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Spotify CEO: musicians may no longer able to release music only “once every three to four years”

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
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Seems like most of the album money is just lost at this point. If you can actually hold onto most of the money from merch and touring, then that can be very lucrative.
 

It is a different world now. I wonder how this will affect the quality of albums.

Some of the best music we ever got was when bands were churning out records like crazy in the 70s. Best stuff out of Rolling Stones was when they were putting out an album every six months.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
Seems like most of the album money is just lost at this point. If you can actually hold onto most of the money from merch and touring, then that can be very lucrative.
Album money was never there. The industry has been ripping off artists since the 60s.

Touring is pretty much just not happening at all this year. Lots of venues will permanently close. It’s already touch and go if you come back from your with any profit but after this year even that is looking like a long shot.

Then again music is an art form. You should pursue it if that is what you want to do. Just don’t expect to make and money at it
 

Ten_Fold

Member
Ehh I don’t wanna hear the new music every 6 months from the same artist, I’ll get tired fast. If the album is good I can wait 2-3 years for a new one. Still waiting on Kendrick.....
 
Album money was never there. The industry has been ripping off artists since the 60s.

Touring is pretty much just not happening at all this year. Lots of venues will permanently close. It’s already touch and go if you come back from your with any profit but after this year even that is looking like a long shot.

Then again music is an art form. You should pursue it if that is what you want to do. Just don’t expect to make and money at it

Album sales were the best way for bands to make money back as late as the early 2000s. Everyone was going platinum and once you recouped your expenses from the label (depending on how much you spent in the studio/marketing etc...) you usually started making money as soon as you went platinum.

Candlebox went 4x platinum and they've long since been forgotten.

Brian McKnight has a song you probably heard once or twice and the album went 3x platinum.

I could go on and on digging up moderately obscure shit. You could be a c-tier artist back then and make more than enough off of album sales alone to have a decent career and retire if you didn't blow the money like an idiot.

As far as releasing albums every 6-12 months go, this isnt something new for the industry. As someone else stated, back in the 70s bands out out an album (sometimes two) each year. Reason was your record contract stated they needed X amount of albums out of your over X period of time. Shit changed eventually and you could stagger albums over a longer period of time. When Springsteen took 3 years to go from Born To Run to Darkness On The Edge Of Town it was unprecedented. What will happen (if releasing new albums more consistently becomes the norm again) is we'll return to the days of single albums packed with filler. I personally believe over the past decade we've seen a resurgence of solid front to back albums since artists are taking more time and have no real record label obligations to fulfil anymore.

That being said, streaming services are probably worse than the majors and pay fractions less to artists/bands. Tidal is terrible but at least they paid a decent rate per stream. If everyone switched to that and paid an extra $10 more a month we wouldn't have so many people complaining about not getting paid. Plus if you are still signed to a major they're definitely skimming way more off your streams since they no longer make money
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
Bands haven’t made money off album sales forever, that’s nothing new. It’s always been about merch and touring.
Spotify doesn’t cost enough to users to be able to pay more money to artists. It’s basically a tool artists should be using to get their name out with in order to sell merch and tickets to shows.
 

HoodWinked

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considering the garbage i see trending on youtube that qualifies as music, it has become disposable consume once commodities.

dont need to buy the CD, dont need to download it, why would you need it longer than in the moment.
 

oagboghi2

Member
Do you just follow my posts or something? Get a life you corporation cock sucker.
Stop posting retarded takes. You think like a middle schooler.

Spotify doesn't pay "shit rates". They pay a logical amount considering the amount the customer pays is close to zero. This isn't a new concept, people have been pointing out this flaw in the music streaming model for years, before Spotify even existed.

Instead of doing any amount of research, you say the dumbest shit, and cry when I laugh at your stupidity. 🤷
 

Super Mario

Banned
Let the free market decide. Do I necessarily agree with the CEO 100%? No. However, no one is forcing you to make your songs available to Spotify. Even though they have one of the lower royalty payments, artists aren't swimming in revenue from ANY streaming service.

If I start a small business, I have to pay out the ass to get my advertising. For artists on Spotify, they are paid a little to advertise their product. You make your money off of merch, tours, and sometimes album sales. Don't bitch at Spotify about COVID
 

YCoCg

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Stop posting retarded takes. You think like a middle schooler.

Spotify doesn't pay "shit rates". They pay a logical amount considering the amount the customer pays is close to zero. This isn't a new concept, people have been pointing out this flaw in the music streaming model for years, before Spotify even existed.

