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[Pedigree Chum]

This post sums up why I hate the start of new generations.

But I LOVE SC though, and the post was in jest. Obviously amazing graphics doesn't equal GOTY. Amazing graphics for this game wouldn't hurt though, I know it'll play well at least.

 

[Amir0x]

This thread is such a clusterfuck I hate everyone even me

But seriously, this proves the theory that people cannot have any self-control on this topic. When something good happens that a fanboy perceives as even a remote "win" (WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT MEANS), they will find a way to release the hounds.

Furthering my opinion that we need to ban the discussion of "Metal Gear" in splinter cell threads, "Splinter Cell" in Metal gear threads, "Virtua Fighter" in Dead or Alive threads, "Dead or Alive" in Virtua Fighter threads and let the nuances work themselves out. This is nuts already, you guys have got to tone this shit down.

Splinter Cell rocks, Metal Gear rocks!

 

[TheJollyCorner]

they need to make a Golgo13 stealth game.

 

[elostyle]

nevermind, don't really want to get into this.

 

[eso76]

It doesn't look realtime to me, but hey, let's hope it is : )

 

[elostyle]

It doesn't look realtime to me, but hey, let's hope it is : )

I'll shamelessly quote myself once more.

These shot are so blurred that you can't tell if in focus shots will look any good. While these look good for what they are, they can't make the whole game that blurry. How it looks in focus will make or break it.

 

[Amir0x]

nevermind, don't really want to get into this.

Too late. I already read what you said.

 

[elostyle]

Too late. I already read what you said.

Bah. Just never got any of the emotions for those games so it's annoying to hear about it in so many places but this thread certainly isn't the place to discuss that.

 

[Amir0x]

Bah. Just never got any of the emotions for those games so it's annoying to hear about it in so many places but this thread certainly isn't the place to discuss that.

maybe if they weren't so awesome! But the point of this would be to stop the threads getting derailed, 'cause it is one disaster after another.

 

[elostyle]

Yeah although it is perfectly normal to draw comparsions to similar games. The mentioned emotions for "that other game" on both sides is what makes it ugly concerning these games.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

maybe if they weren't so awesome! But the point of this would be to stop the threads getting derailed, 'cause it is one disaster after another.

Fat chance of that happening. In the thread I made ages ago, a whole bunch of supposed "xbots" got banned, but not a single one of the people actually responsible for derailing the thread got banned. Makes one not want to share any SC4 information or material with this board again, that's for damned sure.

Yeah although it is perfectly normal to draw comparsions to similar games. The mentioned emotions for "that other game" on both sides is what makes it ugly concerning these games.

They aren't all that similar though, and they are becoming even less so with each new entry. There is no real basis for comparison at this point, so why even bother?

 

[Amir0x]

Fat chance of that happening. In the thread I made ages ago, a whole bunch of supposed "xbots" got banned, but not a single one of the people actually responsible for derailing the thread got banned. Makes one not want to share any SC4 information or material with this board again, that's for damned sure.

Then don't share it. I remember that thread, and it was definitely not one sided banning. But regardless, it's not appropriate for discussion. The point is, fat chance or not, this is out of control. So something must be done. Maybe this would fix it.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Then don't share it. I remember that thread, and it was definitely not one sided banning. But regardless, it's not appropriate for discussion. The point is, fat chance or not, this is out of control. So something must be done. Maybe this would fix it.

Back when the GT vs Forza threads were getting out of control weren't bannings going on for anyone that tried to derail either thread by talking about the other game? That's pretty much the only way to stop it.

 

[Amir0x]

Back when the GT vs Forza threads were getting out of control weren't bannings going on for anyone that tried to derail either thread by talking about the other game? That's pretty much the only way to stop it.

Don't know, wasn't a mod then.

 

[Kobold]

They aren't all that similar though, and they are becoming even less so with each new entry. There is no real basis for comparison at this point, so why even bother?

Aren't the people mainly comparing the graphics at this point since not much else is known? It's up to them I guess. No one is forcing anyone to reply.

Let all the dumb people say their dumb things, I say. Doesn't bother me much.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Then don't share it. I remember that thread, and it was definitely not one sided banning. But regardless, it's not appropriate for discussion. The point is, fat chance or not, this is out of control. So something must be done. Maybe this would fix it.

Really? Then mind telling me exactly which characters from the "MGS4 kills this fo sho" group were banned? I didn't see a single one of those guys get banned, but I saw that a bunch of people who responded to the bait got banned. I don't say the guys who got banned didn't deserve it, but they were hardly the only ones who could have used some time off to think things over.

But whatever, this is hardly helping anything either.

 

[Amir0x]

Really? Then mind telling me exactly which characters from the "MGS4 kills this fo sho" group were banned? I didn't see a single one of those guys get banned, but I saw that a bunch of people who responded to the bait got banned. Hell, it should have been a one sided ban, it's just that the hammer landed on the wrong side.

