bob_arctor
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Using my vast and unchecked powers, I've still yet to come up with a suitable knock-knock joke in response to this.
Supreme Court backs police no-knock searches
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Using my vast and unchecked powers, I've still yet to come up with a suitable knock-knock joke in response to this.
bob_arctor
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Willco said:
I agree with you in theory. But then I think about all the asshole cops out there working poor neighborhoods and it just looks like a free pass for abuse. At the very least, I can see a huge uptick in civil suits.
AlanHemberger
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Didn't you know Willco? They're going to pay off judges to beat up poor black and hispanic folks for shits and giggles.Willco said:
bob_arctor said:
They still have to get a warrant.
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. Sometimes knocking can be bad, sometimes it can be deadly.
If you have a warrant to search a house for a murder suspect, you don't want to knock--either giving them a warning to escape, or load their shotgun.
This is a surprisingly sensible decision from the USSC.
bob_arctor
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AlanHemberger said:
Look, I'm not screaming Henny Penny here, I'm just saying that the potential for such things already exists, so why make it even easier?
AdmiralViscen
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So they announce themselves and wait 3-4 seconds instead of 15-20 seconds. Less time for the person inside to grab a gun or run out seems ok to me.
It's not warrantless.
It's not warrantless.
bob_arctor
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Nerevar said:
This is where I'm at on this issue. I can see advantages but the whole "privacy of home", or lack thereof, concerns me. It puts the onus on fighting abuses squarely on the citizen.
SteveMeister
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Next step -- the Homeland Security "Automatic" Warrant based on suspicion of terrorist activities.
After that -- "Automatic" Warrant extends to all anti-American activities and sentiment
After that -- jackbooted thugs barging into our homes arresting us for any arbitrary reason the government feels is necessary for the security of the Nation.
After that -- "Automatic" Warrant extends to all anti-American activities and sentiment
After that -- jackbooted thugs barging into our homes arresting us for any arbitrary reason the government feels is necessary for the security of the Nation.
AdmiralViscen
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Nerevar said:
O RLY
bob_arctor
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Willco said:
I am not arguing against those things. I am arguing about the level of ****-ups this can lead to. Wrong address? Oops, sorry about barging in. A little Crazy Glue should work on the door frame. Wrong address? Oops, sorry about--HOLY SHIT HE'S GOT A GUN!
AlanHemberger
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I figure this would probably happen anyways. Here's how it would go down in your world:
*knock knock*
"This is the Police! Were here for Chris Johnson!"
"Chris Johnson doesn't live here!"
"LIAR! HE'S RUNNING! KICK THAT SHIT IN!"
*THUD*
"AHHhhhhhhh"
"GET DOWN BITCHES! WHERE'S CHRIS?!"
...or something like that.
bob_arctor said:
Yes, because I'm sure being forced to knock on doors spared the lives of so many innocents that harassed due to the police getting the wrong address.
And, yes, I'm sure the police have made mistakes on addresses before. They're human. But that's like saying that you shouldn't fly an airplane because it could crash.
AlanHemberger
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Here we go again, bob_arctor taking on the world (or gaf).
You didn't like mine?
AdmiralViscen
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bob_arctor said:
Yea and if they knock and wait 15 seconds this can't happen.
AlanHemberger
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:lol It's okay, yours made me think of Training Day.ronito said:
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
God bless America!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/15/broadcasting.fines.reut/index.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush Thursday signed into law legislation that raises fines tenfold on radio and television broadcasters that violate U.S. decency standards by airing extensive profanity or sexual content.
Wow, I use to wonder how people were would let their countries slip to facist states, now I'm witnessing it first hand
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/15/broadcasting.fines.reut/index.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush Thursday signed into law legislation that raises fines tenfold on radio and television broadcasters that violate U.S. decency standards by airing extensive profanity or sexual content.
Wow, I use to wonder how people were would let their countries slip to facist states, now I'm witnessing it first hand
AlanHemberger
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"Donald, can we go McDonalds after this???"
Doc Holliday said:God bless America!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/15/broadcasting.fines.reut/index.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush Thursday signed into law legislation that raises fines tenfold on radio and television broadcasters that violate U.S. decency standards by airing extensive profanity or sexual content.
