be better for the customer."

Toshiba also has undergone a change at the top.

In February, the company named Atsutoshi Nishida to succeed Tadashi Okamura as president and CEO, effective in June.

"I think it's great that you've got two new heads at these companies," said a source hoping for a unified format. "Hopefully they won't be so arrogant."


It's too early to tell if the new tone will lead to a substantive breakthrough, but the recent movement carries a striking echo of the struggle over the current DVD standard.

Idei took over as chairman of Sony in April 1995, when the electronics company was still pushing its Multimedia CD format as the replacement for videocassettes.

At the same time, Toshiba and Time Warner were promoting the format that eventually became the DVD.

Although it looked initially as if the too were headed for a format war, Idei's elevation helped change the political dynamic, as he was able to tap his previous relationship with then Warner Home Video president Warren Lieberfarb to broker a compromise.

Idei had previously headed Sony's optical media unit, where he had worked on the earlier generation of videodisc with Warner and other studios.

Studios on both sides of the current format divide are encouraged by the recent signs, but no one has gone so far as to change their plans.

Warner, Universal and Paramount all say they plan to push ahead toward the planned fourth-quarter launch of HD DVD.

Any backing away at this point, in fact, could prove embarrassing to the studios, adding another political wrinkle to any unification talks.

The HD DVD studios are on record proclaiming that the sooner the industry moves to a high-def standard the better, although some of those comments were probably meant as much for the Blu-ray camp as for public consumption.

Any serious unification effort could push a plausible launch date back by as much as two years.

Still, the studios might accept a delay if it meant avoiding a format war.


This might be a big reason the PS3 unveiling was cancelled?
 
this is absolutely necessary. I've repeated it millions of times, but a format war on an HD standard this soon after DVDs is a recipe for disaster.
 
So what will this mean from a techincal view? Will our Blu-ray become HD-DVD or will HD-DVD become Blu-ray?
 
Anything that averts a format war earns a thumbs up in my book.

In my ideal world, the BluRay format would be adopted by everyone (since it's more advanced) and then enhanced for consumer player launch around 2009. BR-DVD ROM devices would of course come out sooner as high end PC parts.
 
APRIL 1 | Signs of a recent thaw between leaders of the rival high-definition hardware camps are rekindling hopes in Hollywood that a single, unified disc standard could still emerge and avert a full-scale format war in the marketplace.

Nothing to add.
 
The death of Blu Ray is near.

Personally, I choose Blu Ray over HD-DVD any day.
Blu Ray has more space and more space means better image quality, lots of space for sound (DD and DTS) and for extra content.
 
Nerevar said:
this is absolutely necessary. I've repeated it millions of times, but a format war on an HD standard this soon after DVDs is a recipe for disaster.

yup, just stick with DVDs for now... if people have to re-buy all their movies again this soon they'll either pirate the shit out of them or just not buy movies anymore.
 
If a unified format is introduced and respective Blu-Ray/HD-DVD specs altered in a merge, it would slow the introdcution of High Def disc media even longer. Blu-Ray may cease to exist in its current form as a commercial tech, or may be re-branded. It's certainly not going to speed things up in the short term.
 
All that would mean for PS3 or any next gen console is that an agreement on an HD video standard wouldn't have been agreed in time, but the physical tech behind blue-laser optical media is done and available for them to implement which would still provide the advantage of greater storage capacity to grow into over the course of the generation.

Besides, this article is airing some very tenuous reasons to think that unification is likely.
 
WordofGod said:

Common sense, I'd imagine.

The two companies ready to crack at the moment were the two staunchest technical companies fully backing Blu-Ray. Now that they're waffling, it probably means that HD is going to get the upper hand if any unification talks begin.

The Blu-Ray field all of a sudden showing a willingness to compromise makes for a pretty weak bargaining position.

I think this means we'll just see the rollout of HD-DVD as planned with Blu-Ray never really seeing the light of day at the consumer end. HD-DVD may be changed as part of a compromised or enhanced slightly (with necessary delay to hit market by a year or two longer than expected), but I wouldn't be surprised if all that came of the "unification process' between the two was a name change or some trivial marketing lingo describing HD-DVD.

Doesn't bode well for Blu-Ray. At this point, I'd rather we all calm the fuck down and wait for HVDs to rock us in 2010.
 
Honestly, they should just call whatever the successor turns out to be HDVD.

"High Density Versatile Disc." It's a no brainer, retaining DVD for brand recognition, as well as incorporating "HD" that will associate with High Definition in consumers' minds (i.e. HDTV).

I really don't see why they'd name it anything else.
 