But whatever, this is hardly helping anything either.

It should have been a one sided ban? :lol

Andrews, it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about. People from both sides got banned, whether it was more on one side than the other is irrelevant, and that's why we have people that do these things. If you don't like the way it goes down, feel free to e-mail people. But nothings gonna get done just so you understand.

 

[eso76]

These shot are so blurred that you can't tell if in focus shots will look any good. While these look good for what they are, they can't make the whole game that blurry. How it looks in focus will make or break it.

I don't know, blurriness can hide something, but in the first closeup his hand and arm look too "rounded" to be realtime imho; you can't see the polys the model is built of, which hasn't happened even in next gen beat em ups with 2 characters on screen yet.
Think of MGS4 (errr...i'm not making comparisons, i just brought it up as one of the finest examples of next gen realtime graphics): characters are impressive but you can still tell where polys junctions are in closeups.
I wouldn't count on models being this detailed in-game; either this is CG or if it is indeed realtime, chances are the model used in cutscenes is more detailed than the Sam we'll see throughout the game. Or maybe we just haven't seen what next gen is capable of yet.

I also think next gen games could use some more blurriness, regardless: computer generated graphics' sharpness instantly tells you you're looking at a videogame; a little blur sometimes does a good job pushing realtime graphics towards photorealism or at least CG: think of wreckless or even that Ps3 london tech demo: the latter especially wouldn't have been half as impressive if everything was "in focus" and perfectly sharp and 720p is enough to add a little blur without making everything look muddy.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

It should have been a one sided ban? :lol

Andrews, it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about. People from both sides got banned, whether it was more on one side than the other is irrelevant, and that's why we have people that do these things. If you don't like the way it goes down, feel free to e-mail people. But nothings gonna get done just so you understand.

We have people to do what exactly? Not a single person that I could see got banned for actively derailing the thread with this MGS4 vs SC4 nonsense, which just so happens to be what dragged the thread in the shit in the first place. I got banned for posting scans, fair enough; I knew that would happen, but figured those shots were worth a ban. But I don't see how it's constructive modding to allow people to derail thread without so much as a warning. So yeah, it should have been a one-sided ban; anyone participating in derailing the thread should have gotten some time off to consider if it's really worth doing next time. I honestly can't believe you are disagreeing with this. Weird.

Anyway, so these two shots are appearantly current generation shots, and I'd say they make a pretty good case for the quality of the next gen version

 

[Amir0x]

We have people to do what exactly? Not a single person that I could see got banned for actively derailing the thread with this MGS4 vs SC4 nonsense, which just so happens to be what dragged the thread in the shit in the first place. I got banned for posting scans, fair enough; I knew that would happen, but figured those shots were worth a ban. But I don't see how it's constructive modding to allow people to derail thread without so much as a warning. So yeah, it should have been a one-sided ban; anyone participating in derailing the thread should have gotten some time off to consider if it's really worth doing next time.

Hahahahahaha. For future reference, Andrews, you get by much better when you're not trying to feign objectivity via mod criticism.

Anyway, so these two shots are appearantly current generation shots, and I'd say they make a pretty good case for the quality of the next gen version

So good. SC4 is gonna rock.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Hahahahahaha. For future reference, Andrews, you get by much better when you're not trying to feign objectivity via mod criticism.

What "feigned objectivity" are you talking about? I prefer one over the other, that doesn't mean I think it'd be reasonable for me to go into an MGS4 thread and bitch about how it's inferior to the masterpiece that is the SC series, etc. If you're going to ban people for disrupting threads, then a good place to start would be to ban those who actively seek to derail threads by introducing known inflammatory material.

 

[Amir0x]

What "feigned objectivity" are you talking about? I prefer one over the other, that doesn't mean I think it'd be reasonable for me to go into an MGS4 thread and bitch about how it's inferior to the masterpiece that is the SC series, etc. If you're going to ban people for disrupting threads, then a good place to start would be to ban those who actively seek to derail threads by introducing known inflammatory material.

:lol I don't know why you'd continue to discuss something when it's now abundantly clear you don't know shit about it. But hey, if you want to let this keep goin' we can put some of this terrible moding into action right now.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

:lol I don't know why you'd continue to discuss something when it's now abundantly clear you don't know shit about it. But hey, if you want to let this keep goin' we can put some of this terrible moding into action right now.

Then do me the favour and tell me where my supposed lack of education comes in; so far you've done little more than post smilies and post nonsensical answers, but I suppose my lack of education is stopping me from noticing the deeper context. So do a fool a favour and point out exactly where I'm falling off the track.

