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The Simpsons 17th Season

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This is just disgusting. I just watched the first episode of the new Simpsons season and it's just a 20 minute pain. I mean I'm up to the point where I don't even blame the producers of the show anymore. They want to continue making money, sure. I think the real people being responsible for this mess are the actors doing the voice overs. How the hell can they continue producing this utter shite? Don't they have some kind of quality standard? Don't they realize the decline of the show in the last several years? Are they so fucking greedy for more 200k dollars per show? These people disgust me and believe me if I ever come across one of them I'll slap them in the face!

The last good season was the 8th and from there it was downhill. Jesus, I can't imagine there are now more bad seasons then good ones. Soon people will forget what The Simpsons once stood for. When all they had is recycled and shat upon for the 100th time. What a shame.
 
You blame the producers for wanting to make money, but then you ignore that the actors would also want to make money?

Huh?

Seriously though... I'd like to thank the Simpsons for putting an end to Futurama... before the show jumped the shark, for enabling that show to recieve a solid and respectful end, rather than have it drag out on and on.
It might've ended a little too soon, but it's preferable this way IMO to having it lose its class and charm in its latter years as with the Simpsons.
 
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As long as people continue to watch the show and it continues to make money, they'll keep pooping episodes out. I haven't watched the series in years, and the few new episodes I've caught have done little do change my mind, but obviously there's still very much an audience for it. Don't like it, don't watch it.
 
Im just watching because im affraid they wont tell me when Ricky Gervais' episode is on and i'll miss it.
 
Zaptruder said:
You blame the producers for wanting to make money, but then you ignore that the actors would also want to make money?
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Usually actors have more of an "artistic responsibility" then those money grabbing producers.
 
I agree, especially your point concerning the voice actors. I've read / heard numerous interviews with Harry Shearer (Mr Burn et al.) who claims he will leave the show if the quality of the writting doesnt improve, but i guess his fat $200,000 per episode cheque made this dissatifaction slip from his mind... until he requests a larger cheque that is. The latest seasons are terrible, and not just in comparison to the 'classic' seasons. As a Tv show it simply isnt funny or entertaining, it has become a joke. I dread to think what the film may turn out like.
 
I wouldn't put all the blame on the voice actors though they seem to overdo their voices now. I think the root of the problem is that all the good writers have left the show now.
 
I enjoyed many episodes from the 15th season, and actually I would say enjoyed the majority (51%) of the episodes from the 16th season. Sunday's episode WAS the epitome of everything that has sucked for the past 6-7 years, from the stupid plotline, the stupid ending clip that made no sense, the stupid beginning clip that barely setup the main plotline, etc. Yes, I hated it (actually hated all of fox sunday night).

But I will still tune in. Enjoyed much of last season. Yes they are out of their heyday, but I mean I genuinely laughed out loud at much of last season.

eeh..
 
Personally, the only good part of the episode was the out of place and pointless ending with Mr. Burns and Smithers washing a Manatee. That is SAD.

Julie Kavner is my big issue in terms of voices. I think that Dan's Homer is more or less still spot on, but everyone else seems to be slipping (Except Azaria, who is also not quite phoning it in yet).
 
I still hear people on the radio and TV saying that the show hasn't lost its charm and how they're amazed at how brilliant it still is after 16 seasons. :(
 
My guess is this 17th season premiere was a holdover from the 16th season, and was an episode nobody put any effort into. I'm not ready to write off the entire season just yet, but it was an extremely poor decision to make this episode a season premiere. It sucked.

There were some great episodes in the 16th that gave me hope - personal favorites were the gay marriage and perscription drug episodes. And that one where Albert Brooks shows up.
 
Rorschach said:
I still hear people on the radio and TV saying that the show hasn't lost its charm and how they're amazed at how brilliant it still is after 16 seasons. :(
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In my experience, most people that say this, when grilled about it, turn out to be watching it in syndication and are only watching new episodes very rarely, if at all.
 
I don't think I've watched a full episode of The Simpsons since season 12 when it really started to go downhill in the first couple episodes. It's too painful.
 
