Smiles and Cries
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When did they start calling it GAME JESUS :lol :lol :lol where is the origin of this 
Sp0ng putting it on the line: Says DS=PDA and GBA 2=PSP like machine at E3
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Baron Aloha
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Drinky Crow said:
Only on GAF folks!!
Smiles and Cries
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Drinky Crow does to Nintendo what Jews and Romans did to Jesus
but I like the name GAME JESUS
but I like the name GAME JESUS
Catchpenny
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border said:
The DS carts are considerably cheaper than GBA carts, aren't they? That would be a pretty compelling reason. Also, if the DS gets a new Mario, Pokemon and the FF3 remake, there will still be a lot of people looking to buy the system over the holidays. Of course, if the Game Jesus is for real, those games could be moved to it.
Maybe you should realize that people aren't going to buy a $150 Nintendo handheld product when they believe there is something bigger just six months away. People were perceiving DS as a Gameboy successor....but if they hear that the real deal is arriving shortly, you can bet they will hold back.Deg said:
If Nintendo is silent on this, I would expect that it is true.
sonycowboy said:
Well in their (Sony's) defense - they are against Nintendo here, THE Nintendo of handheld market. If anyone knows how to make business in the handheld area it sure is Nintendo. Been there how long? Since Game & Watch. Buried how many competitors? Lynx, Game Gear, Neo-Geo Pocket Color etc.
Sony's first handheld IS impressive but it still is their first try. Nintendo had 20 years to master the market.
Deg said:
Piissh, Nintendo may like to think this is the case, but the way things look now, for all intents and purposes it is a GB and it is competing with PSP. Fair balls to them if they can pull it off - it'll take some doing to convince retailers to juggle two nintendo handhelds and a PSP simultaneously.
Still, I don't think this is true.
Well, that is not Nintendo´s fault at all. They were clear about it was not a Game Boy and they didn´t put the name of "Game Boy".
I still see a lot of potential for DS and it can benefits for being out the battle with PSP that would give developers calm to work in more crazy and different ideas that benefits of the interface. I believe DS is a great machine, but I doubt it can´t stand against PSP right now sales wise.
Memles said:
Right now making a game for the DS and PSP is basically impossible. Companies have to make a seperate game for each. If Nintendo made a handheld that was "normal" it would be easy for titles to be ported to the Gameboy from the PSP. They are missing out on a lot of games that they could be getting.
The DS support won't stop because it will still get all the touch screen stuff and 2D games while the next Gameboy is a high powered PSP that will play 3D stuff. I also bet the new Gameboy won't be backwards compatible with GBA stuff so that they can make it smaller and lighter meaning if you want your GBA fix you'll have to get a DS.
If it launches for Holiday 2006 that's almost 2 years away and people are saying that its too soon. Holiday 2006 would give the PSP only 1 holiday season before the new Gameboy came out and that would be 2 years after the DS came out. That's not too soon people.
And people saying that it will confuse people and make them not buy a handheld then why hasn't the DS confused all the GBA buyers?
imastalker co.
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hey, don't put words in my mouth. i clearly remember saying "i wouldn't be suprised". atleast i think i did. after all, i only go leaking shit when im drunk.Enigma said:
speaking of which : busts out the bombay :
Baron Aloha
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Gaijin To Ronin said:
No, just no. You don't need to carry the name to be viewed as the successor. By that logic the Gamecube isn't the N64's successor and the N64 wasn't the SuperNES' successor. Nintendo was never that up front with the general public. The DS was not marketed as a stop-gap solution (which is what it is). It was marketed as something more long term and no matter how you slice it that's going to piss people off and burn Nintendo in the end.
Gaijin To Ronin said:
They were clear in their press conferences and interviews but does that help the average gamer who walks into Walmart and drops a chunk of cash on the DS thinking it's their new GBA? Since when has Nintendo kept a uniform naming convention lately?
Sure, people who scour the internet know they said this, but again, what about the moms, dads, and little Joey?
SantaCruZer said:
And I would just like to say that the perceptions put forth by consumers are their fault, regardless of the truth behind it. A company is fully responsible for how a public views it. It's a similar situation with GCs kiddie image. Is it true? Well, whether or not it is clearly isn't the point because they are responsible for that image. If Nintendo did not do a good enough job informing people that this was not the "next GB", then it is their fault. And as much as you and I are informed about the gaming world, I don't think mainstream consumers necessarily reflected on that "small little detail" with the DS press release.
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Amir0x said:
True. btw here is what Nintendo said about the DS.