Wow, I use to wonder how people were would let their countries slip to facist states, now I'm witnessing it first hand
Of all the items to try and pin towards a slide towards fascism, you pick indecency fines.....come on man, at least make your conspiracy theories with better evidence, there's gotta be tons of better bills to pick.
happyfunball
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Doc Holliday said:God bless America!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/15/broadcasting.fines.reut/index.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush Thursday signed into law legislation that raises fines tenfold on radio and television broadcasters that violate U.S. decency standards by airing extensive profanity or sexual content.
Wow, I use to wonder how people were would let their countries slip to facist states, now I'm witnessing it first hand
Thank GOD they are limiting sex and bad words and keeping all the violence intact. I was worried about our society for a moment there.
Woohoo!! We have a war going on and what do we get? Flag burning admendment, anti gay right admendment and now this! Huzzah!!! Well at least they left the violence. That's the american way, decapitatinon shows about murder or molestation=OK, nipslip=OH MY GAWSH HOW DARE YOU?!!Doc Holliday said:God bless America!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/15/broadcasting.fines.reut/index.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush Thursday signed into law legislation that raises fines tenfold on radio and television broadcasters that violate U.S. decency standards by airing extensive profanity or sexual content.
Wow, I use to wonder how people were would let their countries slip to facist states, now I'm witnessing it first hand
Guileless
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Lawyer-speak ahead for those of you who want to read it:
This does not affect the legitimacy of the 'knock and announce' rule per se. The government (in this case the state of Michigan) conceded that the knock and announce rule was violated. The issue here was whether the exclusionary rule should apply to keep out any evidence obtained in cases where the rule is violated.
The majority ruled that the exclusionary rule should not work in these cases to exclude evidence because to do so would encourage a massive flood of similar allegations. In other words, every criminal defendant who had evidence taken from his house would claim that the knock and announce rule was not followed and so the evidence should be excluded. The majority think that civil rights suits will be sufficient to deter police misconduct in regards to knocking and announcing.
This does not affect the legitimacy of the 'knock and announce' rule per se. The government (in this case the state of Michigan) conceded that the knock and announce rule was violated. The issue here was whether the exclusionary rule should apply to keep out any evidence obtained in cases where the rule is violated.
The majority ruled that the exclusionary rule should not work in these cases to exclude evidence because to do so would encourage a massive flood of similar allegations. In other words, every criminal defendant who had evidence taken from his house would claim that the knock and announce rule was not followed and so the evidence should be excluded. The majority think that civil rights suits will be sufficient to deter police misconduct in regards to knocking and announcing.
Doc Holliday said:
Oh, how this pisses me off. This bill was signed with the thought that the only broadcasters in America are major TV and radio networks. If a small community or college radio station gets hit with a fine like that, they're doomed. And, while these stations try very hard to stay within FCC guidelines, mistakes do happen. This is particularly rough considering the FCC currently makes it's decisions about violations internally and the first an offending station may know about the issue is when the FCC shows up and gives them a fine. Thanks to vague guidelines for indecency and obscenity, broadcasters may well be playing material that seems perfectly legitimate, only to have the FCC lay down an astonishingly large fine out of nowhere.
Thank you very much, you contemptable scumbags. Argh.
FnordChan
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Really though the knock rule to me is a safety issue. If you have an unknown party kicking in your door I sure as hell would grab a weapon and be ready to use it. At the same time you have no assurances it is the police so I could see this leading to a lot of *misunderstandings*
bob_arctor
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AlanHemberger said:
I like this one:
Just kidding on that, I'm not that "IS THIS HOW DEMOCRACY DIES??". Really. I am also not in vehement disagreement with this ruling, more "Hmm. Seems kinda iffy." Everything seems iffy to me in the midst of this Administration. How long has the "knock and announce" been in effect?
ronito said:
I'd expect for them not to make it even easier for this stuff to happen. And for the love of Pete, I do not want to take on the world or GAF. I'm not trying to piss off or annoy anybody here just for the hell of it.
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