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[The Take Out Bandit]

This thread is for those of us, typically American gamers, who grew up on cool ass co-op and versus arcade games that are craving that thrill from on-line consoles.

I'm sick and tired of all the cheerleading over Socom and Halo setting on-line gaming records, which are still a freakin' drop in the damned bucket of overall sales numbers for those respective titles.

Do you honestly think next generation will see more developers, Japanese in particular, acknowledging the fact that outside of the TINY ISLAND GODZILLA WILL STOMP INTO A MUDHOLE arcades are dead thanks to consoles?

Let's get this out of the way first:

<Troll> HAW! MOOOOOOVE 2 JAPN! </Troll>

F' you no.

It sickens me that consoles are doing nothing different from PC's when it comes to on-line games. I don't buy the excuse that the genres I'm interested in are "dead", or that the on-line infrastructure won't support them, or that Company X has magical fairy dust that will make your Internet connection "better" through vague general marketing terms.

You can't tell me that if Capcom were to make a new Street Fighter game designed from the ground up for competitive on-line play, that the Internet as we know it would not cease to be! Good god, we would be punching each other in the face; instead of looking at naked pictures of Chun Li and Rose at 4chan.

ZOMGWTF!?

Co-op on-line shooters?

Beat'em ups?

God damn it, DEVELOPERS! DON'T MAKE ME KILL YOU! >:|

Big middle fingers all around until the damned on-line console training wheels come off. >:|

 

[ToyMachine228]

I'm pretty happy with it...I've been playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live pretty much every day since November 9th. And with the Revolution and DS's new online features, and Xbox 360's Live service expanding...I'm pretty hyped on online gaming.

 

[Shogmaster]

With every new post, I fear for TTOB's sanity.....

 

[Johnas]

This thread is for those of us, typically American gamers, who grew up on cool ass co-op and versus arcade games that are craving that thrill from on-line consoles.

I'm sick and tired of all the cheerleading over Socom and Halo setting on-line gaming records, which are still a freakin' drop in the damned bucket of overall sales numbers for those respective titles.

Do you honestly think next generation will see more developers, Japanese in particular, acknowledging the fact that outside of the TINY ISLAND GODZILLA WILL STOMP INTO A MUDHOLE arcades are dead thanks to consoles?

Let's get this out of the way first:

<Troll> HAW! MOOOOOOVE 2 JAPN! </Troll>

F' you no.

It sickens me that consoles are doing nothing different from PC's when it comes to on-line games. I don't buy the excuse that the genres I'm interested in are "dead", or that the on-line infrastructure won't support them, or that Company X has magical fairy dust that will make your Internet connection "better" through vague general marketing terms.

You can't tell me that if Capcom were to make a new Street Fighter game designed from the ground up for competitive on-line play, that the Internet as we know it would not cease to be! Good god, we would be punching each other in the face; instead of looking at naked pictures of Chun Li and Rose at 4chan.

ZOMGWTF!?

Co-op on-line shooters?

Beat'em ups?

God damn it, DEVELOPERS! DON'T MAKE ME KILL YOU! >:|

Big middle fingers all around until the damned on-line console training wheels come off. >:|

So what you're saying is your pissed?

I still refrain from online console gaming due to all the negativity that surrounds it. For every good experience I read about 100 bad ones due to cheating, etc. I know I'm missing out on some good gaming, to a degree, but it just doesn't sound worth the extra $ and the hassle.

Just from observation though, I generally agree with what you're saying. It seems like it's confined to a few genres.

 

[krypt0nian]

There were local arcades open at 2am?

halo2 is my always-there buddy.

 

[DCX]

I would love to see Monopoly online or have Jepordy, Wheel of Fortune...bring back Chu Chu/Monkey Ball mini games online...the online genre needs a kick in the ass...i don't want to play just racing and shooting games...

DCX

 

[Gahiggidy]

As someone who's never played online games, I can attest to being thoroughly unimpressed with the experience.

Online gaming is a fad (for now).

 

[Wario64]

:lol

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Console online is awesome if you love FPS's and Action games in general like me. I'm plenty happy with it thank you very much

 

[krypt0nian]

As someone who's never played online games, I can attest to being thoroughly unimpressed with the experience.

Its a fad... for now.

I too have never eaten Shark Soup, but I am as certain as you that it tastes bad.

 

[VALIS]

What are you talking about with "co-op and versus arcade games we grew up on"? There weren't many 2p simultaneous or co-op games. Captain America and the Avengers? Xenophobe? Double Dragon? Combatribes? Fun games. So build/buy yourself a cabinet and play 'em with friends via MAME. Versus and co-op has never been a huge thing.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I just got off of Halo 2 about 15 minutes ago. Online gaming is tailored for someone like me. Wife, 2 kids whom are 5 year old twin girls. I can't pick up the controller and tell the wife 'C'mon, let's go kickass in Halo. Likewise for my daughters. My wife and I play Super Monkey Ball together, Mario Party games and Hot Shots Golf Fore together, but the online experience kicks ass. I used to gather at my friends homes when we were younger and play Goldeneye till 4 in the morning. Obviously being older, I can't just up and do that. I'm married and coming in at 4 in the morning doesn't fly right in a marriage. So, I'll stay up at my house till those type of hours, still getting the same rush of euphoria. I thought it was a gimmick too. Not anymore

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Versus and co-op has never been a huge thing.