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/474/474025p1.html
If they didn't want people to consider it the next GameBoy, they shouldn't have put the Nintendo name all over the thing and announced that all the popular GBA franchises were moving there. Short of that, I don't think there is really much they could have done to combat the notion.Gaijin To Ronin said:
At any rate, "You should have expected a new Gameboy!" seems like a dumb thing to say to someone who will be watching a system that they got last Christmas get totally fucked up the ass. Even if they did expect one, I doubt they thought it would be out in less than a year.
"You bought a 32X? You idiot, you should have expected Sega's 32 bit system!"
"Third pillar" never got beyond press conferences and videogame magazines. I don't believe they have even used the expression since the time before the DS launch. The mainstream public doesn't hear that rhetoric. You might have a point if the slogan was "The Third Pillar" or something like that.
CDs were a lot cheaper than carts in the 90's, but it didn't stop any number of CD-based consoles from dying at the hands of Genesis/SNES. If the DS userbase is very tiny (and more interested in PDA stuff than games) then the software sales will not be good enough to justify development...
Who says is not going to be long term? I never said such thing and I was clear that inside this hypothetical situation, If Nintendo drops DS support I wouldn´t respect Nintendo as much as I do.
Gamecube is exactly Nintendo Gamecube, the same way it was Nintendo 64, Super Nintendo and Nintendo. It´s a home console and it´s called Nintendo, I´m sure people have no problems understanding that.
And yes, the marketing campaigns didn´t tell anyone that Nintendo DS "was not the GameBoy succesor", but they didn´t say it was. Nintendo have insisted a lot about it to the press, even they were clear enough to not just say something unclear to evade the question, they were absolutely clear and have repeated the message a lot of times that DS was not a GBA sucessor.
I am completely agree with you Border
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Johnny Nighttrain said:
GO MAN GO
Chittagong
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My first thoughts, in the order they came to my mind:
1. I'm too old for this shit.
2. I've seen this before with another Japanese hardware manufacturer.
3. From business strategy point of view this is feasible, and I could see that a bunch of business analysts in Kyoto would choose this scenario over a bunch of other shitty scenarios.
4. From technical perspective, I must be really out of loop, what IP can Nintendo put to on chip to get a GCN level graphic performance on portable (or even as much GCN as PSP is PS2 perf)? I know two companies whose IP it's not very likely to be.
5. From publisher perspective - if this scenario has been explained to publishers, Nintendo must have pretty damn slick PPTs to explain this maneuver and some airtight NDAs to keep it from leaking. If not, all those handheld developers ramped up for DS a year, learning SDKs and getting stuff run good on that old ARM9... not going to be happy, so Nintendo must count on console developers for this project!
6. The original Nitro was how I always envisioned the next GB after GBA. Why it got a second screen, mic and touch late down the process was pretty clearly to derail it from GB family.
7. Then again, this news could be just confusion around the cosmic rework on DS, naturally they want to make it more "PSP like".
I call BS for Spong story, but thumbs up for some new portable Nintendo hardware, if only a rehash, announced H1.
1. I'm too old for this shit.
2. I've seen this before with another Japanese hardware manufacturer.
3. From business strategy point of view this is feasible, and I could see that a bunch of business analysts in Kyoto would choose this scenario over a bunch of other shitty scenarios.
4. From technical perspective, I must be really out of loop, what IP can Nintendo put to on chip to get a GCN level graphic performance on portable (or even as much GCN as PSP is PS2 perf)? I know two companies whose IP it's not very likely to be.
5. From publisher perspective - if this scenario has been explained to publishers, Nintendo must have pretty damn slick PPTs to explain this maneuver and some airtight NDAs to keep it from leaking. If not, all those handheld developers ramped up for DS a year, learning SDKs and getting stuff run good on that old ARM9... not going to be happy, so Nintendo must count on console developers for this project!
6. The original Nitro was how I always envisioned the next GB after GBA. Why it got a second screen, mic and touch late down the process was pretty clearly to derail it from GB family.
7. Then again, this news could be just confusion around the cosmic rework on DS, naturally they want to make it more "PSP like".
I call BS for Spong story, but thumbs up for some new portable Nintendo hardware, if only a rehash, announced H1.
DHGamer said:
Your logic, applied equally across other examples, doesn't hold too much weight. If Apple were to (re)introduce a PDA tomorrow that happened to play music from the iTunes music store, I'd be hard pressed to believe that people would just assume it's the next iPod. That said, Nintendo should go back to branding their home consoles with just their name, and some kind of superlative (e.g., Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo 64.) Or "sequels." I'd imagine that Nintendo would get all kinds of nostalgia heads fired up if they said their next system was the "(S)NES2."