Companies wouldn't just adopt Blu-Ray because someone out of Sony got hte boot. There are many reasons they wanted HD-DVD to begin with. If anything this would cause Sony to give up on Blu-ray.
 
This is very bad news. Blue Ray DVD is superior to HD-DVD in almost every single way. Just like BetaMax was better than the VHS format.

Much like BetaMax, it looks like BlueRay will end up getting screwed.

Being an A/V junkie I find this news very disheartening.

I can say no more.
 
Whether Sony will throw in the towel on BRD, I don't know. At the end of the day, how the patent royalty pool is divided is more important to the two camps than which technology prevails. If Sony gets a nice cut of the HDDVD royalties, they'll call it a victory and go home happy.

What seems clear is that they chances of anything other than DVD drives in next gen consoles have gone from remote to infinitesimal.
 
Rhindle said:
Whether Sony will throw in the towel on BRD, I don't know. At the end of the day, how the patent royalty pool is divided is more important to the two camps than which technology prevails. If Sony gets a nice cut of the HDDVD royalties, they'll call it a victory and go home happy.

What seems clear is that they chances of anything other than DVD drives in next gen consoles have gone from remote to infinitesimal.


You make a great point but it still leaves me very sad.

BlueRay is shaping up to be the best AV format around, just like BetaMax was back in the day. I would hate to see Sony give up on this format just for a mere "peice of the HDDVD pie."

Right now, Sony is one of the World's leading companies when it comes to developing new technology. Their constant desire to push the boundaries of new tech benfits us all, even those of you that hate the Sony corporation.

HD-DVD may be cheaper to produce, but its also vastly inferior.
 
It's possible BluRay may still come out on top when you consider the possible delay of HD-DVD.

With the majority of manufacturers backing BluRay, and the few HD-DVD manufacturers staring at impending delays ... I would think that would give the BluRay Group some hand.
 
i don't think anyone (but total zealots) care which comes out "on top" as long as there is a 100% unified format like current DVD.

the less news the better for now... gotta get this done if they have any shot at cracking market acceptance as a dvd replacement.
 
It's just the ultimatum from Sony to HD-DVD backers. If HD-DVD backers don't compromise now, it'll never occur and HD-DVD will go to naught.
 
I would think in this case BR has the ascendency. The size and nature of the consortium makes HD-DVD the underdog here. This isn't just Sony, its Matsishita, Dell, HP, Samsung etc they might offer the HD-DVD folks some bones but i suspect BR has the upper hand.

The PC makers want it, the two Japanese and the two Korean CE, firms want it EA is a member, Apple, Pioneer, Sharp, Hitachi.

Philips have a dual read laser, they might offer to make all BR players HD-DVD compatible and some other bones, But NEC and Toshiba are battling the giants in multiple industries here.
 
Juice said:
The Blu-Ray field all of a sudden showing a willingness to compromise makes for a pretty weak bargaining position.
What compromise?
What the Sony executive offered is basically an offer HD-DVD backers can accept without losing face. Can Blu-ray backers simply say "HD-DVD sucks and you are bunch of f00ls" to Toshiba/NEC? The carrot and the stick, this time Sony used the carrot, that's all.
 
ThirdEye said:
What compromise?
What the Sony executive offered is basically an offer HD-DVD backers can accept without losing face. Can Blu-ray backers simply say "HD-DVD sucks and you are bunch of f00ls" to Toshiba/NEC? The carrot and the stick, this time Sony used the carrot, that's all.

Interesting interpretration. AFAIK, the media hasn't been interpreting that at all. I believe the CNET headline ran something like Sony shakeup shows it's bending on blu ray support.

It sounds like what's going on is a weaker backbone of hardcore Blu-Ray support, which is exactly what Blu-Ray would've needed to prevent HD-DVD movies from coming out this year and on top of that finding a way to suppress the other platform. Sounds improbable to me, at least.
 
This sounds like betamax/VHS and DVD/VCD again..

It just comes down to which one people buy more, and sometimes the inferior format wins.


This reminds me that the courts are set to reinvestigate the betamax case where manufacturers were not held liable to illegal consumer usage of their technology. If the courts turn it around, we'd probably see the more proprietary format to win the war cause of the decision.
 
Srider said:
This reminds me that the courts are set to reinvestigate the betamax case where manufacturers were not held liable to illegal consumer usage of their technology. If the courts turn it around, we'd probably see the more proprietary format to win the war cause of the decision.

What's a "more proprietary format"?
 
Srider said:
This sounds like betamax/VHS and DVD/VCD again..

