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This is small but very important news and I'm hoping that maybe a little hate mail from fans will help change the future of this film. The sad part about this scoop is I've heard it not from just this person, but from someone else a few months back- so I know this is for real.

Basically the costume design in Spiderman 3 is a disaster, just like Mr. Green Goblin in the first Spidey. Our scooper writes in, "If you thought the first 'Spiderman' was bad in terms of development, just wait until you see the next film. The first problem is with
Venom's costume, which Spiderman wears first. Instead of being pure black, they took a bit from the comic and gave it a disgusting purple tint. In the comic the reason for the tint was to Venom stood out in the shadows, but in film there's no reason for this. Now I've actually seen the costume designs and they're terrible. The purple looks awful.

And yes it gets much, much worse. All I can say about the
Hobgoblin
outfit is "yikes"! He looks like a skateboarder or something."

He goes into more detail, but I'm afraid I was asked by the other scooper NOT to post their similar story- a promise is a promise (sorry).
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Hm, first I heard of that second bad guy, but hopefully they're doing what I hoped they would do.

Oh, the link: http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3564
 
I doubt they'll suck, the green goblin costume wasn't bad either, it'd be worse if they did it like in the comics and gave it moving eyes and a mouth
 
..pakbeka.. said:
I doubt they'll suck, the green goblin costume wasn't bad either, it'd be worse if they did it like in the comics and gave it moving eyes and a mouth
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Agreed, at least in the movie the costume was PRACTICAL!

In the comics it was never explained WHY he dressed like that (at least that I know of).

And this being based mostly off the "Ultimate" continuity having Venom with a purple tint DOES make sense. Pure black doesn't translate very well to film. You need something to break it up. Just give me the symbol in the front and I'll be happy. Thats the only thing I didn't like about "Ultimate" Venom..no symbol!
 
I've been out of the comic scene for a while now, what's the story behind ultimate Vemon and the symoite suit VS. traditional Vemon?
 
Ultimate Venom=
suit to cure cancer, developed by Peter and Eddie fathers
the spider symbol shows up in the game
when Eddie finally has total control over the suit
since the game script is handled by Bendis it'll probably happen in the comics as well.
 
Raytow said:
Ultimate Venom=
suit to cure cancer, developed by Peter and Eddie fathers
the spider symbol shows up in the game
when Eddie finally has total control over the suit
since the game script is handled by Bendis it'll probably happen in the comics as well.
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Add to that;
Eddie Brock is DEAD in the regular Marvel uni. He ended up getting cancer and taking his own life. He sold off the symbiote to the sone of a mobster who shortly after also died. The symbiote 's whereabouts? Unknown
 
Outcast2004 said:
Add to that;
Eddie Brock is DEAD in the regular Marvel uni. He ended up getting cancer and taking his own life. He sold off the symbiote to the sone of a mobster who shortly after also died. The symbiote 's whereabouts? Unknown
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... Uh, I missed that storyline somehow.

That is the worst fucking idea ever.
 
The Green Goblin suit from 1 seriously looked like an old Power Rangers villian. God damn, what's so hard about designing a good looking costume?
 
Outcast2004 said:
Add to that;
Eddie Brock is DEAD in the regular Marvel uni. He ended up getting cancer and taking his own life. He sold off the symbiote to the sone of a mobster who shortly after also died. The symbiote 's whereabouts? Unknown
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Holy shit, I never knew that! Stopped reading Spidey sometime around 1997 or 1998.

Wow.
 
i hate Green goblin, i think he is by far the worst Bad guy in spiderman history.

Venom is my favorite and i want him to be black dammit!
 
Willem Dafoe was sooo awesome as a bad guy, which is why it sucked that he had to wear that mask everytime he was doing something bad, instead of actually getting to see his face.
 
I stopped reading Spider-Man around the time Ben Reilly replaced Peter Parker for a while, then one day a co-worker comes in with a bag of comics he just purchased and one of them had this shoeless old man with Spidey's powers.

