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whytemyke

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I'm watching both Xmen movies tonite, and it occurs to me that the second movie was far better than the first. I believe that these are movies that are great despite the scripts. I mean, sure, they're not GREAT, but at the very least the story lines are awesome, and you can't deny that Patrick Stewart, Ian McKlellan and Hugh Jackman were all great casting jobs (which was needed to make up for Halle Berry.) Plus, getting Lady Deathstrike in there was sweet.

I'm also wondering about that Wolverine movie. I definitely think there's plenty of material and a strong enough character to warrant a separate movie... I just wonder if they'll actually utilize it.

Anyone else fans of these movies?
 
whytemyke said:
I'm watching both Xmen movies tonite, and it occurs to me that the second movie was far better than the first. I believe that these are movies that are great despite the scripts. I mean, sure, they're not GREAT, but at the very least the story lines are awesome, and you can't deny that Patrick Stewart, Ian McKlellan and Hugh Jackman were all great casting jobs (which was needed to make up for Halle Berry.) Plus, getting Lady Deathstrike in there was sweet.

I'm also wondering about that Wolverine movie. I definitely think there's plenty of material and a strong enough character to warrant a separate movie... I just wonder if they'll actually utilize it.

Anyone else fans of these movies?
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With all due respect, I totally disagree. I hated the first X-Men, I hated the second slightly less. I could type a massive post about why but I dont feel like it.

Im psyched for the new Wolverine movie but if Singer really is directing it, I have my doubts.
 
I like the original because I'm a diehard X-Men fan and I was willing to forgive its flaws because I got a decent movie out of the deal. It's not great and it really isn't one of those movies you can watch again and again.

The sequel is pretty badass, though.

The problem is that the movies are really Bryan Singer's X-Men and not THE X-Men. It's faithful to the message of the comic book, but I feel the tone and overall spirit is drastically different.
 
acoustix said:
With all due respect, I totally disagree. I hated the first X-Men, I hated the second slightly less. I could type a massive post about why but I dont feel like it.

Im psyched for the new Wolverine movie but if Singer really is directing it, I have my doubts.
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I'd agree about Singer... and I think he's horribly overrated. As much as I enjoy the movies, I don't think by any means that they are good because of Singer. I actually believe they're fun despite Singer. Like a lot of the dialogue in the first one was just total trash... the one-liners and such. I could be wrong here, but I think a good director would try to weed that shit out. Stuff like Kelly's "YEEEELLLCHHH" after Toad eats a bird (and why the fuck have him eat a bird anyways? stupid.) and Storms notorious "...the same thing that happens to everything else" line. A lot of shit like that.

However, in the second one, they did cut down on the shitass dialogue quite a bit, and turned the movie into a blockbuster type deal instead of an actual ode to the comic, which i'm completely fine with. But the mansion-storming scene is good enough for me to like the entire second one, despite how long it takes to wrap up in the Alkali Lake compound.
 
X-Men's decent; it suffers from a rather lackluster script and a limited budget. X2's great though. It's got a good mix of the mutants interacting with society, action and natural comedy moments. As far as I'm concerned it's the only comic book superhero movie of the last half decade that's good or better. Everything else has sucked.

I'm very excited to see what Matthew Vaughn does with X-Men 3 since he seems to have the complete and extensive backing of Fox.
 
hXc_thugg said:
Oh well, there are no good super-hero movies.
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Then why waste your time to troll a thread SPECIFICALLY titled about a superhero movie?

Don't you have something more constructive to do with your time? Apparantly not...

As for a Wolverine movie, I can't wait. Make it R rated and have it be a brutal, bloody slugfest with Sabretooth.
 
jett said:
X2 is pretty awesome, destroys Spider-man 2.
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Spider-Man 2 is hard to watch more than once. It seemed really good the first time, but not so much anymore. Better than the first one, though.

I like the X-Men series, except for a few comic book nerd problems.
 
hXc_thugg said:
Spider-Man 2 is hard to watch more than once. It seemed really good the first time, but not so much anymore. Better than the first one, though.

I like the X-Men series, except for a few comic book nerd problems.
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I liked Spider-Man 2 more than X-2, and I liked it better on the second watch. Funny.
 
