That Metal Gear Solid 2 AI speech keeps getting more and more real by the day

Tiago Rodrigues

Tiago Rodrigues

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I remember back in the earlier days of social media sharing this video with my friends and saying how prophetic it all was since some stuff was becoming real.

Came back to watch it today in 2025, now with AI everywhere and i still can't believe we had a video game released in 2001, written in the late 90's with a script like this.

Not only is this part really well written, everything is basically our lives nowadays. It's crazy when you think about it. Now that everything is AI, it's even more "real" than it was 10, 15 years ago.

Kind of crazy and always worth coming back to.

"You have to beLIEve me"
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:


I remember back in the earlier days of social media sharing this video with my friends and it saying how prophetic it all was since some stuff was becoming real.

Came back to watch it today in 2025, now with AI everywhere and i still can't believe we had a video game released in 2001, written in the late 90's with a script like this.

Not only is this part really well written, everything is basically our lives nowadays. It's crazy when you think about it. Now that everything is AI, it's even more "real" than it was 10, 15 years ago.

Kind of crazy and always worth coming back to.

"You have to beLIEve me"
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"Whenever OD comes out, he'll read all the tweets, watch the YouTube videos, scan all the reviews. But the reception won't matter to him then. Kojima is confident enough to know the legacy of his body of work will be defined much later. "The real evaluations come after—10 or 20 years from now," he says."
 
Not only AI, but now governments trying to pass bills worldwide censoring Internet, using "protect children" as an excuse. We're close to having a real life Patriots AI governing us.
 
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Judge Magister said:
I completely disagree with the idea, that seems to be established now, that Kojima was always bad at writing.

MGS series had some genius stuff. MGS2 is a masterpiece and imo the most relevant MGS game.
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The theory among many MGS fans was that Kojima changed his writing after MGS2 because people misunderstood the game which pretty much explains why he bluntly slaps you over the head with his themes in his later games instead of being subtle. I tend to agree.
 
Yeah its great but it sucks how 95% of the online discussion of mgs2 is just about the story. The gameplay is really fun too, especially the Substance missions, but most players just skip them. They play the story mode once and thats it :(

People will make a 3 hour youtube essay on the game without mentioning the vr missions once lmao
 
_Ex_ said:
Kojima came up with none of these ideas.
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I don't know what's up with everyone constantly trying to undermine Kojima's contributions to gaming and now even his own gams but it's weird how that has been going on for the past few years.

5 more years and you all will be saying everything was done by ghost-writers, ghost-producers etc and he was at home or something. The game was written by 2 people and he was one of them...and you say "none of these ideas" were his? Really?
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
I don't know what's up with everyone constantly trying to undermine Kojima's contributions to gaming and now even his own gams but it's weird how that has been going on for the past few years.

5 more years and you all will be saying everything was done by ghost-writers, ghost-producers etc and he was at home or something. The game was written by 2 people and he was one of them...and you say "none of these ideas" were his? Really?
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Kojima is a great game designer and good manager of game development studios. He is an awful writer and not particularly great at directing cutscenes because his pacing is awful. He also wears his influences on his sleeve but I'm not about to spend an hour my life breaking down where every one of those ideas in the video you posted originally came from, but I will tell you Kojima didn't come up with them.
 
Funny how every kojima praise is his old shit when he had all the talent at konami working for him. Lets see the fans defend MGS V and death stranding so I can have a good laugh.
 
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UltimaKilo said:
It's 2025, we don't really have AI… We have LLMs. Maybe in 10 years we'll have AI.

Secondly, I'm not sitting through 12 minutes.
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Of course we don't have real Ai, I doubt we will ever have one but machine learning is enough to disrupt our lives in a major way. MGS2 was way ahead of its time with this stuff, not to mention all that government thought control is pretty much real as well (at least in UK).
 
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Rush2112 said:
Funny how every kojima praise is his old shit when he had all the talent at konami working for him. Lets see the fans defend MGS V and death stranding so I can have a good laugh.
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The man released Death Stranding in 2019 and a few months later we went through a pandemic that closed down the world. The game is literally about connecting the USA and everyone living in isolation. There were even articles about it back then so...the answer might be a yes.
 
Metal Gear Solid 2 one of those very few games where you love it or don't get it.

As goofy as much of Kojima's games might look, but if you can read between the lines you understand what aspects of reality and human nature he touches and predicts.

Similarly true for a few other games like Silent Hill 2, TLOU2 and also Metal Gear Solid V (which to be fair is extremely hard to actually understand emotionally if you are not a pretty die hard fan having played every single entry. And some parts of it were sadly botched due to the power struggles of Konami family and Kojima's rising influence within Konami). So I also don't rate MGS V a 10/10, but for me it had the right impact of ending the series with a certain pain.
 
