Tommie Hu$tle
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Luscious LeftFoot
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Thanks for reminding me, I have to pick this up.
I listened to it briefly the other day. As far as beats go, it's far more consistant than their last effort "Phrenology". Didn't focus too much on lyrical content, but it's the roots... they don't make bad music.
4/5
I listened to it briefly the other day. As far as beats go, it's far more consistant than their last effort "Phrenology". Didn't focus too much on lyrical content, but it's the roots... they don't make bad music.
4/5
Tommie Hu$tle
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Luscious LeftFoot said:
I saw Phrenology as more of an experiment than a real album.
The Faceless Master
Member
the tipping point is awesome...
but also
FUCKING TIGHT
but also
FUCKING TIGHT
Saint Cornelius
Banned
I thought Phrenology was dope. :/
I haven't heard TTP yet but man, that first single ("Don't See Us"?) is the worst thing they've ever made.
I haven't heard TTP yet but man, that first single ("Don't See Us"?) is the worst thing they've ever made.
ZootedGranny
Member
Black Thought kills it on most of the tracks, outside of that I wasn't digging it. The end of the album is very strong though, with my favorite tracks "The Web," "Stay Cool," and "Why."
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
The album is great up until like the 5th track... Then it's straight garbage. The Roots will never do an album better than...
Their one and only classic IMO.
Their one and only classic IMO.
Fresh Prince
Banned
I dunno, I thought the album really hit it's straps after the second half. IMO the only track I wasn't feeling was Don't Say Nuttin'. Black Thought's back on I felt, but the beats felt very sparse...if that meant any sense. I think Questlove went for a more commercial sound....
No way, you're saying Do You Want More?!!!??! wasn't a classic? Illadelphalflife isn't a bad album, but actually I saw it as the beginning of the falloff for the Roots... Their previous disc blew it away.DaCocoBrova said:The album is great up until like the 5th track... Then it's straight garbage. The Roots will never do an album better than...
Their one and only classic IMO.
I'd say it's not nearly as good as the un-topable Do You Want More?!!!??! or even their first effort Organix.
Listen to this, then tell me that Things Fall Apart or Phrenology aren't letdowns compared to it.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
^^
Can't agree with you.
To me, a classic album is long, every track listenable, and all tracks have the same level of overall quality.
By that definition, Do You Want More?!? just doesn't make classic status IMO. I find Illadelph to be way more timeless. Truthfully, I didn't really like Illadelph on first listen, but grew to adore it.
Can't agree with you.
To me, a classic album is long, every track listenable, and all tracks have the same level of overall quality.
By that definition, Do You Want More?!? just doesn't make classic status IMO. I find Illadelph to be way more timeless. Truthfully, I didn't really like Illadelph on first listen, but grew to adore it.
Saint Cornelius
Banned
Honestly, I think
was The Roots' finest moment, and their most cohesive listening experience.
I mean, their live shows are fucking incredible, and their albums have some moments... but to sit down and listen to a whole album of theirs (with the exception of TFA) is just not appealing to me at all. One could make a fly compilation of their best tracks though, no doubt!
I can't even bring myself to listen to TTP, with all the things people have been saying about it :/
TFA is not a letdown compared to it.
was The Roots' finest moment, and their most cohesive listening experience.
I mean, their live shows are fucking incredible, and their albums have some moments... but to sit down and listen to a whole album of theirs (with the exception of TFA) is just not appealing to me at all. One could make a fly compilation of their best tracks though, no doubt!
I can't even bring myself to listen to TTP, with all the things people have been saying about it :/
Teddman said:
TFA is not a letdown compared to it.
Cite a track on DYWM that sucks... The album is great through and through. Illadelph marked a transition to a more traditional hip hop style, with Quest trying to be less improvisational and more drum-machine like in his beats. I remember reading that in the liner notes or an interview.DaCocoBrova said:
While Illadelph had tremendous tracks like "What They Do" and "Push up Ya Lighter," overall it had some routine-sounding hip hop tracks that didn't match up.
I agree with Saint Cornelius that most Roots' albums just aren't that consistent all the way through... Ever since "Do You Want More."
Their live shows are just OK now. They're incredible if they are taping for TV with a full band or if they're really up for it. Back when they had Malik B. and Rahzel, that was when there were a really great live band.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
The Tipping Point like Phrenology is an experiment. A good one i might add. Like the Neptunes and Outkast ( and lots of others less know ) The Roots are trying to mutate hip hop into something new ( Less bling bling, less big car, .... ).
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Teddman said:
Things Fall Apart is definitely not a letdown. Not with tracks like:
Ain't Sayin' Nothin' New
Adrenaline
The Next Movement
Double Trouble
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
I want more live instrumentation! That's what the Roots are about. There's no show like a Roots show. Why they can't just press the got damn shows on a disc and sell them instead baffles me.
I just don't like their studio sh!t half as much.