If you think about it for a moment - "GameCube" is more than likely a failed attempt to bring the two lines into a closer relationship. GameCube -> Game Boy. This goes to connectivity which didn't really work out to well, but that's an argument for another thread.
Anyway, a specific brand is usually defined by a set of specific functions. The Apple iBook isn't exactly a Powerbook; the Apple iMac is by no means a G5 Tower. A Sony PSP isn't a Network Walkman. Despite all of the overlapping functions, these are completey seperate entities, with their own brand names, brand name successions, and abilities.
So, the Nintendo Game Boy is by no means a Nintendo DS, and vice versa.
JC10001 said:
Which is why this whole thing makes no sense. Nintendo didn't need a stop-gap if they were gonna get another GB out in 2005 - they could have just rode out the SP - probably quite sucessfully - for as long as possible. There would never be any need for a DS in that situation.
The whole thing makes no sense IMO. I call BS on this.
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gofreak said:
I agree, I think if CNN is correct it will be an updated version of the SP, not a true new Gameboy in 2005.
Usually is the operative word here.xsarien said:
All other products that you have talked about are all ubiquitous appliances that have always run with multiple product lines. The consumer gaming world does not look like that. Generally speaking game devices have ALWAYS worked in generations. When a new system is released people assume that it is the replacement for the old one.
Are you telling me that if Nintendo released a new home console hardware and called it the Nintendo Revolution, you would not assume that it was the GameCube successor? You would legitimately question whether or not a GameCube 2 was still coming?
border said:
Given that their home consoles are prefaced with "Nintendo," yes, I'd make that connection. Unless it was something that didn't hook up to a TV or other display type. If it were portable, I'd see it as something accompanying the Game Boy line.
If you watch the advertising (print, TV, whatever) for the GBA, incidentally, the "Nintendo" isn't emphasized nearly as much as "Game Boy."
Border said:
And Nintendo hasn't?
:lol
mashoutposse
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So, is console gaming on the go a good idea now? :lol
Their entire handheld market strategy from early 2004 onwards has been a mess. If they had a PSP-beating device waiting in the wings, why did they even think about releasing a stopgap console and taking on all the risks that go along with such an endeavor? That's not how market leaders do. Did Sony put out a home version of System 12 in 1999 to combat the Dreamcast until PS2 was ready?
This is what happens when you don't take care of your partners (aka third parties) and ensure that they are firmly wrapped around your finger. Unfortunately for Nintendo, it doesn't seem likely that publishers are going to wait and save their best for GBA2 as they did for PS2 back in 1999/2000. Developers will dive head first into PSP software development, creating a system selling library, and the market at large will begin to slowly move away from Nintendo franchises yet again.
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Their entire handheld market strategy from early 2004 onwards has been a mess. If they had a PSP-beating device waiting in the wings, why did they even think about releasing a stopgap console and taking on all the risks that go along with such an endeavor? That's not how market leaders do. Did Sony put out a home version of System 12 in 1999 to combat the Dreamcast until PS2 was ready?
This is what happens when you don't take care of your partners (aka third parties) and ensure that they are firmly wrapped around your finger. Unfortunately for Nintendo, it doesn't seem likely that publishers are going to wait and save their best for GBA2 as they did for PS2 back in 1999/2000. Developers will dive head first into PSP software development, creating a system selling library, and the market at large will begin to slowly move away from Nintendo franchises yet again.
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Doesn't really matter, since saying "Nintendo" is essentially saying "Game Boy" for most people.
So let's get this straight then....if Nintendo launched a new console and the marketing said REVOLUTION in huge gigantic letters, with only a tiny Nintendo logo at the bottom of the page/screen (or maybe with no Nintendo logo at all).....then you would still be expecting GameCube 2 to come out?
Nintendo has always followed a generational setup. When have they tried to seriously run with multiple models (handheld or console)? I'm talking about seriously different hardware configurations, not different colors or form factors. If the story is true, they will be trying to run at least 2 different handheld product lines simultaneously. Why should people have "expected" them to do something that no one else ever has?
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Johnny Nighttrain said:
**patiently awaits drunken post**
radioheadrule83
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mashoutposse said:
Because they want to create a new market, a new source of money, a new product line. They want to diversify.
You know... the way Sony did decades ago?