DUR DUR DUR - anecdotal evidence!

Welcome the Ignore List, shitbag.

 

[krypt0nian]

DUR DUR DUR - anecdotal evidence!

Welcome the Ignore List, shitbag.

Banned before E3? That's sinful!

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Banned before E3? That's sinful!

Eat me. Mod Fluffing is no less self indulgent than openly calling a turd a turd.

To claim competitive and co-op gaming was never a factor in arcades was to have been born yesterday, or to have had your head up your ass through all of the 1990's. =_=

You ask me, on-line play could be the bandage all the "Wah! Wah! 2D is dead" crybabies need. So long as it gives me content I want to play on-line.

I've been playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live pretty much every day since November 9th.

Halo 2 is indicative of the Status Quo. If I wanted a damned FPS, I'D BUY A GAMING PC! I wouldn't be getting conned out of $50 annually and I could aim properly.

 

[VALIS]

DUR DUR DUR - anecdotal evidence!

Welcome the Ignore List, shitbag.

Mine is anecdotal evidence? Your post is about as well thought out as a 6th grade book report written half an hour before it's due. Leave the grandstanding up to Drinky Crow, who does it a lot better.

 

[krypt0nian]

Eat me. Mod Fluffing is no less self indulgent than openly calling a turd a turd.

You are a scary lady. And mean too.

 

[trmas]

I miss the days of playing games like TMNT in the arcade. Fun times.

 

[VALIS]

To claim competitive and co-op gaming was never a factor in arcades was to have been born yesterday, or to have had your head up your ass through all of the 1990's. =_=

Tell me then. What were the great 2p simultaneous and versus games? Fighting games? Those are online, or at least starting to appear online more and more. I'm just not sure what you're referring to.

 

[Fatghost]

There were local arcades open at 2am?

halo2 is my always-there buddy.

There are local arcades to me that are open 24 hours.


But I agree with TToB. Capcom made a move in the right direction with CvS2 and SF3 Live for Xbox, but implemented it poorly.

Online co-op Gradius V would have been sweet. Online co-op Metal Slug? Viewtiful Joe? a Streets of Rage or Final Fight revival (although Spikeout Battle Street is somewhat like that now).

 

[krypt0nian]

There are local arcades to me that are open 24 hours.

How does that apply to me?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

IIRC, the latest arcade open here was 3AM. Of course, it was a dark and smoke filled cesspit that would asphyxiate you. It had the benefit of being a pool hall, so that drew in business as well.

Yeah, as much as I loved arcades - I can't say I miss the busted joysticks / buttons, cigarette burns and mystery liquids on the cabinets, or the god damned smoke. Please cigarette companies, kill your clients faster. Our irresponsible society will continue spewing addicts to fund your empire.

 

[Hotsuma]

I agree with what you're saying about online gaming on consoles. Xbox Live is great on paper, but there is not a huge variety of games to make the service special to me. Why can't games like the Metal Slug collections have online play? People rag on Spikeout Battlestreet's graphics and the whatnot, but at least it's a fun co-op game to play. I hope that there are a wider variety of online games that make use of co-op play on Xbox 360.

Versus mode is cool sometime, but what about having games where you have to work with others to complete something? PSO's Challenge Mode was great, but few online games offer anything like that.

 

[TheQueen'sOwn]

I'm waiting for Nintendo to do it right.

 

[demi]

TTOB come over and let's play co-op

 

[Ranger X]

Online co-op Gradius V and a Streets of Rage or Final Fight revival

I would be completely sold and so freakin owned.

 

[AstroLad]

I don't really play games online very much, and when I have recently it's been something like Halo 2 where I beat n00bs and then get bumped up some levels and proceed to get slaughtered since the game's been out for months. It's very difficult to overcome that curve; online gaming really makes you realize that almost every major game has a large group of people that play it as a full-time job or more. Really the only current-gen game I could probably hang with anyone on, including online weirdoes, is Winning Eleven since I've played the series non-stop for the past five years and of course that's the one sports game that isn't online in North America.

My suggestion for the other games? Keep entire rooms full of people that I can beat all the time. Sure maybe they get me once in a while, make it interesting, but I am the DOMINATER when I need to be. I'm not quite sure how anyone could pull that off, but maybe that's part of Nintendo's big REVOLUTION.

 

[Lyte Edge]

At least we are getting some of the genres TToB is ranting about online. There are a number of fighting games now playable online, and for BEU games, there's Spikeout.

The problem is that barely anyone ever plays these titles online; everyone is just playing FPS, RTS, and MMORPG games nowadays. I go online in some of the Xbox Live titles I have and often find NO ONE on no matter what the time of day.