I just don't like their studio sh!t half as much.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Illadelph's 'Hypnotic' alone puts it over their other work IMO. Illadelph is also their only real 'smoked out' LP. It's just more my flavor of music.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I'll weigh in too. It has been a disappointment.
I find myself hoping that it'll grow on me, much like how The Love Below grew on me so quickly even though I had never really heard anything like it. I'm sure there are other albums that I had to digest first or even songs too. But I'm just don't find myself too interested in hearing the whole album thru. I wonder if lazyness has settled into Thought's lyrics. He barely can come up with even the slightest bit of energy, except for a few songs and I would say his style is getting old to me. Flaws that I overlooked in the past I'm having trouble dismissing now. Like how he never ventures off into unknown messages besides boasting about his skills. That's the norm for most MCs but after so many albums, you have to expect something new. I always gave The Roots credit for innovation on the musical aspects but now, on this album, it's pretty lacking in innovation. Some are great and I can't think of the names but the one without a hook and I think it was simple, with just a drum and one or two other instruments and he starts killing it. But quite a few other tracks seemed boring to me. It's still a nice album but lacking in only 10 tracks, where quite a few fall short.
While I've been listening to it for the past week or so, I started to think about how many songs and albums have grown on me. I started to wonder about all the forces that allow me to accept albums and songs. Like Jay-Z. The Black Album, is good but depending on my mood, I might trash it for reminding me that Jay just wants to live on the throne of sales and publicity but not so much on lyrical skills. I guess lyrics isn't what he's lacking in but the message is tired. But when ever 99 Problems or a few other tracks that I originally dismissed comes on the radio, I find myself bobbing my head. Then I catch myself ignoring my initial problems with the album and continue to bob my head...and buy his albums even though his only great albums have been Reasonable Doubts and The Blueprint. Others have been great but to sum up, his career has been built on sales. Like how great every Final Fantasy or Mario is, just cuz they rack up the sales. Yeah, they are better than 90% of what's out there but each one isn't a kiss from Jesus.
The only thing that encourages me from my doubts that extraneous factors are influencing my listening habits is how quickly I pick up on great albums. I originally listened to The Love Below and College Dropout with hesitation but now looking back on both of them, they have been some of the better albums I've listened to in a long time. For different reasons, I enjoyed those for my own reasons. Even though they both had a ton of hype, I can ignore the MTV view cuz I don't watch it. I don't really watch videos consistently and the only thing I've been listening while in the car has been Howard Stern and Wendy Williams (BTW, that show last week where Brandy's 'ex-husband' confirmed they were never married and Brandy was just a trap, side piece who just happened to get pregnant and he was pressured by the family to fake the marriage was off the hook.) So I don't think anything but being great lead me to listen to both those albums. Kanye has the beats down pat and is a competent and I would say decent lyricist. And there are quite a few different messages besides money, hoes and clothes that always gets points from me. It wraps up into a great album.
Meanwhile, The Love Below plays to all my hopes of music moving away from the norm. Great lyrics, great theme, great production, Dre doing something he hasn't done before, moving hiphop and Black music in a great direction...all reasons it was my top album of the past few years.
Either way, this was my rant that's been cooking in my head for awhile. It'll be interesting how The Tipping Point ages over the next month or so. Right now, I'm skipping a lot of songs and the whole album, at times, to go back to listening to College Dropout, The Love Below and Speakerboxx.
Off topic Edit:After typing that in one sitting right now, it's like the screen is so small and I seem so far away. That must mean I've been at this screen for too long. It's almost like I'm looking at the screen from binoculars. I have to go look at TV. Doesn't help that my monitor is at 1152 X 864.
Oh, and all these great Alicia Keys songs make me wanna pick it up. Great voice. I want to marry her.
I find myself hoping that it'll grow on me, much like how The Love Below grew on me so quickly even though I had never really heard anything like it. I'm sure there are other albums that I had to digest first or even songs too. But I'm just don't find myself too interested in hearing the whole album thru. I wonder if lazyness has settled into Thought's lyrics. He barely can come up with even the slightest bit of energy, except for a few songs and I would say his style is getting old to me. Flaws that I overlooked in the past I'm having trouble dismissing now. Like how he never ventures off into unknown messages besides boasting about his skills. That's the norm for most MCs but after so many albums, you have to expect something new. I always gave The Roots credit for innovation on the musical aspects but now, on this album, it's pretty lacking in innovation. Some are great and I can't think of the names but the one without a hook and I think it was simple, with just a drum and one or two other instruments and he starts killing it. But quite a few other tracks seemed boring to me. It's still a nice album but lacking in only 10 tracks, where quite a few fall short.