There have been a few good episodes in recent years...I bet I could count them on one hand though. The rest are an absolute bore and an insult to the show when it was in its prime (s2-s9, IMO)

The show sucks now, and it'll never be able to live up to its previous high standards. That's if they wanted to. Which they don't.
 
explodet said:
There were some great episodes in the 16th that gave me hope - personal favorites were the gay marriage and perscription drug episodes. And that one where Albert Brooks shows up.
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finally. someone who agrees. other favorites are Sleeping with the Enemy, Mommy Beerest, The Heartbroke Kid, A Star is Torn and Thank God It's Doomsday (personal favorites of the season), etc.

Definitely a dud this week, but hopefully they have some great shows coming up this season like they did last.

I agree that most episodes in a season are usually bad (except maybe last which might be close). I think most people who bash the simpsons though fall under people who stopped watching it years ago. They might switch to the occassional new episode (which odss are usually above 50% that it will stink), but for the most part haven't watched the show in years.

it's too bad though, because there have been some great episodes over the past couple of years. if you say the simpsons will never be that great again, you obviously haven't watched EVERY episode of the recent seasons, otherwise you would see there HAVE been episodes that are as good as the best seasons.

Simple Simpson and Thank God It's Dommsday are perfect examples. Those episodes would have fit in perfectly in the 3rd thru 8th seasons
 
I thought there were few good ones last season, the episode where Bart got fat from vending machines come to mind. The parody of The Simpsons' opening was brilliant!
 
Can't remember which season it was (since Sky mess it up so often) but I loved the episode where Bart makes a robot, and it's just Homer inside a box :lol Funniest episode I'd seen in years and as good as anything from series 4-6, IMO
 
there was one good part about the episode though. the beginning was rather great with the porn crew and carl and lenny.

Carl: "Cool!! We just stopped over to get some boardgames but we'll take this instead."

Carl: "I have a tattoo on my thigh. Is that going to be a copyright problem?"
Director: "Don't worry, it will be covered up by 5 mens' hands."
 
I actually think the show had improved the previous two seasons but this was just like the shit between the 10th and 14th seasons. I would say 9th but it had some good'ens in there as well.

At least you can watch the good episodes whenever you want on DVD. I forgot how good S6 was.
 
My episode from last season is the one where Bart starts his T-Shirt business and then becomes the breadwinner. This leads to Homer and Lisa growing closer together.

Homer(To Lisa): You and Science go together like Lenny and Karl. *Whispers* Karl is the science.

That cracked me up for at least a couple of days. The episode on the whole was well put together, funny, and none of the characters seemed like caricatures.
 
123rl said:
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That's pretty funny.
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it was the only part :(

like others are saying, we'll have to see how the season pans out hopefully we'll get some great episodes.

let's not forget Treehouse of Horror XIV with Reeper Madness, Frinkinstein, and Stop the World, I Want to Goof Of.. Three of the greatest THoH skits of all time.
 
I think those who still like some episodes don't understand that the Simpsons now and the Simpsons season 1 - 8 differ in a fundamental way. It's not about some cheap laughs, it's about morals, heart and a story. Nobody can deny that the old Simpsons and the new ones are just different. Where the old were sweet and smart the new ones are just loud and stupid. No way an oldschool fan may like any new episode. Just. not. possible.
 
umm. I watched the Tracey Ullman episodes specifically because I knew some skits were going to be done by the cartoonist of Life is Hell. And I like many new episodes. so your point is null.

Hell, by the time I actually started working in a comic shop at 16 (during third season mind you) Bart Simpson shirts were already being clearanced out and passe.
 
Something that really bugged me about the episode was that this was yet another "Homer does something, they fight, Marge leaves." The later seasons have had a lot of fighting between Homer and Marge.

In the older seasons, even though Homer did dumb things, Marge never seemed to take it very seriously (or did anything serious about it), and they didn't fight nearly as much. Now, she leaves the family in every other episode they have an argument. Tiresome.
 
TheTurtleTitan said:
Something that really bugged me about the episode was that this was yet another "Homer does something, they fight, Marge leaves." The later seasons have had a lot of fighting between Homer and Marge.

In the older seasons, even though Homer did dumb things, Marge never seemed to take it very seriously (or did anything serious about it), and they didn't fight nearly as much. Now, she leaves the family in every other episode they have an argument. Tiresome.
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That's because she's as tired of the goddamn family as we are.
 