I don't see how they could screw up the Hobgoblin look. All they need is a dirty, brown, hooded poncho, the goblin armor to be painted a dark shade of orange or maybe bronze, and the mask.
 
whytemyke said:
Willem Dafoe was sooo awesome as a bad guy, which is why it sucked that he had to wear that mask everytime he was doing something bad, instead of actually getting to see his face.
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The other Green Goblin design was so much better (it was a different outfit you could use in the Spider-man the movie videogame, it was a more hooded torn grim reaper kind of look combined with the original suit), why in heaven did they chose the one they did in the movie?!
 
whytemyke said:
Willem Dafoe was sooo awesome as a bad guy, which is why it sucked that he had to wear that mask everytime he was doing something bad, instead of actually getting to see his face.
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i agree, Dafoe is an awsome bad guy but the green shit took it all away.
 
Venom has had a purple tint forever. Big fucking deal. Sounds like the same guy who bitched about organics.

That said, even I am not optimistic with Spidey this go around, considering the things we've heard about Sam Raimi within the past year and the main lead's general distaste for the series. At this point, it is no longer a labor of love, but a labor of money.
 
If they ever make a movie with Carnage, they better not use a shitty costume, I mean Carnage in the comic books, cartoons etc was one of my favorite characters cause of his symbiot was always morphing.

Now that they ruined Venom, it looks like I'll RENT the movie. they should just stay true to the comics :(
 
Black not translating to film is complete and utter damage control. So black is never seen in films? Buh? Batman disagrees.

I'm not saying I have a problem with purple or whatever, but black is easily done.

Oh yeah, GG suit isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but I'd hardly say it was design of the year. Besides, it was Willem's performance that really pulled off the character =same for Doc Ock. i suspect the trend will continue, especially if it has been set up as a trilogy.

Oh yeah, the idea of the symbiote is that their lives are entwined, so Eddie killing himself should also kill the symbiote (or better yet, teh symbiote preventing this). Having the symbiote move around willy nilly undermines the concept. A well written poor idea can still be a good read, yes, but it can also still be a poor idea.
 
Outcast2004 said:
Yep that's right.... I stopped reading Spidey right when I saw
the last panel with Eddie slitting his wrists.

Kinda pissed me off...
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I don't know, I think they did it right. After all, he was about to kill himself the minute the symbiote found him. This is a fitting end, but damn. And yeah, having him die should kill the suit unless it's found another host to feed off of.
 
mrkgoo said:
Black not translating to film is complete and utter damage control. So black is never seen in films? Buh? Batman disagrees.

I'm not saying I have a problem with purple or whatever, but black is easily done.

Oh yeah, GG suit isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but I'd hardly say it was design of the year. Besides, it was Willem's performance that really pulled off the character =same for Doc Ock. i suspect the trend will continue, especially if it has been set up as a trilogy.

Oh yeah, the idea of the symbiote is that their lives are entwined, so Eddie killing himself should also kill the symbiote (or better yet, teh symbiote preventing this). Having the symbiote move around willy nilly undermines the concept. A well written poor idea can still be a good read, yes, but it can also still be a poor idea.
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He got rid of the symbiote right before ending things. Auctioned it off.
 
evil ways said:
What about Raimi? Did he get tired of the franchise and is just doing Part 3 because he's contractually obligated?
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Raimi may have officially sold out. Which I am so very hesitant to say, because as everyone knows, I'm one of the biggest Raimi zealots around.

I was willing to brush off what happened with Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, when he pretty much killed the idea once learning a certain demographic would pay money to see Ash, organized the rights and began the Evil Dead remake under his own production company. Rumors have speculated that New Line was going to foot the bill for Evil Dead 4 if Raimi would agree to the crossover, but instead, he opted to keep the money all to himself and further infuriate fans with a remake.

But I wrote that off as just rumors and paranoia. I really don't know anyone too well at Ghost House to really get anything from it.

But then, the other week, when Danny Elfman came out and called Raimi a pod person, and said that Spider-Man 2 was the worst working conditions he's been on, that was a pretty big blow. He called Raimi a goddamn pod person and he has left Spidey 3 altogether, and this is from one of the easiest going composers in the industry who has worked under some of the most intense productions in the industry.

That is pretty big.
 
Leave it tro GAF to jump to conclusions. Venom hasn't even oficially been confirmed yet, and already the character/movie sucks.