I say that people who actively derail threads by introducing known flamebait ("this kills MGS4" or "meh, Splinter Cell is inferior to MGS4") should be banned or at least warned. I'm basing this on the fact that crap like this is cancer to any debate, no matter which side it originates from. Once that shit starts rolling, no amount of attempts to move it back on track is going to do much good. Introduce Halo to a HL2 debate or vice versa, and the debate is shot to hell. Introduce MGs to an SC debate or vice versa, and the debate is, in fact, shot to hell. And you're saying I'm wrong here?

 

[TAJ]

>>>But hey, if you want to let this keep goin' we can put some of this terrible moding into action right now.<<<

You said it, not us.

 

[Amir0x]

>>>But hey, if you want to let this keep goin' we can put some of this terrible moding into action right now.<<<

You said it, not us.

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I tried to suggest moving off the subject, but hey.

 

[Matlock]

1. Oh man, that HALO jump screen...the second one with the city...Best looking art application in a game yet.
2. You guys are all retarded.

 

[HokieJoe]

I could have accepted your trolling (joking or not), but trolling Splinter Cell and then going off to play Animal Crossing?

Banned. Hard.

I know it's well after the fact, but, :lol

 

[sprsk]

 

[Matlock]

That really needs text, but I'm not sure what would fit.

 

[HokieJoe]

You know what I think? PS3 fanboys have some crazy ass expectations that are not going to be met. MGS4's graphics engine might improve but it will only improve by a little. The textures are the main problem and that's pretty much it, the rest looks done.

Why is so hard to accept that Kojima Productions got served by Ubisoft Shanghai? Even I am blown away by these screens. Good work Ubi

I'm what you'd call an Xbot, but I wouldn't say that MGS4 "got served".

Both games look good damnit!

 

[Kobold]

Anyway, so these two shots are appearantly current generation shots, and I'd say they make a pretty good case for the quality of the next gen version

Starts to look at least as good as Chaos Theory! Very sweet, thanks.

 

[quiznos]

you guys need to remember the first game taking advantage of unified architecture and Xenos in Xbox 360 will be Project Wolfenstien from Id

 

[Kobold]

you guys need to remember the first game taking advantage of unified architecture and Xenos in Xbox 360 will be Project Wolfenstien from Id

Why would other games not take advantage of that? I'm slightly confused. You are implying that other developers (Like Ubi) are not taking advantage of them, but are just leaving there where they be and ignoring them? :lol

EDIT: Sure looking forward to the next Wolfie though!

 

[HokieJoe]

you guys need to remember the first game taking advantage of unified architecture and Xenos in Xbox 360 will be Project Wolfenstien from Id

I sure hope Wolfenstein is the shit.

Wolfenstein FTW!!!

 

[quiznos]

Why would other games not take advantage of that? I'm slightly confused. You are implying that other developers (Like Ubi) are not taking advantage of them, but are just leaving there where they be and ignoring them? :lol

EDIT: Sure looking forward to the next Wolfie though!

because Ubi Shanghai is developing for both X360 and PC at the same time, thus sharing programmable levels and coding ideas.

Kameo was shifted from Xbox and it seems PDZ was as well. Quake IV was same as PC version in sharing programmable levels and coding ideas. Project Gotham Racing shifted from a ATI 800XT and single processor to be ported to this machine.

The only game which will be focused on 360 will be Wolfie because remember ID said they will first develop for X360 then from there port to other systems like PC. unlike other games.

 

[HokieJoe]

Chaos Theory had multiple routes to explore to get to the same points. Did you play it? Obviously for game design reasons, things can't be "too wide open". And what of MGS? From what I have played, things weren't wide open at all in my experience. Or are you suggesting its good for SC, but not for MGS? I don't know if I understand the "multiple ways to achieve goals" idea. If you have someone you have to eliminate - how many different ways can it be achieved? And is there such a thing in MGS? If not, why do you feel for a call to change SC, but not MGS? The series is just fine. You don't like it that much - fine. There are a lot of us who think it's just fine, isn't broken - and doesn't need to be necessarily "fixed".

Thief wasn't all "that" open either. There were multiple routes to get to the same area, but for the most part, it was very similar IMO. Things can only be "so wide open" anyhow - it's a videogame afterall.

Cogent, you know I'm a SC man. But what think Dark10's getting at is "free form" like Operation Flashpoint for instance. I know, it's a different type of game, but damned if there weren't a 1000 different ways to accomplish your objectives in that game. You could ride around in a jeep, or you stealth your way to the bank. Even better, you could just shoot up a Russkie camp and steal one of their T72's. Now that was some fun shit.

Anyway, it would be nice if SC4 had a little more free style action. OFP needn't be the standard bearer here. I'll take it either way though, because the whole SC series is off the chain in my book.

 

[Amir0x]

I sure hope Wolfenstein is the shit.