Willco said:
Nothing is better than Spider-Man 2.
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Oh please, it's a fun enough flick, but it's like they took the script to Superman 2, opened it in Word and did a Search/Replace to change the character names to the Spider-man characters.
 
teiresias said:
Oh please, it's a fun enough flick, but it's like they took the script to Superman 2, opened it in Word and did a Search/Replace to change the character names to the Spider-man characters.
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Funny how I thought that for about 80% of Spiderman 1, too.
 
whytemyke said:
I actually believe they're fun despite Singer. Like a lot of the dialogue in the first one was just total trash... the one-liners and such. I could be wrong here, but I think a good director would try to weed that shit out. Stuff like Kelly's "YEEEELLLCHHH" after Toad eats a bird (and why the fuck have him eat a bird anyways? stupid.) and Storms notorious "...the same thing that happens to everything else" line. A lot of shit like that.
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The unfortunate result of 5 different writers tackling the script which the final draft became a mish-mash of all of them (blame Joss Whedon for Storm's "Toad" line). David Hayter only got full screenwriting credit for X1 because other than being a friend to Singer, he was the only guy on set who helped with the script and any revisions.

For X3 I hope they ditch the black leather and try the neoprene approach for the costumes. If they can pull off Spider-Man's red and blue suit on screen then why can't I have my black/blue & yellow outfit with hood Wolverine fix?
 
Spiderman is good but it really is too similar to the Superman stories. X2 rules, Blade is pretty good, Hellboy was pretty good, and the first two Superman movies were great. All other supehero movies are terrible, except for the very first scene of Elektra.
 
I'm too much of an old X-Men fan to give the movies any credit. They simply try to do too much in too little time, and I'd prefer if they focused on developing one real storyline in the time they have rather than trying to combine two or three of the most memorable sagas and tie them into one convoluted, short-lived action sequence. The X-Men is a tricky thing in particular to flesh out. You have a team of characters where the characterizations and interplay between them is what helped to make the comics so appealing, which you simply don't have enough time to really develop in two or three hours. That said, I think the movies would resonate more with me if they just tried stripping a lot of the campy humor and focused on developing a more serious type of comic book film. The way they treat Storm in the movies compared to the comics pretty much sums up how I feel about the transition.
 
Man.

X2 was one of the most insufferable boring films ever. I'd take just about every single superhero movie over it, including the first Xmen, and Daredevil. X2 is heinous.
 
X2 is much, much better than X1....by fucking miles. I still remember watching in the theater and being stunned that they actually had a decent story for a comic book movie for a change. One that even got me to overlook the suck that is Halle Berry.
 
The subway scene, where the New Yorkers rally behind Spiderman and carry him around like Jesus was one of the worst scenes in the history of cinema.
 
ToxicAdam said:
X2 is the Citizen Kane of comic book movies when you compare it to the other tripe that has been released.
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Willco said:
Nothing is better than Spider-Man 2.
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I don't like either spiderman movies. I thought xmen 1 was ok, but the second one was a great summer flick. Liked it a lot
 
Sin City is probably the best comic book movie EVAR...haven't seen it yet though...damn thing opens in august where I live. :(
 
Both X-Men movies are great. X-Men 2 is as good as a sequel gets and gets better on successive viewings.

Bryan Singer is probably one of the very few directors who would have taken such a serious perspective on the material. In most others hands it would have turned out dumbed down or with about the same attention to the mythos as the Street Fighter movie. The introduction of Wolverine is a new classic scene, almost the equivalent of Marian's introduction in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Singer did a hell of a good job. He set a perfect tone and pulled it off with skill.
 
ManaByte said:
3 and 4 are. 1 and 2 are still awesome.
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I will grant you that Superman 1 is a great flick (especially considering how old it is). But, aside from the general awesomeness of the villans in part 2, it is a pretty awful movie.
Of course, parts 3 and 4 totally destroy the franchise.
 
I enjoyed X-Men 1 but didn't think it was great. I liked X-Men 2 much more. But I watched X2 over the weekend on HBO and thought that it wasn't as good as I remembered it being. Wasn't as great watching it a second or third time.

Spider-Man 1 was only just ok for me. I thought it was decent, but had problems. Again, I liked Spider-man 2 much more, although I've only seen it once.

And for the record, there are many many films that are much better than Spider-man 2.
 
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