Thinking about getting into stock trading

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Bsigg12

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Hey GAF, I have some questions about getting into stock trading. I got some money saved up that isn't being used for anything other than to just have and was thinking about getting started on owning some stocks.

My questions are:

What should I be looking for in a broker?

Should I go with a big name online (TD Ameritrade, etc.) or a local broker?

How much money should i be prepared to invest in the first year of doing this?


Any helpful tips from anyone who currently trades stocks or is actively a broker would also be awesome. Thanks everyone.
 
What do you mean by trade stocks?

Do you mean sitting in front of a computer screen 5-8 hours a day watching the market and making trades by the minute?

Or do you mean looking for undervalued stocks and putting some money into them and waiting riding the wave?

The latter requires quite a bit of capital to start - $30,000 is probably the minimum.
 
What do you mean by trade stocks?

Do you mean sitting in front of a computer screen 5-8 hours a day watching the market and making trades by the minute?

Or do you mean looking for undervalued stocks and putting some money into them and waiting riding the wave?

The latter requires quite a bit of capital to start - $30,000 is probably the minimum.

More of investing than anything. I have roughly $10k to start with.
 
Half of all stock traders do worse than the market average.

If you have extra money, invest in a Roth IRA. Stick the rest in index funds.
 
At $10k, go for your discount online brokers like TD Ameritrade.
You'll get free trades from the initial setup + additional transaction/management fees won't be as bad. Most large scale discount brokers will also offer you enough learning materials or free info sessions if you really want to learn the basics.

You can consider a full-service broker once you have more of a large portfolio + don't mind high fees for someone to manage/advise on your investments.

As for how much you should invest - that's a budgeting issue.
Always make sure you have enough emergency fund in your bank.
Make sure you match your employer's maximum 401K contributions.
Make sure you match you max your Roth IRA account (if retirement planning is something you're thinking about.)

After all that. then you consider how much you want to use for trading/investing.

(and remember to account for fees + taxes on all your trades. Your profit means nothing if it all of it are just going toward paying for fees.)
 
http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Video:Bogleheads®_investment_philosophy

Watch those videos

The easiest, and I think best way to invest, is to invest in 3 funds

Vanguard Total Stock market
Vanguard Total International Market
Vanguard Total Bond Market

Why? Diversifcation and low fees. You will not beat the market, you will follow the market, at a very low cost.

You might say, but why not pick stocks or pay a guy to beat the market for me?!? Well, the problem is, is that no one can consistently do it over the long term

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...-index-funds-beat-996-managers-over-ten-years

Good luck finding that .4% fund that actually beats the market

And fees. Oh god the fees. A broker is a stupid idea. You are just throwing money away. A 1% fee might not seem like a big deal, but it is, especially if he invests in 1% expense ratio stocks. That means you just lost 2% out of your return right there. Thats does not mean you are left with 98%. That means you are left with 5% instead of 7%. Plus, Turnover rate is not included in the expense ratio, and a TO rate of 100% is about 1% expense ratio, and a lot of actively managed funds have a TO rate of about that. So now you'll get a 4% return instead of a 7% return

what does that mean for you?

Amount invested : $10,000
Annual return : 7.00%
Projected expense ratio is : 3.00%
What if the expense ratio is : 0.10%

Your investment returns over 30 years will be $41,583 more if the actual expense ratio is 2.9 percentage point(s) less than the projected.


Projected expense ratio
Actual expense ratio

3.00% 0.10%

Net market value after Difference
1 year $10,400 $10,690 $290
5 years $12,167 $13,960 $1,793
10 years $14,802 $19,488 $4,686
15 years $18,009 $27,206 $9,197
20 years $21,911 $37,980 $16,069
30 years $32,434 $74,017 $41,583

You just lost 41 thousand dollars 30 years from now because you decided to go with a broker who chose actively managed funds instead of doing it yourself and investing in low cost index funds

Best part about low cost index funds is that it is incredibly easy and simple and takes absolutely zero knowledge or know-how of the market/economy/business. Just stick 40% into the US, 40% into international, and 20% into bonds and you are good to go. You wont have to worry about it further

Put your money in a mattress and wait for the next crash. Market is way overpriced now.

http://www.multpl.com/

Not really. a 19 p/e isnt that far from the norm
 
Yeah if you don't really know what you are doing just buy into an index fund (like the ones from Vanguard). VFINX is a good one. It aims to track the S&P 500, which is basically "the U.S. stock market." Expenses are very low.

You can also find very low-cost index ETF's. Exchange Traded Funds are like mutual funds, but trade like stocks.

You should also "dollar cost average" rather than throwing down that $10k all at once. Then keep contributing every month.

Finally, you should be investing in a retirement account (401k, IRA, etc) first.
 
Buy and hold is probably the only strategy that works now. The stock market in general is dominated by hedge funds, computers, pros, etc etc etc that as a little guy you are so far behind everyone else in terms of information, speed and the ability to trade. You can make money, but it's like going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.
 
If you want to retire, you are basically forced to. I dont know about you, but I dont want to be working when I am 70

If you want to retire, go with a mutual or index fund and regularly invest into it. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but YOU picking stocks and playing the market is just going to end up with YOU losing your money.
 
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