Pollux
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I tried. And in the other game the put a command center right next to my base and wiped me out that way
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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
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Pollux
Member
I didn't save them. Ill add you though. I'm in the GAF group on there so you should be able to find me
Pollux
Member
Haha thanks. Makes me feel better
unknownstranger
Member
I've accepted that I'll always suck against players and only play against AI. Plus I enjoy watching it a lot more.
Syphon Filter
Member
we can play vs each other then lol. same thing with me.
unknownstranger
Member
Honestly I'm probably not THAT terrible (around 50apm) but I have 0 self-confidence.
What race do you play?
unknownstranger
Member
Zerg.
AdventureRacing
Member
Switch to protoss, you'll be master within a month.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
A week!
AdventureRacing
Member
Depends how long it takes him to master the ability to proxy oracles and 1-a collosus.
demosthenes
Member
Day9 funday Monday tonight was fun with banelings. The end of the last game was amazing. Wish I knew how to gif.
Was watching it too man. There was some hilarious moments tonight.
demosthenes
Member
Changeling force field was genius.
Hooray, I got a Silver Coin at Team Liquid/Liquipedia for contributing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Son1x
Obviously I'm not a mere user but editor there too
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Son1x
Obviously I'm not a mere user but editor there too
Absolutely, this is perhaps the biggest issue with Protoss (in a sense), they just obnoxious to play against as Zerg or Terran. Protoss players at least get to BE Protoss when they face them so it probably isn't as frustrating.
Top 8 Masters for a bit now.
Soon.
Top 8 Masters for a bit now.
Soon.
unknownstranger
Member
Just beat a Protoss harder AI and a Zerg very hard AI in 2vs2. Eventually barely won once me and the Terran guys I was with basically starved out the Protoss AI and mainly had to kill the Zerg AI. Finally got brave enough to take a 3rd (and eventually a 4th) decently fast and wasn't afraid to rebuild after they were killed. I also had a massive fuck up when I went Ultra's and had 4 stuck in my base until I researched Ventral Sacs. X_X
Crimsonlink
Member
FilterSC is quitting SC2Feel bad because he helped so much with builds and macro. I wish him luck with his future in other things/games.
I won against a protoss. I feel pretty good. Felt like an accomplishment considering I almost died.
unknownstranger
Member
Main thing I hate about being Zerg is there's really no army I can make and just 1-A everything.
unknownstranger
Member
Proleague just became a must watch for me.
Proleague Pre-season on 15 & 16th with 1v1 and 2v2 mixed matches
submitted 2 hours ago by larsevss
The pre-season of ProLeague 2014 will be played on December 15 and 16th. Matches will be played in best of 3 format in which the first and third set are 1v1, the second set will be 2v2, this marks the return of 2v2 in Proleague since 2008.
Round of 8 will be played at December 15 2013 13:00 KST[local], with semi-finals and finals starting December 16 2013 19:00 KST. During matches the casters will call the teams to dig into their situation and promotional videos made by the teams will be played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1Gkf2NFys
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438068
Proleague Pre-season on 15 & 16th with 1v1 and 2v2 mixed matches
submitted 2 hours ago by larsevss
The pre-season of ProLeague 2014 will be played on December 15 and 16th. Matches will be played in best of 3 format in which the first and third set are 1v1, the second set will be 2v2, this marks the return of 2v2 in Proleague since 2008.
Round of 8 will be played at December 15 2013 13:00 KST[local], with semi-finals and finals starting December 16 2013 19:00 KST. During matches the casters will call the teams to dig into their situation and promotional videos made by the teams will be played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1Gkf2NFys
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438068
unknownstranger
Member
Rewatching a few games I like. Still amused at a pro Protoss making an army of Zealot/Colossus/High Templar/Archon/Void Ray/Tempest/Carriers.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I wouldn't mind it if they had a token BW match as a variety thing (not returning it to the terrible system they had earlier), or even it's own mini league where one match a night was for a mini BW tourney. That and a customs game competition during intermission or something.
Making these thins more of fun time events for audiences will only help their viewership and to get crowds.
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The Everyman
selects stream last night: "fuck protoss"
lol, i feel ya man.
the early game is definitely a legit problem but i also feel like the late game needs to be balanced in micro requirements. the terran has to do a lot more, and this seems to hold true in all leagues from gold to gm. i think most people agree. blizzard could not only make the game more entertaining by increasing protoss micro requirements, but they could improve the game for the casual players as well.
i think the terran units that they add in lotv should be:
- some kind of tier 3 aoe air bomber for terran that has a single castable spell to carpet bomb the enemy in a straight line after like a 1 second charge. just as something to prevent protoss from always clumping their death ball together.
- some kind of tier 1 terran mechanic that enables early aggression against the photon overchage.
lol, i feel ya man.
the early game is definitely a legit problem but i also feel like the late game needs to be balanced in micro requirements. the terran has to do a lot more, and this seems to hold true in all leagues from gold to gm. i think most people agree. blizzard could not only make the game more entertaining by increasing protoss micro requirements, but they could improve the game for the casual players as well.
i think the terran units that they add in lotv should be:
- some kind of tier 3 aoe air bomber for terran that has a single castable spell to carpet bomb the enemy in a straight line after like a 1 second charge. just as something to prevent protoss from always clumping their death ball together.