Why is everything such a melodrama? Nearly everybody who bought a DS can see that its got good things coming for it, or that it has good potential as a gaming device with the kinds of games we havent seen excel on handhelds before. Everyone who can't, didums. I wager, nearly every one of those people again, would buy a PSP calibur Gameboy system. Why is that hard to believe when its almost unanimous on this board that the PSP is an amazing piece of kit and brought the best thing to handhelds in years (competition)?
If a lot of DS owners are already considering buying a PSP calibur system, called the PSP, why the fuck WOULDN'T Nintendo try and stop that? It's their market remember.
I also wager the most vocal posters cooing about betrayal weren't enamoured with DS to begin with or chunked their Gamecubes recently.
I cannot wait to hear more about the new GameBoy. The DS is an experiement and has the potential to have amazing games as far as game-play with touch screen combined with WIFI|Internet and voice control, but face it, DS will NEVER wow the masses with its graphics & audio. never. not with PSP around.
PREDICTIONS:
"DS games that make heavy use of touchscreen features will stay on the DS."
"DS games that do not make heavy use of touchscreen features will move to GBA2."
"After the loss of Mario and Pokemon, DS owners will kill themselves rather than face the prospect of 3 more years of Nintendogs and Yoshi Touch N' Go 2: Electric Boogaloo."
"DS games that make heavy use of touchscreen features will stay on the DS."
"DS games that do not make heavy use of touchscreen features will move to GBA2."
"After the loss of Mario and Pokemon, DS owners will kill themselves rather than face the prospect of 3 more years of Nintendogs and Yoshi Touch N' Go 2: Electric Boogaloo."
radioheadrule83
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doncale said:
Exactly.
They've got a DS purchase out of me. And I for one am very happy with it. I think when the games that use the features well come out -- a lot of other people will be happy with it too. We're only a paltry few months after launch. It's not even out where I live. So I know it hasn't shown us the best it has to offer... on the one hand I'm excited about that.
But am I ignoring the PSP? Fuck no!
Now I'm a 20 something guy who has disposable income. I can put money aside in advance for the PSP. Lets see. Does Nintendo want me to? Y'know, Nintendo Co, "we used to own 90% of the handheld market, it makes up a lot of our revenue" of Kyoto, Japan?
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When did the PSP already took the world by storm?
It isn't released in the US or Europe.
We don't know the excact prize nor release date in Europe. (Delayed again....)
I know that people around me are really into the DS. It hasn't been released over
here en whenever i'm in the train or at friends/family they wanna try it.
Almost any casual gamer loved it and is thinking of buying one.
All the kids in my family have already hooked their parent up to buy them one.
People are in large line over here to play on the DS demopods.
There's so much we don't know about the current systems yet, so how can we
already spew predictions out like Nostradamus on crack.
Let's wait and see how PSP does in Europe and US, cos i heard a lot of complaining
around about it being too expensive, not enough battery power.......
Don't forget that there is a casual gamer group that's as large as the whole
playstation graphic whore group, that is really into touch screen playing
and pick up and play that the DS offers.
Gameboy next/Game Jesus (WTF) will come sooner or later and it really can coexist with DS, if they support both systems and hook the DS up with a good online system.
Only time will tell.........
It isn't released in the US or Europe.
We don't know the excact prize nor release date in Europe. (Delayed again....)
I know that people around me are really into the DS. It hasn't been released over
here en whenever i'm in the train or at friends/family they wanna try it.
Almost any casual gamer loved it and is thinking of buying one.
All the kids in my family have already hooked their parent up to buy them one.
People are in large line over here to play on the DS demopods.
There's so much we don't know about the current systems yet, so how can we
already spew predictions out like Nostradamus on crack.
Let's wait and see how PSP does in Europe and US, cos i heard a lot of complaining
around about it being too expensive, not enough battery power.......
Don't forget that there is a casual gamer group that's as large as the whole
playstation graphic whore group, that is really into touch screen playing
and pick up and play that the DS offers.
Gameboy next/Game Jesus (WTF) will come sooner or later and it really can coexist with DS, if they support both systems and hook the DS up with a good online system.
Only time will tell.........
WordAssassin
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nitewulf said:
look if its a revamped handheld gamecube, im so there. i'd buy that over a psp, mostly cause of RE4.
but.
can nintendo ever price it competitively?
i dont think so.
There was an interview a while back with Iwata I think, where that specific question was asked. He said something about how isn't it nice that the GCN's discs are so small? And they were looking into making it portable over the next few years, if they could get a good battery life and price point.
GCN = GBE.
GBE takes over GBA
Revolution takes over GCN
Nintendo DS plays quirky DS games.
Three pillars.
