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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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Just watched it too. And yeah, that annoyed me as well. They tried to give Dota too much credit by not mentioning the games that came before it. Overall it was pretty well done, though.
Blizzard's new community manager on Blink play:
Sounds like they're moving in the right direction.
Although, another poster brings a good point related to why Blink itself may/should need to be nerfed directly:
Then again, increasing the cost/research time of Blink could solve the issue entirely. Protoss almost always get it based on a timing/all-in. You extend the amount of time it takes for it to be complete, giving Terrans more chance to get Stim, may Combat Shields and more bunkers, and its success rate of said timings and all-ins should go down.
The fact that Chrono Boost exists makes it ridiculous that Blink takes the same amount of base time to research as Stim. I wish they would just up the research time to 210-240 or the cost to 200/200 and just try it on a balance map for crying out loud.
David Ortiz (Psione said:
Sounds like they're moving in the right direction.
Although, another poster brings a good point related to why Blink itself may/should need to be nerfed directly:
Then again, increasing the cost/research time of Blink could solve the issue entirely. Protoss almost always get it based on a timing/all-in. You extend the amount of time it takes for it to be complete, giving Terrans more chance to get Stim, may Combat Shields and more bunkers, and its success rate of said timings and all-ins should go down.
The fact that Chrono Boost exists makes it ridiculous that Blink takes the same amount of base time to research as Stim. I wish they would just up the research time to 210-240 or the cost to 200/200 and just try it on a balance map for crying out loud.
A Reddit poster suggested moving Time Warp up the tech tree. Either make it researchable at one of the T2 buildings, maybe even the Cybercore, or make it a Mothership exclusive.
At some point, Blizzard has to ask themselves why it's always a toss abiliity the maps need to be balanced around. The bandaid race.
At some point, Blizzard has to ask themselves why it's always a toss abiliity the maps need to be balanced around. The bandaid race.
I really like this idea. Seriously though, the MSC doesn't need all three abilities upon spawning to be effective. Even if it just had PO upon spawning, it'd still be worth making every game.
AdventureRacing
Member
The problem is like so many other suggestions this would be game breaking. I agree with you and i can think of a few other changes that can really help but they require basically reworking the protoss race. Blizzard just won't do it.
Pretty strange considering DOTA itself spawned from another competitive game.
So what does everyone think about the whole Thorin thing?
He was getting death threats and was taken off ESM, sponsired contacted Redeye because of the comments made here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4wVBu7n6aw&feature=youtu.be&t=6m45s
Apparently he also faced accusations or racism which I do not understand?
He was getting death threats and was taken off ESM, sponsired contacted Redeye because of the comments made here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4wVBu7n6aw&feature=youtu.be&t=6m45s
Apparently he also faced accusations or racism which I do not understand?
well i dont completely remember but i do remember that i was offended by his rant and im not even polish
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/iem-world-championship-best-moments/
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/iem-world-championship-best-moments/
unknownstranger
Member
Random guess on the map pool next season.
Yeonsu - stays (one I'm the least sure of)
Polar Night - gone
Frost - gone (although I think it's one of the better balanced maps)
Daedalus Point - gone (although I don't think current version is that bad)
Heavy Rain - stays
Habitation Station - altered or gone
Alterzim Stronghold - stays
Yeonsu - stays (one I'm the least sure of)
Polar Night - gone
Frost - gone (although I think it's one of the better balanced maps)
Daedalus Point - gone (although I don't think current version is that bad)
Heavy Rain - stays
Habitation Station - altered or gone
Alterzim Stronghold - stays
Brood War was mentionined multiple times, and League wasn't anywhere near as big (competitively) then as it is now.
AdventureRacing
Member
It's pretty easy really if you just mass diamond backs. You don't even have to engage those marauder groups walking around. Having a full bunker in your main helps with those attacks they do in the middle as well.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
That is exactly what I did. I even got a ghost nuke one train for shits and giggles. I just hated the whole design of the mission. So many forced timing/engagement gimmick missions in this campaign. It's so stupidly linear, not so much hand-holding as drag-you-by-the-hand.
AdventureRacing
Member
I agree i tend to hate those sort of missions. I also don't really like the odin escort mission. At least it's fairly easy once you know what you're doing though.
Train mission? I thought it was kind of cool. On Normal. I can't recall if i played it on Hard, i played many missions on Hard but at some point i gave up (might have been final mission).
That said, i don't like time-limited missions generally speaking. Hearth of the Swarm has even more such missions. I want to build my army and take time doing it and then sweep the map at once.
That said, i don't like time-limited missions generally speaking. Hearth of the Swarm has even more such missions. I want to build my army and take time doing it and then sweep the map at once.
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I hope Alterzim stays. We've seen some of the funnest games on that map and it's reasonably balanced for all matchups.