Instead of doing any amount of research, you say the dumbest shit, and cry when I laugh at your stupidity. 🤷
Bitch, anytime anyone points out how shitty companies are being you always rush in with your wobbling lip pretending to not cry as you say shit like this "don't be mean to the corporations". At least admit you're a shill.
 

oagboghi2

Member
Bitch, anytime anyone points out how shitty companies are being you always rush in with your wobbling lip pretending to not cry as you say shit like this "don't be mean to the corporations". At least admit you're a shill.
Post these times I've "not been mean to corporations". My post history is open.

I use my brain to try and understand how the industry reacts to an ever changing market. Only retarded people (like you) or school children think with such a binary thought process like "corporation bad because corporations"

Look at your own retarded logic in this thread. "Spotify the corporation is bad because they give other corporations a low rate." 😂
 

YCoCg

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Post these times I've "not been mean to corporations". My post history is open.

I use my brain to try and understand how the industry reacts to an ever changing market. Only retarded people (like you) or school children think with such a binary thought process like "corporation bad because corporations"

Look at your own retarded logic in this thread. "Spotify the corporation is bad because they give other corporations a low rate."
dEbAtE mE, iAm fAcTs aNd lOgIc. Get outta here you Ben Shapiro wannabe, you're an apologist for shitty companies under the guise of that "facts and logic". Artists have been speaking out for years about how Spotify screws them over and pays the lowest rate but they have to have their music on there due to label contracts, etc. Companies have pushed for devaluing music as much as possible over the streaming generation, you can practically listen to whole albums on YouTube now via playlists generated on official channels by the record labels. Anytime Spotify has increased their prices haven't been for the benefit of artists, it's always been to line the pockets of Spotify or the record labels, remember how it was also Spotify who wanted artists to put out shorter songs (a staple of the old overly commercial radio days) stating that artists with songs under 2 and a half minutes were more likely to be included in their curated playlists. And now they're here again stating that if an artists wants to remain in profit then they need to be constantly releasing music so they'll always appear on top on Spotify, etc, for "Interaction".
 

xrnzaaas

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Every musician and every band should release their work at their own pace, Spotify shouldn't be making "recommendations" for having a certain schedule for new songs or albums. I consider music I like to be art, not a mass product I'm supposed to consume at a preset pace.

Personally I agree with the statement that being on Spotify should be treated primarily as a way of letting people know your band exists, not as a way of getting stable income to keep your band afloat.
 
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pLow7

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Kendrick be like:
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oagboghi2

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dEbAtE mE, iAm fAcTs aNd lOgIc. Get outta here you Ben Shapiro wannabe, you're an apologist for shitty companies under the guise of that "facts and logic".
Like I said, my post history is open. If you can't prove your bullshit claim
anytime anyone points out how shitty companies are being you always rush in with your wobbling lip pretending to not cry as you say shit like this "don't be mean to the corporations". At least admit you're a shill.
than kindly fuck off. Crying about Ben Shapiro and complaining that I use facts and logic, which I guess is something you aren't used to, is a waste of my time.

Artists have been speaking out for years about how Spotify screws them over and pays the lowest rate but they have to have their music on there due to label contracts, etc.
"Artists" aka record labels have always complained about stores like Spotify and iTunes because they get a smaller cut.

Of course the problem they don't tell you is these companies sell a different product. ITunes sold most 1.99 singles, Spotify offers a single stream which is worth less than a full cent.

Companies have pushed for devaluing music as much as possible over the streaming generation, you can practically listen to whole albums on YouTube now via playlists generated on official channels by the record labels.
Can you use your brain for 5 seconds? Who devalued music McFly? Who decided that a song should be essentially worth a dollar? Who decided that whole albums should be downloaded online for free?

These changes weren't conjured out of mid-air. The consumer changed the market, and new companies reacted to it. These artists expect album level revenue, when that isn't what they are selling anymore.

It's hilarious seeing you cry over the "poor" artists. These are the same "artists" that tried to sue Napster, sued CD manufacturers for selling blank CD's, and sued Amazon for allowing you to stream music from your own cloud account.

Anytime Spotify has increased their prices haven't been for the benefit of artists, it's always been to line the pockets of Spotify or the record labels, remember how it was also Spotify who wanted artists to put out shorter songs (a staple of the old overly commercial radio days) stating that artists with songs under 2 and a half minutes were more likely to be included in their curated playlists.
The record labels own the music, obviously Spotify is going to work to meet their interests. Spotify pays over 9 billion in revenue, with a reported 0.00437 cent per individual stream.