The new episodes I find are much better as reruns. I think so many people harshly judge each new episode and hold it up to the season 2-8 standard everyone loves. There are some good laughs in the new episodes, despite the characters being shells of their former selves.
 
AniHawk said:
The new episodes I find are much better as reruns. I think so many people harshly judge each new episode and hold it up to the season 2-8 standard everyone loves. There are some good laughs in the new episodes, despite the characters being shells of their former selves.
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Season 2, 3, and 5 kind of sucked. It was just boring and tame compared to S4 and S6, which in my noodle, are the best seasons.

The problem what I noticed is that the old episodes had a lot more wit. In the newer ones, its more "in your face" style of comedy. Comedy where you don't have to really think. Its there. Compare that to all the Ross Perot/Stockdale references in the older episodes that attacked them but not really in that "in your face" manner. Yet they still pulled cheap laughs. With the new ones, cheap laughs only.

The whole Simpson family as a whole have become one dimensional and they never deviate from it. Plus all the side characters that were only good for one or two jokes were dragged on too long (Cletus, Comic Book Guy, etc.)
 
I hate it when people lump Simpsons Season 1-8 as the series' "Golden Age". First of all, a lot of people who say this are the first to reach for the remote when an episode from Season 1 comes on due to the bad animation. Secondly, Seasons 1 and 2 are just completely different in tone then the rest of the show. They're more personal, less funny, more touching. You could argue them as actually being better then Seasons 3-8, due to them being able to still trigger an emotional response.

That being said, the Season Opener was terrible. I felt like Season 16 built potential, while Season 17 squandered it.
 
I don't rail against the Simpsons any more, because just about everyone finally understands that the show has fallen off in a big way. I used to get so pissed in college when people would be hanging out and decide to watch the show for an hour or two and I was just so tired of it.
 
We wouldn't like Bart, Homer, Marge, Lisa and Maggie if it weren't for the first seasons. Those early episodes bore more of the James L. Brooks influence and suceeded in creating a living, breathing family that millions of people could relate to.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for those seasons and it's the lack of any semblance of humanity or true care for characterization that makes me indifferent to a show like The Family Guy -- a show that, in my book, tried to skip straight to the zany, non-sequitir phase (that the Simpsons enjoyed when guys like Conan O'Brian were on staff) without paying any kind of dues.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Did someone just say season 5 sucked? You've gotta be kidding. That's got some of the greatest episodes ever. Cape Feare! Homer Goes to College! Bart Gets an Elephant! Dude these episodes are straight up classics.

Looking at the list now... there ain't a dud on here.
 
Barrage said:
I hate it when people lump Simpsons Season 1-8 as the series' "Golden Age". First of all, a lot of people who say this are the first to reach for the remote when an episode from Season 1 comes on due to the bad animation. Secondly, Seasons 1 and 2 are just completely different in tone then the rest of the show. They're more personal, less funny, more touching. You could argue them as actually being better then Seasons 3-8, due to them being able to still trigger an emotional response.

That being said, the Season Opener was terrible. I felt like Season 16 built potential, while Season 17 squandered it.
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Season 1 is garbage and easily as bad as the newer seasons. Season 2 was average.

Another reason why they won't can it is because I heard the show brought in $1-2 billion a year for Fox. Its glory days are done but as long as it keeps raking in the dough, I doubt any cancelling will happen soon.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed the season premiere, but that was probably because I find big, dumb animals amusing. The Christmas Land sequence was great, too.
 
I think the biggest insult to the Simpsons is that it simply isn't that relevant anymore. During the series' golden years (Seasons 3-8, imo), the Simpsons was the quintessential American sitcom. Now, it just seems like it's trying to live off its past glories without evolving or adapting in any new ways. Everyone in the show still seems like they're living in '98. Hell, I would've liked to see some new, interesting characters become introduced, so there's at least an attempt to keep the show fresh. Or even better, the old classic characters could've tried changing a bit more to suit the times.

The new Simpsons make me depressed. :(
 
Takuan said:
I thoroughly enjoyed the season premiere, but that was probably because I find big, dumb animals amusing. The Christmas Land sequence was great, too.
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"i wish we could see their tears" was my favorite line
 
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