I read that Blizzard LOVES Frost. It's gonna turn into the next Bel'Shir Vestige. I expect it to be in the map pool for the entirety of WCS 2014.
Not officially but we should all restate our ID at some point so we can all actually add one another.
Intel Extreme Masters Season 8 mashup
Even though the end of Season VIII was fairly anti-climactic, the scope of an IEM season is like no other.
Even though the end of Season VIII was fairly anti-climactic, the scope of an IEM season is like no other.
In practice I think Time Warp is usually the lynchpin of very strong timing attacks, but it's not an absolute necessity like early game photon overcharge or the ability to recall. Moving Time Warp later in the tech tree should let the MSC do what it is ostensibly meant for: scout, support early aggression, defend early aggression. The thing it wouldn't be able to do is give an inexpensive turbo boost to blink and immortal all-ins.
I hate how trial and error the missions are in WoL, most of them are barely even RTS (or rather do not have economic management being a part of the focus)
I'm trying to think where the latter is actually the case.
CnC series, nope (just keep the tiberium coming, no different from Starcraft 2). CnC Generals, nope. Starcraft 1, nope. Warcraft 3, nope.
EDIT this is, assuming normal difficulty.
I never found WoL (or HotS) missions to be trial and error.
Generally speaking the Woorloog-standard, turtle and build an army works well (and if it doesn't, i don't actually like the mission, a few exceptions aside).
Miss the CnC Tiberian Dawn idiot AI from other games though, its inability to destroy walls was hilarious.
(My friend has different style of play, usually favors a small, long range attack group, and that works well according to him. Perhaps he is more micro-focused, not sure.)
AdventureRacing
Member
I misread your post lol. Personally i would be fine if they removed the ability all together. It adds very little excitement to the game but has so much room to be a broken ability. I also really hate the nexus cannon. It's low skill and discourages harass and engagement between the 2 players. I feel like despite being fun at times the MSC has just added a host of annoying things into the game (being stuck as terran with barely any marines and an MSC in your base is annoying as fuck).
Like many protoss units it needs an overhaul.
unknownstranger
Member
AdventureRacing
Member
Problem is if you just want to do whatever the fuck you want you probably shouldn't sign a contract for a team that has obligations to their sponsors. This is one of the biggest tournaments in SC2, is it unreasonable for them to want their best and most popular player to actually show up? He makes it sound like he was being victimized when really he was just being held to his contractually agreements more likely.
Hopefully we can get more foreigners to be competitive who aren't complete douchebags about it.
And yet again tried to blame it on technical failings of the tournament organisers. At least be honest about your reasons for quitting.
Hopefully we can get more foreigners to be competitive who aren't complete douchebags about it.
And yet again tried to blame it on technical failings of the tournament organisers. At least be honest about your reasons for quitting.
You sure it wasn't just a random crash?
Preach.
NaNiwa really is the biggest clown in the SC2 scene. Hope he doesn't return.
Crimsonlink
Member
ROFLMAO Nani actually said that?
I think a lot of foreigners have already surpassed him actually. Well at least the form he showed recently. Which isn't hard considering all you have to do is not forfeit. lol
But seriously Bunny is become the new Lucifron with HerOMarine and TLO with Scarlett stands at the top of foreign zergs. Protoss is protoss, too many good ones to count.
I think a lot of foreigners have already surpassed him actually. Well at least the form he showed recently. Which isn't hard considering all you have to do is not forfeit. lol
But seriously Bunny is become the new Lucifron with HerOMarine and TLO with Scarlett stands at the top of foreign zergs. Protoss is protoss, too many good ones to count.
Thorin on EG:
EG/Alliance is such a disgusting organisation. They reverse-engineer their ethical/moral stance based on what they want to do.
https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/446959178972532736
I am sure we will hear about it on unfiltered.
EG/Alliance is such a disgusting organisation. They reverse-engineer their ethical/moral stance based on what they want to do.
https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/446959178972532736
I am sure we will hear about it on unfiltered.
I dunno. He is extremely talented, and I would not be surprised if he (rightly so) attributes his more recent form to having pulled a tasteless. I do think it that he is extremely shitty for doing what he has done, but I have always found it hard to not rout for him since he is such an odd duck in the scene, and is capable of beating Koreans. I do wonder what emotional dysfunctions he has, but even TB has said that he is actually a good guy, just very volatile emotionally.
Acti
Member
Naniwa released from Alliance following events at IEM Katowice
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
Acti
Member
That fuckin' attitude...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GM5VdjJTDmQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7urYfA4kJI
I don't care if he's the best EU or WORLD player, I despise him for that type of behave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GM5VdjJTDmQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7urYfA4kJI
I don't care if he's the best EU or WORLD player, I despise him for that type of behave.
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