- some kind of tier 1 terran mechanic that enables early aggression against the photon overchage.
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The Everyman
brutal.
"if he gets through all these bunkers i dont know what to say"
*avilo snipes all the templar, stutter steps, and repairs*
*the protoss a moves and doesnt even bother microing the 5 archons that are attacking supply depots*
*keyboard smash*
the micro requirements in tvp are just messed.
I'm not saying you are wrong but how should they do that? The brunt of the army are heat seeking retards with swords, hardly the stuff of microing dreams =/
Forcefields, blink stalkers and high templar use seems enough(I feel the use of HT's is somewhat lacking though).
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The Everyman
possibilities:
keep feedback range high, but lessen storm casting range so the ht have to be brought to the front a little more
go with idras suggestion of killing charge and killing maruader slow together
forcefields don't seem to matter much in late game fights, and even when they are used in the midgame, they have to intermediately be countered with medivac pickup-and-redrops which is an even more taxing micro requirement. i still cant do it reliably personally.
I think they would be emp'ed a lot more frequently'd then, that and chargeless zealots that would get kited to death by just about anything that shoots would probably be the death of gateway only armies.
Yea there's not much use of forcefields in the late game(or blink micro for that matter), they could let us chrono boost attacks on units though
Still think MSC is the primary problem with toss, especially in TvP. Photon overcharge makes it easy to be greedy and repel early pressure / counter attacks even without many units. Mass recall makes aggression safe. Time warp eliminates micro advantages. Its vision allows for easy blink play right into the base. And that ability to safely play greedy snowballs into a late-game advantage if the game even goes that long. Terrans really don't have many options if they want to be prepared for the now-common all-in plays. I don't know how Terran is supposed to get ahead. It's a dice roll. Make the MSC abilities researchable or adjust them.
Crimsonlink
Member
I think some stuff that could easily fix TvP without nerfing their units is just some minor buffs and stat changes to units. The buffs mostly won't affect TvZ or TvT, just TvP
1. For Mech, Tanks do +30 vs shield along with their normal 50 damage vs armored in siege mode. This lets Tanks kill Stalkers in two shots instead of 3. Also this lets them do 60 damage to Zealots instead of just 35. Tanks were made to make lings/Roaches/Hydras easier to kill, sadly this lets the Zealot tank about 4 hits from the tank in siege mode due to their ridiculous 150 health. This changes nothing about the tank for the other match ups. Immortals would still be good but using other units would be dangerous for toss.
2. Make Charge like Stim for Zealots. Not damaging them, but make it manual instead of autocast. Way too just to just say A Move to a pack of zealots and forget about them late game. With no charge, it makes them much weaker unless you micro them
3. Vikings do +2 or +4 vs massive units. Makes the huge Colossus and Tempest numbers easier to deal with lategame. How many times have we lost to killing everything except the 6 Colossus down to 2 and there is no ground army left? It takes over 10 Vikings at 3/3 to kill more than 3 colossus at 3/3 fast enough to matter. Not to mention how many snipes Stalkers can get with blink. Broodlords would suffer a bit but they are barely used anyways. Corruptors/Mutas are good vs Vikings anyways. BCs in the lategame would also be easier to deal with in TvT
4. Make Zealots HP 80 and its shields 70. This makes EMP more effective which is a big complaint of mine. Zealots only lose 50 shield per EMP. Its cost ineffective.
Stalkers at least have 80/80 split so its worth it.
5. Nerf MSC which is what most people pretty much agree on.
Thats pretty much it from my end. Would make the matchup much more dynamic. What do you guys think?
1. For Mech, Tanks do +30 vs shield along with their normal 50 damage vs armored in siege mode. This lets Tanks kill Stalkers in two shots instead of 3. Also this lets them do 60 damage to Zealots instead of just 35. Tanks were made to make lings/Roaches/Hydras easier to kill, sadly this lets the Zealot tank about 4 hits from the tank in siege mode due to their ridiculous 150 health. This changes nothing about the tank for the other match ups. Immortals would still be good but using other units would be dangerous for toss.
2. Make Charge like Stim for Zealots. Not damaging them, but make it manual instead of autocast. Way too just to just say A Move to a pack of zealots and forget about them late game. With no charge, it makes them much weaker unless you micro them
3. Vikings do +2 or +4 vs massive units. Makes the huge Colossus and Tempest numbers easier to deal with lategame. How many times have we lost to killing everything except the 6 Colossus down to 2 and there is no ground army left? It takes over 10 Vikings at 3/3 to kill more than 3 colossus at 3/3 fast enough to matter. Not to mention how many snipes Stalkers can get with blink. Broodlords would suffer a bit but they are barely used anyways. Corruptors/Mutas are good vs Vikings anyways. BCs in the lategame would also be easier to deal with in TvT
4. Make Zealots HP 80 and its shields 70. This makes EMP more effective which is a big complaint of mine. Zealots only lose 50 shield per EMP. Its cost ineffective.
Stalkers at least have 80/80 split so its worth it.
5. Nerf MSC which is what most people pretty much agree on.
Thats pretty much it from my end. Would make the matchup much more dynamic. What do you guys think?
unknownstranger
Member
Been messing around with builds some. Think my favorite is 15 hatch, 16 pool, 15 gas.