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These AI Generated Interactive Environments Are Incredible
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I wasn't selling any
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
No, it won't.
GooseMan69
Member
Looks shitty and soulless.
The way GAF defends generative AI is surprising. Everybody here is negative and cynical about everything but for some reason AI slop is just fine.
The way GAF defends generative AI is surprising. Everybody here is negative and cynical about everything but for some reason AI slop is just fine.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Procedural generation has existed for a long time and has been used in a lot of major games.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
It will be doing mostly porn and sexual content.
We are 100% headed for a cyber punk world.
I wasn't selling any
Neo Member
Maybe it's just my perception, but I feel like the opposite is happening. To me, it looks like people here hate the idea of AI being implemented in games (and everywhere else).
ScHlAuChi
Member
1. This is not a "videogame", it is a realtime video generator
2. Those models have consistency only for a few minutes unlike videogames
3. You cant create a controllable story or have consistent gameplay
4. This is so inefficent its beyond laughable, it wont scale
This will NEVER be able to generate fully playable games due to the way LLMs work!
You just fell for some marketing BS!
HRK69
Gold Member
Procedural gen = fixed rules/math at load time, world never changes
AI here = neural net predicts every frame live as you pan camera, world gets invented in real-time from one pic
Not really the same is it?
MiguelItUp
Member
Considering how it has impacted the PC component industry, I'd much rather not, lol.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It's close enough in terms of output for the actual purpose of what you are doing which is building a game world to explore.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Once this technology advances, perhaps we will see a scenario in which the big pubs and devs lay off a lot of staff and you see team sizes shrink back down to the low hundreds for the big games from the high hundreds to thousands we see now.
But then at the same time AI will greatly reduce the barrier to entry and budgets and so you will see way more studios coming into the industry.
So these new studios and growing smaller studios will absorb those that have been culled in the initial AI guillotine in the larger teams.
But then at the same time AI will greatly reduce the barrier to entry and budgets and so you will see way more studios coming into the industry.
So these new studios and growing smaller studios will absorb those that have been culled in the initial AI guillotine in the larger teams.
HRK69
Gold Member
It's not even fucking close
One's a reliable blueprint you can build a game on; the other's a dreaming brain inventing the world in real-time
Lionel Richie
Member
Can't wait for the pop.
diffusionx
Gold Member
it's not a brain.
HRK69
Gold Member
Classic internet nitpick. I called it neural net previously. so the 'dreaming brain' bit is clearly figurative language to describe how these models work
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Not a big AI fan but Impressive that its interactive moving through an environment a shame its limited to only a few minutes of consistency at 720p 24fps maybe things improve in the future but theres no game here. I can see it used in other use cases though.
The ability for developers to export the AI generated model data direct to unreal is an interesting tool.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Cool tech, but I'm not nearly as impressed as the dude who's talking on that video.
Honestly I hope this fad ends soon. I like videogames made by people that have put care and effort to balance the game, make interesting locations to discover and explore and created cool characters and settings. Leaving all that to the "imaginations" of a machine seems as soulless as the medium could ever get.
Honestly I hope this fad ends soon. I like videogames made by people that have put care and effort to balance the game, make interesting locations to discover and explore and created cool characters and settings. Leaving all that to the "imaginations" of a machine seems as soulless as the medium could ever get.
turbo_blade
Gold Member
even when the AI bubble pops that doesn't mean AI is going away. if anything it'll get better.
polybius80
Member
will it let me walk around with this picture?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
For Google's 3rd major crack at it? This is very impressive. At worst, you can accuse it of looking like an asset flip game. Remember that first Will Smith eating spaghetti video? Look at the latest version of that.
On one hand, this is incredible.
On the other hand, we are well and truly fucked.
turbo_blade
Gold Member
compare PS2 graphics to PS5 graphics.Some of this shit looking like PS2 graphics
AI is in its early stage. It's only going to get better.
Current AI has a lot of flaws but if you showed me it 4 years ago it would blow minds. I mean I can spot an AI image or video from a mile away but it's come a long way.
turbo_blade
Gold Member
Denton
Member
Interesting video. If current LLMs are at a 3DFX Voodoo 1 stage and the trajectory will go towards RTX 5090, then yeah LLMs are going to overtake everything.
But it is still unclear if it will scale effectively like that, considering HW and electricity requirements.
The video in OP algoed me towards this one, which is pretty fun. Generating 3D models so easily from 2D pictures, also generated...it is ridiculous. 100% of developers are going to be using this within the next two years.
But it is still unclear if it will scale effectively like that, considering HW and electricity requirements.