And no, Kirsten Dunst doesn't count as official. :lol
 
Willco said:
Raimi may have officially sold out. Which I am so very hesitant to say, because as everyone knows, I'm one of the biggest Raimi zealots around.

I was willing to brush off what happened with Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, when he pretty much killed the idea once learning a certain demographic would pay money to see Ash, organized the rights and began the Evil Dead remake under his own production company. Rumors have speculated that New Line was going to foot the bill for Evil Dead 4 if Raimi would agree to the crossover, but instead, he opted to keep the money all to himself and further infuriate fans with a remake.

But I wrote that off as just rumors and paranoia. I really don't know anyone too well at Ghost House to really get anything from it.

But then, the other week, when Danny Elfman came out and called Raimi a pod person, and said that Spider-Man 2 was the worst working conditions he's been on, that was a pretty big blow. He called Raimi a goddamn pod person and he has left Spidey 3 altogether, and this is from one of the easiest going composers in the industry who has worked under some of the most intense productions in the industry.

That is pretty big.
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Reading this makes me sad. :(
 
quadriplegicjon said:
whats a pod person?
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He's insinuating that Raimi, a person who has worked with for 15 years and was quite good friends with, has been replaced by a soulless alien entity of some sorts. I mean, this isn't like any composer leaving any production. Raimi and Elfman were friends. The only other person Elfman collaborates on projects more than Raimi is Burton, but those are the two directors he composes the most for.
 
Willco said:
He's insinuating that Raimi, a person who has worked with for 15 years and was quite good friends with, has been replaced by a soulless alien entity of some sorts. I mean, this isn't like any composer leaving any production. Raimi and Elfman were friends. The only other person Elfman collaborates on projects more than Raimi is Burton, but those are the two directors he composes the most for.
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Awe man, for the love of all that is good please Sony do whatever it takes from becoming a spiral downfall like Warner Bros. did with Superman and Batman. It's starting to see that the 3 biggest superhero franchises are going to have another thing in common. :(
 
Willco said:
But then, the other week, when Danny Elfman came out and called Raimi a pod person, and said that Spider-Man 2 was the worst working conditions he's been on, that was a pretty big blow. He called Raimi a goddamn pod person and he has left Spidey 3 altogether, and this is from one of the easiest going composers in the industry who has worked under some of the most intense productions in the industry.

That is pretty big.
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Elfman is gone from Spider-Man 3? This is saddening, I loved his scores :(
 
Willco said:
He's insinuating that Raimi, a person who has worked with for 15 years and was quite good friends with, has been replaced by a soulless alien entity of some sorts. I mean, this isn't like any composer leaving any production. Raimi and Elfman were friends. The only other person Elfman collaborates on projects more than Raimi is Burton, but those are the two directors he composes the most for.
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Elfman is a hack anyway. Sam should work with Joe Deluca again. BTW there isn't going to be an Evil Dead remake.
 
Gantz said:
Elfman is a hack anyway. Sam should work with Joe Deluca again.
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That's irrelevant to the point at hand.

BTW there isn't going to be an Evil Dead remake.
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There might be, there might not. It's still in the cards over at Ghost House, I'll tell you that much. The only thing I've heard otherwise is Ted Raimi who said it's not going to happen at the moment, but it still might happen. Nothing is definitive, but I'm going to bet on a remake.
 
Zeo said:
Please, don't spread that crap.
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Spread what crap? That Tobey Maguire hates doing them?

Whatever makes you sleep better at night in that fantasy world you live in...
 
Here's the stuff on Raimi and Elfman.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050913a.php
Sept 13 said:
"I'm not working on Spider-Man 3. I'm out of that. I won't miss not doing it. Spider-Man 2 was a miserable experience. It's like my connection with Sam got completely severed. As far as I'm concerned, he went to sleep, somebody put a pod next to him and when he awoke, he wasn't the same person I'd known for a decade" says Elfman. "He went from right there number two on my list of favorite directors to the exact opposite of what I look for in a film experience which is everything I could do on Spider-Man 1, I couldn't do on Spider-Man 2. He got so intensely attached to the temp music that I couldn't even adapt my own music close enough. Let me put it that way. I couldn't get close enough to me, least of all anybody else who was in the temp score."