 

[Artanisix]

Online sucks and will continue to suck for fighting games. So no, I am not happy with online gaming yet. I probably never will be. However, I'm all hokey pokey with it because going to tournaments and owning scrubs in person and laughing in their face (IN PERSON) is so much more satisfying than talking smack and owning scrubs through an online service. Online gaming can't imitate real life for us fighters at heart.

One can compare this to LAN parties. Anyone who has been to a LAN party knows how those are so much more fun than playing through, say, XBox Live.


I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I'm just not satisfied with online gaming.

EDIT:: The reason online gaming sucks for fighting game is because that tournament play in any fighting game requires pinpoint reaction times and zero lag whatsoever. Just one frame of lag can ruin a counter or a dodge, thus destroying the whole point of playing the game at tournament level.

 

[aperfectt00l]

I'm waiting for Nintendo to do it right.

i have my doubts about that...if all these rumors are correct then more power to them but i have a feeling that if it is free and all that nonsence then there will be some kind of catch...i would love for them to proove me wrong though.

 

[DCX]

I miss the days of playing games like TMNT in the arcade. Fun times.

His point is having the option to play a game like TMNT at home co-op online Would kick ass too.

DCX

 

[Dr_Cogent]

With every new post, I fear for TTOB's sanity.....

I find his posts pretty damn worthless if you ask me.

All he ever seems to do is bitch like an old lady.

Pretty soon he'll just have everyone on ignore, so then I wonder - what's the point in posting here?

:lol

 

[demi]

I find his posts pretty damn worthless if you ask me.

All he ever seems to do is bitch like an old lady.

At least he puts more thought into his posts.

Spoiler

unlike maf

there's only so many poor jokes i can come up with ttob!

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Spoiler

unlike maf

He's a raving lunatic. :lol

Go ahead, put me on ignore. See if I give a damn. :lol

 

[Spike]

I'm waiting for Nintendo to do it right.

Me too. Except that Live 360 will be free for the weekends, the wait for Nintendo's online plan just got a whole lot easier.

 

[krypt0nian]

The Take Out Bandit
has you on ignore



LOL Can't be more perfect.

Me too. Except that Live 360 will be free for the weekends, the wait for Nintendo's online plan just got a whole lot easier.

Except its not every weekend but "periodic Gold level weekends"

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Versus mode is cool sometime, but what about having games where you have to work with others to complete something?

I totally agree. Disregard any sour graping about being owned in Socom or Halo, and just get down to the fact that too many on-line games are about Player A versus Player B.

I don't play sports games, but I think it would be f'ing awesome that instead of having a single player control a team in a basketball game, if you could connect with five of your friends and play as a team. I don't know if somebody has already done that, but it wasn't done the last time I looked.

Cooperative play in general needs to representation on-line.

I'm waiting for Nintendo to do it right.

If Nintendo doesn't punk out on their whole "free online games" claim, that would be fabulous. However I'm really not banking on them. Unless Iwata is really a radical visionary, and not just a finger puppet for Yamauchi.

Free on-line gaming should be the standard. Most games don't require downloadable content. All we need are more on-line genres to prove this. God knows, beating Final Fight in the arcade didn't stop my friends and I from going back and switching characters, or using wacky criteria to continue playing the game.

You shouldn't need to dangle a carrot in front of "gamers". A gamer plays games because they're fun.

There are a number of fighting games now playable online, and for BEU games, there's Spikeout.

The problem is that barely anyone ever plays these titles online; everyone is just playing FPS, RTS, and MMORPG games nowadays. I go online in some of the Xbox Live titles I have and often find NO ONE on no matter what the time of day.

I dunno Lyte, in general I'm a bit pissed off that these games are relegated to the Xbox because of Microsoft's on-line gaming with training wheels for dullard Japanese developers. If Japanese developers are going to ignore on-line gaming because their arcade industry is still healthy, and will only make on-line content with it's subsidized by MS; I'm going to have to book a flight to Japan and burn down some arcades. >:|

And I'll get my Fifth Weapon by killing Itagaki and securing the Tecmo offices.

I don't get it. There are on-line PS2 games of the sort I'm interested in available in Japan, and it all gets lost in the translation because of a lack of confidence, or because the developer sucks a fat wang.

So no, I am not happy with online gaming yet. I probably never will be. However, I'm all hokey pokey with it because going to tournaments and owning scrubs in person and laughing in their face (IN PERSON) is so much more satisfying than talking smack and owning scrubs through an online service.

You know, if all of America was Sunnyvale or New York - I'd agree. But that super massive volcano hasn't taken care of that problem yet. So there's a huge discrepancy in the availability of thriving arcades.

It's not that arcades are a bad idea. It's that they're dead to most gamers, and only the most fanatically insane gamers will travel cross country to play Street Fighter. Screw that dude. Just give me an on-line fighter. Even if it means changing the rules of how fighting games are currently developed; fucking go for it! It justifies that stupid term people love throwing around called - innovation.

TTOB come over and let's play co-op

I know that when I get down to Dayton, or whatever the hell it is - you'll just laugh and go; "YOU ARE TRICKED! YOU ARE REAL DORK!" and then I'll burn down your house.