Wolfenstein FTW!!!

Mmm, yes. Imho RTCW (and Enemy Territory) are two of the best multiplayer FPS ever made.

 

[quiznos]

well this scan confirms another Xbox 360 image

- Realtime lightning
- Realtime Helicopter while lightning and thunder
- Cloud movement?

*SCAN REMOVED* (mod note: Only Japanese language magazine scans allowed, iirc)

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I was going to write a whole diatribe to dark, but this summarizes my feelings.

SC is just fine the way it is. I am not expecting for that much to change, because I already like what I am playing with each iteration of the game. What you think is boneheaded, I have no problem with.

Leave my SC alone.

 

[Amir0x]

SC is just fine the way it is. I am not expecting for that much to change, because I already like what I am playing with each iteration of the game. What you think is boneheaded, I have no problem with.

Leave my SC alone.

QFT. I love Splinter Cell. Obviously just like anything I would like to see refinements, but not so it changes the formula. Just so it mixes things up. Looking at SC4: DA and reading about it, I think it does that just fine. It's Splinter Cell, it rocks. Man, playing current gen version will suck so hard against a better version of SC with these kinds of graphics. I need money!

 

[methodman]

well this scan confirms another Xbox 360 image

- Realtime lightning
- Realtime Helicopter while lightning and thunder
- Cloud movement?

*SCAN REMOVED* (mod note: Only Japanese language magazine scans allowed, iirc)

Hey quiznos, can you link us to the scan?

 

[Dr_Cogent]

QFT. I love Splinter Cell. Obviously just like anything I would like to see refinements, but not so it changes the formula. Just so it mixes things up. Looking at SC4: DA and reading about it, I think it does that just fine. It's Splinter Cell, it rocks. Man, playing current gen version will suck so hard against a better version of SC with these kinds of graphics. I need money!

From everything I am reading about this next one, it seems to mix things up. Here's hoping this one really blows us away.

 

[sprsk]

Hey quiznos, can you link us to the scan?

no he cant you retard

 

[Amir0x]

From everything I am reading about this next one, it seems to mix things up. Here's hoping this one really blows us away.

Foh sho! But... imagine what Splinter Cell would be like on...












...Revolution!

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Foh sho! But... imagine what Splinter Cell would be like on...

...Revolution!

Hmmm, no thanks. I'll take Tetrisphere please.

 

[Amir0x]

Hmmm, no thanks. I'll take Tetrisphere please.

"But have you ever played _________ while on... Revolution!?" is going to be the new "But have you ever done __________ while... high!?" if it's the last thing I do.

 

[Kobold]

because Ubi Shanghai is developing for both X360 and PC at the same time, thus sharing programmable levels and coding ideas.

I think your statement is a little bit silly... Because games are also made for PC, doesn't mean they can't share the same code in some cases and not be 'fully taking advantage of' the Xbox.

You are again implying that Kameo, gorgeous title, as is Perfect Dark Zero, contain graphical or performance code that is made for Xbox, or even Gamecube? Code is code, outside of the specifics of the renderers and shaders and much of the multi-core coding architecture, why couldn't some of the code be identical on both platforms and not have anything specifically to do with the performance.

Plus, you are also ignoring any other title made for Xbox 360, as if Wolfie would be the first to be made for 360 alone, while in the meanwhile many Xbox 360 titles will come out and already have come out.

Again, I have no doubt that the new Wolfie will be sweet as pie, but it's silly concluding something out of nothing. Yes, they might make both (PC and 360), yes they might share code or whatnot (as if code for your radar, or something silly has to be different then on the PC). Does that somehow mean they are not taking full advantage? No, it doesn't. I'm not saying that they are. No one can at this stage I'd say, everyone is still learning to cope with the architecture of the machine, but there sure are people who are trying other then id and bringing out a game before and after that I'm sure.

 

[tahrikmili]

It does look a little like Half-Life 2's character faces though. Pretty nice!

Exactly.

The whole MGS4 demo looked nothing better or even on many terms worse than Half Life 2.

That, for me, was totally underwhelming.

If that makes me a retarded xbot/pc fanboy, well, that I am.

 

[HokieJoe]

I was going to write a whole diatribe to dark, but this summarizes my feelings.

SC is just fine the way it is. I am not expecting for that much to change, because I already like what I am playing with each iteration of the game. What you think is boneheaded, I have no problem with.

Leave my SC alone.

Okay, I give.

Dr_Cogent's right. Leave SC alone you fuckers!

 

[Kobold]

Exactly.

The whole MGS4 demo looked nothing better or even on many terms worse than Half Life 2.

That, for me, was totally underwhelming.

If that makes me a retarded xbot/pc fanboy, well, that I am.

I ment that more in 'that was really, really impressive facial modeling' kind of sense though.