You will hear Elfman's theme in "Spider-Man 3" in any case because Raimi owns it - "He can do whatever he wants. It's the first time I've ever walked from a director in 20 years and hoefully the last time I have to turn my back on somebody but it became like intolerable. And I've been on some heavy duty films, so to say that, it had to be pretty bad. I've been in war zones you couldn't believe in 55 films but this is the first time I said, 'I've had it. It's just not worth it. I'd rather go back to waiting tables than to do Spider-Man 2 again, to have to have the same experience."
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Willco said:
Spread what crap? That Tobey Maguire hates doing them?

Whatever makes you sleep better at night in that fantasy world you live in...
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Well why the fuck did his sore back suddenly get better after he heard they were going toreplace him with Jake Ghellienhall(totally misspelled), for Spiderman 2?
 
Silent Death said:
Well why the fuck did his sore back suddenly get better after he heard they were going toreplace him with Jake Ghellienhall(totally misspelled), for Spiderman 2?
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$$$
 
Silent Death said:
Well why the fuck did his sore back suddenly get better after he heard they were going toreplace him with Jake Ghellienhall(totally misspelled), for Spiderman 2?
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Uh, you're arguing to the wrong person, as I've stated that Tobey Maguire does hate doing the Spidey flick. I was responding to Zeo, who in every topic, is destined to be wrong.
 
Willco said:
Uh, you're arguing to the wrong person, as I've stated that Tobey Maguire does hate doing the Spidey flick. I was responding to Zeo, who in every topic, is destined to be wrong.
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No you are the right person the argue with. you are saying Tobe hates doing the films. If that is the case why would he jump at doing Spiderman 2 when his back was killing him from doing Seabiscuit. If he hated why would he suffer through the films with a busted back instead of useing it as an excuse to leave. Also I heard he and Kirstin hate each other after there little fling during after Spiderman.
 
Zeo said:
Please, don't spread that crap.
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Willco is probably the most who knows about Spidey flicks around this board he hardly spreads crap.

Silent Death said:
No you are the right person the argue with. you are saying Tobe hates doing the films. If that is the case why would he jump at doing Spiderman 2 when his back was killing him from doing Seabiscuit. If he hated why would he suffer through the films with a busted back instead of useing it as an excuse to leave. Also I heard he and Kirstin hate each other after there little fling during after Spiderman.
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Dan already said it but fuck it.

money093.jpg
 
Silent Death said:
No you are the right person the argue with. you are saying Tobe hates doing the films. If that is the case why would he jump at doing Spiderman 2 when his back was killing him from doing Seabiscuit. If he hated why would he suffer through the films with a busted back instead of useing it as an excuse to leave. Also I heard he and Kirstin hate each other after there little fling during after Spiderman.
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His back wasn't killing him from Seabiscuit. He claimed to have an "on and off" back problem that was on again after Seabiscuit prior to Spidey 2. He threw a shitstorm. Raimi said, "I'll replace you with Jake Gyllenhaal." Sony gave him a shitload of money. His back magically felt better.

I also know people who have been on the set in both production and post production, who have an endless supply of stories about how much of a prick Tobey Maguire is.

Hell, for those who wanted to rumble yesterday, THIS is from Tobey's own mouth:

Tobey Maguire said:
First of all, this is a back condition I've had for three or four years, on and off. Sometimes it doesn't really bother me at all, while sometimes it bothers me a little or a lot. Coming off of Seabiscuit it was bugging me a lot, but not because of Seabiscuit. I saw the animatics and storyboards of the stunts I was to do on Spider-Man 2 and was a little concerned about it. I felt it was my responsibility to disclose my back discomfort to the studio, to the insurance company and to the filmmakers, which I did.
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And then he got rich. Hooray for Tobey Maguire!
 
Venom in the movie = sell out.

It's the only reason Raimi would put such a shitty XTR3RME character in the movie - money. Sony knows the stupid teenagers love their shitty anti-Spider-Man so they likely pressured Raimi into putting the character into the movie to make more money.
 
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