It just comes down to which one people buy more, and sometimes the inferior format wins.


This reminds me that the courts are set to reinvestigate the betamax case where manufacturers were not held liable to illegal consumer usage of their technology. If the courts turn it around, we'd probably see the more proprietary format to win the war cause of the decision.

*Bzzz*

You mean whichever standard the porn industry gets behind wins.
 
TotalBastard said:
You make a great point but it still leaves me very sad.

BlueRay is shaping up to be the best AV format around, just like BetaMax was back in the day. I would hate to see Sony give up on this format just for a mere "peice of the HDDVD pie."

Right now, Sony is one of the World's leading companies when it comes to developing new technology. Their constant desire to push the boundaries of new tech benfits us all, even those of you that hate the Sony corporation.

HD-DVD may be cheaper to produce, but its also vastly inferior.

Astroturf much?

Sony gets on the wrong end of format wars all the time. The market left them behind on Betamax, the market left them behind on Minidisk, and the market left them behind on Memory Sticks.

That said, I'd really rather see Blu-Ray become the standard. I'm not much interested in HD movies , but I AM interested in BR-ROMs (or HD-ROMs), and Blu-Ray packs quite a bit more information on the disc.
 
Jared Goodwin said:
Astroturf much?

Sony gets on the wrong end of format wars all the time. The market left them behind on Betamax, the market left them behind on Minidisk, and the market left them behind on Memory Sticks.

LOL
Who defined CD?
Who defined 3.5" floppy disk?
 
allow me to jump in with, I don't care which format wins out, I just want to see one and only one format on store shelves. There is no question the advantage that one format had in DVD. And I don't think there is any question the effect that multiple formats had in high res audio.

I know I am in the minority here, but I just don't think at the start that high def movies will be enough to compel most people to switch up to a new format. that being said, if there is only one format, the pretty much cements each and every person in this thread as an ealr adopter. the more early adopters, the quicker the hardware and software lower in price, eventually making it more and more attractive for mass consumers to switch over. with two sets of hardware, you are splitting your early adoption, and creating confusion when the mass market hears about it (aka DVDA/SACD)

this is good news. I hope the rumors pan out. And I really don't care which format wins out to become the one. either is fine for holding a full length hd movie with bonus content.
 
ThirdEye said:
LOL
Who defined CD?
Who defined 3.5" floppy disk?

Hey, I'm not Sony-bashing, or saying that all of Sony's formats are doomed, just that Sony's backing doesn't guarantee a win.

And "Their constant desire to push the boundaries of new tech benfits us all", what the heck is that? :lol

Come to think of it, I thought the CD was Phillip's baby, not Sony's.
 
I love the Betamax gushing in this thread. Does everyone forget that when BetaMax was first introduced it could only hold 1 hour of video recordings? It was not designed for holding movies on, and it's only purpose was for "time-shifting" TV. VHS, while being inferior in terms of bandwidth and color palette, could hold 2 hours of video and, therefore, commercial movies. Yes, Beta did up the ante later on it's life, but by then it was too late. VHS was the format to buy movies on. It isn't really comparable to the Blu-Ray / HD-DVD debate (where Blu-Ray is a better format in every sense).
 
seanoff said:
I would think in this case BR has the ascendency. The size and nature of the consortium makes HD-DVD the underdog here. This isn't just Sony, its Matsishita, Dell, HP, Samsung etc they might offer the HD-DVD folks some bones but i suspect BR has the upper hand.

The PC makers want it, the two Japanese and the two Korean CE, firms want it EA is a member, Apple, Pioneer, Sharp, Hitachi.

Philips have a dual read laser, they might offer to make all BR players HD-DVD compatible and some other bones, But NEC and Toshiba are battling the giants in multiple industries here.
Well, to their credit it's not simply just NEC and Toshiba versus everyone else. HD-DVD has already been ratified by the DVD forum, bringing with it certain level of industry endorsement. Plus the HD-DVD camp already boasts nearly half the market for content publishing (Warner+Universal+Paramount) backing it up already while BD is only about a third (Sony+Disney). The battle is far more complex than you've implied here, with both camps having clear advantages in different areas.
 
Jared Goodwin said:
Hey, I'm not Sony-bashing, or saying that all of Sony's formats are doomed, just that Sony's backing doesn't guarantee a win.
The problem is that you're trying to compare formats PRIMARILY OR SOLELY backed by Sony to a format where Sony is only one of many backers. And you didn't need to even make such comparisons if all you wanted to say was that "Sony's backing doesn't guarantee a win" because that's a truism for any company, regardless of their track record.
 
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