LLMs replacing search engines is doing exactly what the game has predicted, it's interpreting and giving the context it wants to the information and facts, it doesn't even present sources in a reliable way.
 
The true science fiction is that anyone in the government has anything remotely close to the level of understanding of technology necessary to develop AGI. They can't even use phones properly. I mean, have you ever seen a college professor try to work a fucking media cart?
 
Valonquar said:
The true science fiction is that anyone in the government has anything remotely close to the level of understanding of technology necessary to develop AGI. They can't even use phones properly. I mean, have you ever seen a college professor try to work a fucking media cart?
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In the game it isn't the government though if I recall that sets it up but the La Li Lu Le Lo. Basically the Illuminati. Using all their massive resources and shadow organizations etc set up this level of control without ever being known to the public.

It's not a stretch that AI could be controlling a vast portion of the media we get, and more, behind the scenes by an Illuminati type organization.
 
AI isn't controlling people, on the contrary, governments all over the world are desperate because modern tech gives the common person too much freedom, so they are trying to censor everything (AI, social media, videogames etc)
 
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AI isn't controlling people, on the contrary, governments all over the world are desperate because modern tech gives the common person too much freedom, so they are trying to censor everything (AI, social media, videogames etc)
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Counter point to this, its no secret that more advanced models made by these companies are utilized for the government before a more lighter and censored model becomes available to the public, such as Open AI's Strawberry model.
 
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Sub_Level said:
Yeah its great but it sucks how 95% of the online discussion of mgs2 is just about the story. The gameplay is really fun too, especially the Substance missions, but most players just skip them. They play the story mode once and thats it :(

People will make a 3 hour youtube essay on the game without mentioning the vr missions once lmao
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I used to play the VR missions pretty much exclusively ... ALL. THE. TIME. lol.

Finished the story once and then kept replaying the VR missions.
 
struggler_guts said:
Oh dang, I'm just now remembering I only beat 1, 3, and 4. Does 2 end with you finding out your whole team you've been talking to through the codec were just an AI?!
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Sort of. One character is revealed explicitly to be an AI, while the love interest is a little more ambiguous and left up to player interpretation.
 
Bojji said:
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Of course we don't have real Ai, I doubt we will ever have one but machine learning is enough to disrupt our lives in a major way. MGS2 was way ahead of its time with this stuff, not to mention all that government thought control is pretty much real as well (at least in UK).
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I don't know that I agree with the "never" narrative, but it certainly doesn't seem likely in the next 10 years. 20, 30, 40, 80, 100+ years? More than likely. I was just responding to OP.
 
_Ex_ said:
Kojima is a great game designer and good manager of game development studios. He is an awful writer and not particularly great at directing cutscenes because his pacing is awful. He also wears his influences on his sleeve but I'm not about to spend an hour my life breaking down where every one of those ideas in the video you posted originally came from, but I will tell you Kojima didn't come up with them.
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I love Kojima so I'm biased but Kojima is not a good manager of game development studios. If he was, he wouldn't have been kicked out from Konami. He is a fucking star and his name sells so he gets a lot more support from publishers because they know they will see a return on their investment and is very unlikely that even a very novel and strange concept like DS will bomb, just because of Kojima. I really doubt anyone but him or someone at his level could have gotten the financial backup he got to make a game like DS. I also think it would have tanked without his participation (I wouldn't have bought it because the concept itself didn't sound appealing but I wanted to support him).

That said, what is the reason to hold from attributing MGS2 ideas to Kojima? Why do you think he didn't write any of that? I'm interested in learning more about this but it's kind of a moot point given that despite who came up with those ideas it was Kojima who decided to include them in the game and I think it would be a stretch (to say the least) not to see how prophetic those concepts are, specially coming right at the beginning of the age we are currently living. The motherfuckers (whoever they were) even had fucking Arsenal gear crashing with the twin towers before 9/11. That's an amazing coincidence. Talking about AI filtering information to chose what should survive for next generations from among all the noise in the web can't be a coincidence and that's amazing.

If you mean that he got ideas from other works, it's most likely like that in some way or fashion. That guy consumes media like crazy.

I would challenge you to tell me about a game with novel concepts like this that turned out to be relevant 20 years later (and if you can, let's make sure they are 100% original).

His cutscenes are definitely on the longer side and that's part of his style and the kind of shit his fans like. Lacking cutscenes that gave story cohersion was one of the most common MGSV's criticisms (despite having amazing gameplay).
 
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