But Spotify, and all the other services have always operated under the operandi that they are competing with piracy and other "free" music of the internet. Complaining about the rates that Spotify offer has always been dumb, because it's never taken into account the alternative is that you get nothing.

And now they're here again stating that if an artists wants to remain in profit then they need to be constantly releasing music so they'll always appear on top on Spotify, etc, for "Interaction".

Of course Spotify wants shorter songs. They are, essentially a massive radio station. They function the same way, as a means to advertise artists, who make their real money on album sales, merchandise and concert tours. Not on playing songs solely on the radio. Artists who release a lot of music tend to do better than artists who don't. Artists who put out a bunch of singles do better than artists who put a concept album with year long delays. That isn't Spotify's choosing that. That is, again the customers
 

eddie4

Genuinely Generous
I will always use other means of purchasing music from artists, direct buys, bandcamp, and physical copies. Spotify is there just in case I want to listen to something I don't have on hand.
Music artists don't work for you Spotify, fuck off.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
CEO of company that needs constant product to push his service shocking.

Next Neflix will tell its producers that they need more than 1 show every 3 years.

Who would of though streaming services would need a constant flow of new content to keep their audience.
 

YCoCg

Member
Who decided that a song should be essentially worth a dollar?
Oh wow, you're a corporation shill still, just now with extra retard. Please tell me at least you hold stock in some companies or shit so at the very least I know you're doing this for your own interests and not just sucking their dick for free.
 
Bands haven’t made money off album sales forever, that’s nothing new. It’s always been about merch and touring.
Spotify doesn’t cost enough to users to be able to pay more money to artists. It’s basically a tool artists should be using to get their name out with in order to sell merch and tickets to shows.

Yeah, Shirley Mason was on Rogan a few years ago and she basically said that bands pretty much make their bread and butter off of tours these days.

But with covid going on for this long now........................... It makes ya wonder.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
Music industry is fucked either way. Best to find a way to make money from YouTube/FB live/Patreon.

Even if/when a vaccine comes down the pipe its going to be years until everyone is vaccinated, and if its only 50-75% effective probably more years to actually get rid of COVID.

We could be talking 5-10 years before its deemed safe enough to have large crowds. And with the way things are going unless its 100% guarantee that no one will die from COVID gubernments are not going to let their grip on power loosen and will continue to ban gatherings they don't approve of. So TOOL concert forget it. John Lewis/George Kirby funeral then its essential.
 

Nester99

Member
Oh wow, you're a corporation shill still, just now with extra retard. Please tell me at least you hold stock in some companies or shit so at the very least I know you're doing this for your own interests and not just sucking their dick for free.

Is calling someone a corporate schill your only move comrade?
 

YCoCg

Member
Is calling someone a corporate schill your only move comrade?
Is calling anyone who disagrees with how corporations exploit people "comrade" your only move? This man is worth billions and yet he's complaining to the artists (who his company pays a pitiful amount to) to release more music, and that said music needs to be released in a regular fashion, and that it needs to be under two and half minutes.
 

oagboghi2

Member
Is calling anyone who disagrees with how corporations exploit people "comrade" your only move? This man is worth billions and yet he's complaining to the artists (who his company pays a pitiful amount to) to release more music, and that said music needs to be released in a regular fashion, and that it needs to be under two and half minutes.
He isn't complaining. He is stating how the algorithm on Spotify works. Artists with higher "interaction" do better than those who don't.

It would be like crying if YouTube came out and said "youtubers who create consistent content make more money than someone who makes 1 video every 3 year." Always crying about something benign. No one here is being exploited, you fucking moron.

Oh wow, you're a corporation shill still, just now with extra retard. Please tell me at least you hold stock in some companies or shit so at the very least I know you're doing this for your own interests and not just sucking their dick for free.
I have to laugh. Out of everything I wrote, that bothered you? You can not be this stupid

Can you answer the question by the way?
 
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Woo-Fu

Banned
Would you guys like it if books were released by chapter?
Think that's a bad comparison since most people don't consume books the same way they consume music.

I'm old enough to still consider listening to an entire album "the way" but when I suggest that to somebody younger they look at me like I'm crazy.

As far as what the Spotify person is saying, I think they're probably correct from a business standpoint, at least for musicians who don't intend to get the majority of their revenue from touring and merchandise. If you have a creative process where you can produce a new song every month or two releasing them that way might make a lot of sense in terms of generating revenue instead of waiting till you have an "album's worth."
 
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MrFunSocks

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Do we have any of the latest paying subscriber numbers, total number of songs/artists on the service, and payouts for the biggest artists and their number of streams?
 
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oagboghi2

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