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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT3| GL HF NO GG
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so everything is good except the rax nerf :/I really don't understand the Barracks timing nerf, experimenting with it on PTR, terran early game seems a bit unrefined. Doesn't really seem to help with the 2 rax much either, so hoping it gets removed. BFH changes are fine, they still are the same v lings but worker genocides don't happen that often now.
PvP has gotten soo much better with the blink nerf and the Vision nerf. Robo is a lot more viable now (the blink nerf isn't that bad).
Going to experiment with zerg now.
i like the bfh hellion change, my scv won't die to 2 shots now and i can still kill lings easily.
Zerg doesn't really seem much different barring a huge fungal change in ZvT ultras are still pretty bad (but now you get them faster..Good for Dimaga and Coca I guess). Though the Drone change is awesome. Overseer change is quite welcome though, however it's early game scouting that's needed not mid game.
Fungal nerf means that fungal no longer out dps's the medivac's heal.
Fungal nerf means that fungal no longer out dps's the medivac's heal.
FieryBalrog
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TheoryCraftBigAT said:
So far this is a pretty great patch: I'll give you the reasonings for some of them.
Like:
Immortal Buff
Warp Prism Buff
Blue Flame Helion Nerf : They were pretty ridiculous, I mean it was fun at Anaheim while they were BBQing drones and SCVs up (thankfully mech is bad in TvP), but when even Korean progamers have severe difficulty dealing with them something had to be done; it was far too punishing for the defender and too easy to execute for the attacker
Drone Buff
Overseer Buff
Sentry Buff
4 gate PvP nerf
Blink Nerf
Dislike:
Fungal Nerf: Completely wrong way to balance it imo. The problem with fungal wasn't the DPS, it was the chain fungals. Zerg needs a cost effective way of dealing with marines (no banelings aren't cost effective in pro levels) and fungal was pretty good. The problem was that it screwed up everything else with chain fungals.
Barracks nerf: No idea why they put it in, 11/11 and 12/14 don't really seem to be changed by it at all, maybe they were tired of fixing bunkers? (Honestly the easiest way to fix 2 rax and 1/1/1 is to do something about marines. Not bunkers or Barracks)
Apathetic/Can't comment:
Ultra buff: Good for people who use them I guess.
Mothership buff: Still a pretty worthless unit.
Contaminate Nerf: I don't main as Zerg, so I have no idea why they did that? Maybe Mass contaminate was too poweful in ZvZ?
Like:
Immortal Buff
Warp Prism Buff
Blue Flame Helion Nerf : They were pretty ridiculous, I mean it was fun at Anaheim while they were BBQing drones and SCVs up (thankfully mech is bad in TvP), but when even Korean progamers have severe difficulty dealing with them something had to be done; it was far too punishing for the defender and too easy to execute for the attacker
Drone Buff
Overseer Buff
Sentry Buff
4 gate PvP nerf
Blink Nerf
Dislike:
Fungal Nerf: Completely wrong way to balance it imo. The problem with fungal wasn't the DPS, it was the chain fungals. Zerg needs a cost effective way of dealing with marines (no banelings aren't cost effective in pro levels) and fungal was pretty good. The problem was that it screwed up everything else with chain fungals.
Barracks nerf: No idea why they put it in, 11/11 and 12/14 don't really seem to be changed by it at all, maybe they were tired of fixing bunkers? (Honestly the easiest way to fix 2 rax and 1/1/1 is to do something about marines. Not bunkers or Barracks)
Apathetic/Can't comment:
Ultra buff: Good for people who use them I guess.
Mothership buff: Still a pretty worthless unit.
Contaminate Nerf: I don't main as Zerg, so I have no idea why they did that? Maybe Mass contaminate was too poweful in ZvZ?
Guys, stop looking for reasons for contaminate nerf..it is obviously not for the current Overseers. It is because Overseer costs will be nerfed, and wit the new Overseer cost and the old Contaminate cost, it would be easy even in midgame in ANY matchup to simply go inside a base, mass contaminate, fly out, then repeat. NOTHING can be done about it, as you cant make units.
ShallNoiseUpon
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Hugoboss21 said:
Sentry Guardian Shield now correctly reduces damage from Hellion, Void ray, and Colossus attacks as well as the Siege Tank's sieged attack.
Hugo - guardian sheild thing.
That might have been their intention but that's not how it turned out lol. It's the same situation with the PvP patch, it didn't do much in PvP but instead nerfed early protoss agression pretty badly. ZvZ turned into roach infestor wars instead of helping mutas. It may have been designed for ZvP and ZvZ but actually it balanced ZvT quite a bit (as seen by the spike in ZvT win rates so now it's around 50-50). The infestor broodlord combo kind of screwed the balance of it though.
Q8D3vil said:
That might have been their intention but that's not how it turned out lol. It's the same situation with the PvP patch, it didn't do much in PvP but instead nerfed early protoss agression pretty badly. ZvZ turned into roach infestor wars instead of helping mutas. It may have been designed for ZvP and ZvZ but actually it balanced ZvT quite a bit (as seen by the spike in ZvT win rates so now it's around 50-50). The infestor broodlord combo kind of screwed the balance of it though.
FieryBalrog
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Cheaper overseers make sense and will hopefully expand zerg's early-mid-game scouting options by quite a bit.
Early game scouting is still a bit problematic vs. Terran.
Early game scouting is still a bit problematic vs. Terran.
Boken said:
It'd be unlikely that the Terran only has one medivac too though.. I don't really have the theorycraft - I just tested it in game on the PTR with some of my practice partners and medivacs seemed to be able to out heal Fungal's DPS pretty significantly. (using 3-4 medivacs which is pretty standard in terran compositions) (and I assume 7.5 v 9 isn't helping)
Q8D3vil said:
I really don't care if it's basically like storm...Infestors can still do Neural, belch out Infested Terrans, and burrow. They're obviously the best caster in the game by far.
Heck, I'd be fine if they removed the root effect and made it so units can't attack while fungal is in effect. But I don't think you'd need to do that though, because you can run out of a storm, but fungal would still "stick" to the units and the full damage gets dealt even if you retreat.
Hugoboss21 said:
Yup Guardian Sheilds affect the immortal after hardened sheilds (I have no idea why, makes no sense visually). So Hardened sheilds reduce to 10 and the GS reduces to 8.
Sheild upgrades on the other hand take effect before HS. So a sheild upgrade would reduce from 33-32 and then HS would reduce to 10.
ShallNoiseUpon
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Man, today's episode of Project A made me feel really bad for Yellow.
PhoenixDark
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ShallNoiseUpon said:
What happened lol. I'm at work
ShallNoiseUpon
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a176 said:
The entire scene with him and his coaches out for BBQ you could tell how disappointed the guy was. Not to mention I'm a huge fan of Yellow.
PhoenixDark said:
He meets with
Nestea
I'm really looking forward to next weeks episode. At least he acknowledged how badly he got schooled and how unprepared he was.ShallNoiseUpon said:
There was a post on SC2 Reddit that purported to show that Yellow had hit Master's league on the KR server. Hope that was true.
ShallNoiseUpon
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Pandaman said:
PhoenixDark
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Does it seem like Yellow is actually interested in the show? I watched the first two episodes, and it seemed more like he was just doing this as a favor, or for money. Boxer seems to genuinely believe Yellow can be a solid player if he tries, although I'd imagine he holds that position on most good BW pros.
i was being nice, because the korean sample is the most favourable for terran.Jeff-DSA said:
in the international sample, zerg has never surpassed terran in zvt winrates:
http://i.imgur.com/uaVuw.png
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