While I've been listening to it for the past week or so, I started to think about how many songs and albums have grown on me. I started to wonder about all the forces that allow me to accept albums and songs. Like Jay-Z. The Black Album, is good but depending on my mood, I might trash it for reminding me that Jay just wants to live on the throne of sales and publicity but not so much on lyrical skills. I guess lyrics isn't what he's lacking in but the message is tired. But when ever 99 Problems or a few other tracks that I originally dismissed comes on the radio, I find myself bobbing my head. Then I catch myself ignoring my initial problems with the album and continue to bob my head...and buy his albums even though his only great albums have been Reasonable Doubts and The Blueprint. Others have been great but to sum up, his career has been built on sales. Like how great every Final Fantasy or Mario is, just cuz they rack up the sales. Yeah, they are better than 90% of what's out there but each one isn't a kiss from Jesus.
The only thing that encourages me from my doubts that extraneous factors are influencing my listening habits is how quickly I pick up on great albums. I originally listened to The Love Below and College Dropout with hesitation but now looking back on both of them, they have been some of the better albums I've listened to in a long time. For different reasons, I enjoyed those for my own reasons. Even though they both had a ton of hype, I can ignore the MTV view cuz I don't watch it. I don't really watch videos consistently and the only thing I've been listening while in the car has been Howard Stern and Wendy Williams (BTW, that show last week where Brandy's 'ex-husband' confirmed they were never married and Brandy was just a trap, side piece who just happened to get pregnant and he was pressured by the family to fake the marriage was off the hook.) So I don't think anything but being great lead me to listen to both those albums. Kanye has the beats down pat and is a competent and I would say decent lyricist. And there are quite a few different messages besides money, hoes and clothes that always gets points from me. It wraps up into a great album.
Meanwhile, The Love Below plays to all my hopes of music moving away from the norm. Great lyrics, great theme, great production, Dre doing something he hasn't done before, moving hiphop and Black music in a great direction...all reasons it was my top album of the past few years.
Either way, this was my rant that's been cooking in my head for awhile. It'll be interesting how The Tipping Point ages over the next month or so. Right now, I'm skipping a lot of songs and the whole album, at times, to go back to listening to College Dropout, The Love Below and Speakerboxx.
Off topic Edit:After typing that in one sitting right now, it's like the screen is so small and I seem so far away. That must mean I've been at this screen for too long. It's almost like I'm looking at the screen from binoculars. I have to go look at TV. Doesn't help that my monitor is at 1152 X 864.
Oh, and all these great Alicia Keys songs make me wanna pick it up. Great voice. I want to marry her.
Reviving this topic!
The Tipping Point is a decent album. "Why (What's Going on?)" is the best track on the entire CD, IMO, followed by the hidden Dave Chappele track at the end.
Don't Say Nothin' is a good track when you've got it bumpin' really loud. It isn't what I was expecting from The Roots though. I'd say a 7/10 because of 2-3 great tracks like 'Why?'.
The Tipping Point is a decent album. "Why (What's Going on?)" is the best track on the entire CD, IMO, followed by the hidden Dave Chappele track at the end.
Don't Say Nothin' is a good track when you've got it bumpin' really loud. It isn't what I was expecting from The Roots though. I'd say a 7/10 because of 2-3 great tracks like 'Why?'.
Tommie Hu$tle
Member
Check out Devin the Dude. It's no Roots but great in its on right.
The Interrobanger
Member
I'll be picking up this album within the next couple of days. Things Fall Apart is my favorite Roots album, if only for "You Got Me".
VPhys said:
Break it down - eh, say whu man?, not essay w human.
Anyway, it grew on me. Unlike Phrenology, which II felt was just a mess, this one swings in the other direction - very minimalist as far as instruments go, letting Black Thought and ?love do what they needed to. It's not my favorite album, or my favorite Roots album, but it's certainly interesting.
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Hah. One of my favorite groups. Do You Want More....was indeed their best momment (I've tried, but can't listen to Organix in one sitting. Not bad by not great) And don't forget the million-and-one remixes to Proceed. 
Illadelph and Things Fall Apart I can listen to and have in my changer every so often, but after is a toss up. Phrenology while still better than other albums just is meh to me and I don't care for Tipping Point outside of the single. I need to give it another chance, but oh well.
By the way, did anyone hear about Dave Chappelles concert in Brooklyn?? Talib, Common, dead prez, Bady, Jill Scott and the reunion of The Fugees?!!? I was so pissed I had to work as a girlfriend of mine got tickets too. Can't wait till Chappelle puts that out on DVD.
Illadelph and Things Fall Apart I can listen to and have in my changer every so often, but after is a toss up. Phrenology while still better than other albums just is meh to me and I don't care for Tipping Point outside of the single. I need to give it another chance, but oh well.
By the way, did anyone hear about Dave Chappelles concert in Brooklyn?? Talib, Common, dead prez, Bady, Jill Scott and the reunion of The Fugees?!!? I was so pissed I had to work as a girlfriend of mine got tickets too. Can't wait till Chappelle puts that out on DVD.
Fresh Prince
Banned
Nearly a month on and only the second half sparks my interest.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Damn this post is a blast from the past.
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