The video in OP algoed me towards this one, which is pretty fun. Generating 3D models so easily from 2D pictures, also generated...it is ridiculous. 100% of developers are going to be using this within the next two years.
diffusionx
Gold Member
it's not a nitpick. It's fundamental to the sleight of hand that AI slopvocates use to try to make this stuff out to be more than it is. "it's dreaming", "it's thinking", "it has a brain" - no no no.
My point about procedural generation is that it is used to generate large game worlds. It's been around for a long time and works well. Does this technology work differently? Yes. Does it do things differently? yes. Does it make a better game world, as in, a better game world for exploration and doing what you do in a game? Well, I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. It hasn't generated any explorable game worlds yet. Nobody has made a game with this technology yet so we can analyze it properly.
Knightime_X
Member
That's just the short term.
Long term, once the demand is caught up, it'll be likely be even cheaper because more factories will show up and eventually overstock is inevitable.
kiphalfton
Member
People who don't have artistic skill, shouldn't be using AI to generate anything.
turbo_blade
Gold Member
there seems to be some movement towards SLMs (small language models). probably more so recently with the rising hardware costs. SLMs will need to take up less storage space, maintain similar quality/performance to LLM, and run with lower RAM amounts. LLM's are in the hundreds (or thousands) of GB now in terms of size. you need a GPU with a similar amount of RAM to run them. I used to play about with some local models on my 5090 and even that struggles with 32GB VRAM on some of the higher end ones.
OpenAI's top local model is 120b which is a 64GB download. the entire model needs to fit in VRAM for best performane so you're looking at an RTX Pro 6000 just to run that. an RTX 5090 will struggle. You can run the 20b model just fine on a 5090 as it's 14GB in size. Qwen has a 235b model (142GB size) and Deepseek has models up to 671b (404GB size).
Local models don't really compare to the models that Google, OpenAI, Anthropic etc run in their web/cloud versions. ChatGPT 3 was about 350GB in size. latest models probably at 2-10TB.
SLMs are aimed at running on smartphones. so they need to be in the range of <50GB without eating too much into storage for the OS/user files etc.
Apple's dumb brick of an AI needs 7GB and that can't even tell you the weather accurately.
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MiguelItUp
Member
One would think and hope, but it's really hard to think about that until we see it. So, we'll see! Lol.
HRK69
Gold Member
It's a nitpick and you know it
Literally in dozens of papers they call it dreaming: learning behaviors purely by latent imagination dreaming in the compact latent space of the world model
It's not sleight of hand; it's the tech lingo
turbo_blade
Gold Member
there is a bubble and it will burst.
right now companies are throwing ungodly amounts of money at AI but making very little returns and that's unsustainable. Eventually they'll be forced to create actual products people want/need and therefore create profit. the pop will reset and correct AI. we might find that there is an abundance of data centers and power plants. maybe an excess of hardware that needs to be shifted. prices will likely come down. AI isn't going anywhere but things will stabilize. maybe not this year or next but it will happen. this AI stuff is just like the GPU crypto boom.
but yeah we need to truly wait and see.
ScHlAuChi
Member
Procedural generation = a specific seed always generates the same outcome for the whole virtual world
AI video generation = every single frame is like a new seed with the outcome changing randomly (and sometimes drastically)
See this is where you make the mistake, this is not a game engine, a game world stays consistent throughout a game.
LLMs are not made to be consistent, they make stuff up as they go - like the writers of LOST - which then results in a mess.
No one has made a game with this tech because its impossible.
The only thing this tech is useful for is neural rendering which might be added to game engines of the future!
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Lionel Richie
Member
Yes but maybe with less advertising the AI truthers will go away and that to me is also getting better.
TommyCronin6969
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Someone change that title to Account Deletion Request
MiguelItUp
Member
Yeah, it's hard to imagine a "complete" video game absolutely void of any passion. Just like music.
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MrCunningham
Member
Something that I have been mulling over for quite some time now. game developers ditching polygons for AI generated/ video and photo referenced assets. I thought about the concept of resurgence of FMV gaming, but this time, it would be aided by AI to create environments seen in the video featured above. What if someone were to make a Myst sequel or reboot using tech like this? Or a first person styled horror FMV game with real actors blended together with AI generated environments?
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Seen some interesting videos on A.I making entire sets and characters with different existing franchises and series and some of them look quite cool and interesting. If it gets better than I'll definitely be way more interested seeing those compared to CGI stuff that looks more digital. At least some of those A.I could make things look fleshy and real while some look plastic.
Romulus
Member
Oh it will definitely get better, and faster than we expect. Just a year ago people we're saying things like AI would never be able to fool the human eye because "evolved over thousands of years to spot inconsistencies." Fucking dead wrong.
analog_future
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