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[Edmond Dantès]

Last time I checked, Kamui had twice the points at the end of the season.

Like. A. Webber.

Looking at the points is half the story, and a very myopic thing to do. You have to look at all the evidence presented. And with the evidence available to us, that isn't team telemetry; it suggests that Kobayahi is slower over a single lap, but has a slight experience and racecraft advantage. That will dissipate as Perez gains more experience. Where does that leave Kobayashi?

 

[Scuderia]

Has there been much said about the supposed New Jersey race for 2013?

I'd definitely be going to that.

 

[DD]

2012 grid girls

 

[brotkasten]

Looking at the points is half the story, and a very myopic thing to do. You have to look at all the evidence presented. And with the evidence available to us, that isn't team telemetry; it suggests that Kobayahi is slower over a single lap, but has a slight experience and racecraft advantage. That will dissipate as Perez gains more experience. Where does that leave Kobayashi?

But at the end of a season, points matter. It's not about beautiful overtaking or fastest laps. It's about the end-result. And I'm not even convinced that Perez got the talent. At least Kobayashi had an impressive season, Perez' season was nothing like DiResta's for example. But hey, there must be a reason for Ferrari's interest in him.

You know, besides the money.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

STR's livery looks more vibrant this year.

 

[Lucius86]

I love days like these. Can't keep away from this thread, even though I currently have a server on fire*.

* May not actually be on fire, but it is causing major heartache for my customer atm - oh well.

 

[John_B]

McLaren to introduce new nose by Melbourne.

 

[brotkasten]

McLaren to introduce new nose by Melbourne.

That would be hilarious.

 

[Lucius86]

McLaren to introduce new nose by Melbourne.

Source?

 

[Adamm]

Speaking of awful designs. Have you seen HRTs new logo?

What is this? I dont even

 

[Staab]

Speaking of awful designs. Have you seen HRTs new logo?

What is this? I dont even

Looks like a Tilke grand prix track.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

But at the end of a season, points matter. It's not about beautiful overtaking or fastest laps. It's about the end-result. And I'm not even convinced that Perez got the talent. At least Kobayashi had an impressive season, Perez' season was nothing like DiResta's for example. But hey, there must be a reason for Ferrari's interest in him.

You know, besides the money.

That's the thing: Perez doesn't seem to be anything but a tier two driver at best from what we've seen of him so far. There hasn't been any bona fide flashes of genius. We've seen other drivers at this stage of their F1 careers (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Button, Schumacher etc.) produce moments of sheer brilliance, that have given us an indication of their supreme talent and potential. We saw those moments with Kobayashi and it gave a lot of people hope that he might be something special. Another driver in the same vein as Montoya (without the attitude problem), who was willing to take risks and to laugh in the face of the established hierarchy, just as Montoya did when he first went toe to toe with Schumacher many moons ago. The point being that the Kobayashi we wanted has failed to materialize. He's stagnated at Sauber and he must do something to put himself back on the radar of the top teams.

 

[Omiee]

cant wait for the rb8, half an hour right guys?

i dont care how it looks i will love it anyway

 

[Edmond Dantès]

cant wait for the rb8, half an hour right guys?

i dont care how it looks i will love it anyway

Yes.

 

[Lucius86]

cant wait for the rb8, half an hour right guys?

i dont care how it looks i will love it anyway

Course you will - you're Omiee!

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Follow the launch here

http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Red-Bull-Racing/001242807156063

 

[Omiee]

Course you will - you're Omiee!

just like you'll keep getting turned on by webber even when is 65

 

[bobnowhere]

McLaren to introduce new nose by Melbourne.

Can they, I thought the chassis had already been homologated when it passed the crash tests and they have had to lower the front end of the chassis to compensate for the smooth transition to the nose. Unless they can come up with a really good excuse, they could be screwed.

 

[John_B]

Source?

I'm just speculating. Everyone else is running the same nose. Last year McLaren had a special exhaust system for test, but ended up with a Red Bull exhaust in Melbourne.

 

[Lucius86]

just like you'll keep getting turned on by webber even when is 65

Damn straight.

 

[Shaneus]

cant wait for the rb8, half an hour right guys?

i dont care how it looks i will love it anyway

I was about to fire up some porn before I went to bed. But I can wait a few more minutes.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

OUCH! that Sauber!! *vomits*

 

[S. L.]

Can they, I thought the chassis had already been homologated when it passed the crash tests and they have had to lower the front end of the chassis to compensate for the smooth transition to the nose. Unless they can come up with a really good excuse, they could be screwed.

they can re-homologate until the first race

 

[dalin80]

You guys are presuming mclaren even want the new nose, the front of the chassis and nose is a fair bit different in other ways and was last year as well.

 

[Osiris]

OUCH! that Sauber!! *vomits*

Indeed, horrific, it's the "Homer" of F1 2012.

 

[Adamm]

I really hope red bull make a poor car this year.
I want see vettel fighting for 5th/6th on the grid, so we can see what a driver he really is!

 

[Psychotext]

RB8: http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/The-RB8-Revealed…-021243158945543

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I really hope red bull make a poor car this year.
I want see vettel fighting for 5th/6th on the grid, so we can see what a driver he really is!

It would be better if the top three were on par with each other. That would be s true test of ability for Vettel and the others.

 

[Omiee]

I really hope red bull make a poor car this year.
I want see vettel fighting for 5th/6th on the grid, so we can see what a driver he really is!

thats a terrible thought to have.

vettel will surely dominate again !!



EDIT: it looks sooooooooooooooo gooooooooooood!!

 

[Shaneus]

http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/The-RB8-Revealed…-021243158945543

 

[Psychotext]

How have they managed to make that dip look better than everyone else?

 

[Staab]

Shit, that nose is even more drastic than the Caterham :O

 

[brotkasten]

Not as ugly as the Ferrari, hahaha. What?

 

[prettyvacant77]

RB8: http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/The-RB8-Revealed…-021243158945543

Eeewwwww fugly nose

 

[Shaneus]

How have they managed to make that dip look better than everyone else?

They modeled it on Webber's chin, obviously.

 

[Adamm]

Cant see the video at work! Give me pictures!!!!

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Not as pronounced as the others.

 

[Omiee]

so marco was talking shit.

it looks almost the same as the ferrari nose.

 

[modulaire]

Doesn't look much better than the rest. Ugly nose.

 

[brotkasten]

so marco was talking shit.

it looks almost the same as the ferrari nose.

Showing it in a dark room with some flashy lights sure helps. It's probably the equivalent of pulling a paper bag over some ugly girls head.

Not as pronounced as the others.

Is that an intake?

 

[Psychotext]

Not sure I agree, I think the car look a hell of a lot better than the Ferrari overall.

Edit - I guess it could be the paper bag effect.

 

[Shaneus]

so marco was talking shit.

it looks almost the same as the ferrari nose.

Pretty much. But I think that improving dat hump makes a massive difference. On the other cars, it just looks like they're following the regulations as close as they can, a la "Okay, so at this point we can go this much higher. So go this much higher, then!". RB8 at least looks a bit classier in that regard.

 

[S. L.]

the bump doesn't even remotely look like the ferrari one.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

 

[S. L.]

also no exhaust pics, booo

 

[Edmond Dantès]

 

[Osiris]

Ewwwwww!

No likey!

 

[Adamm]

Needs some studio pics

 

[Shaneus]

Clearly they're not showing the #2 car yet because they haven't finished sabotaging it.

 

[bobnowhere]

Can't wait to see a proper picture, but it almost looks like the pitot tube is mounted on some sort of cross member between the ridges. Very strange and horrendously ugly.