This is how Halo 2 can be fixed....

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1. Whenever one person on one team picks up a sniper rifle...no other team member is allowed to pick up another one until that person loses that sniper rifle....hence...1 sniper rifle per team at a time.

2. If someone gets a rocket and tries to get in a vehicle....the vehicle automatically self destruct...HAHA...OWNED YOU LITTLE ROCKET WHORING VEHICLE KILLING BITCH!

3. whenever you play 8 games in a row in teamslayer games like I did today and this happens....

Burial Mounds -> Midship -> Burial Mounds -> Midship -> Burial Mounds -> Midship -> Burial Mounds -> Midship

then One Bungie Employee needs to be lined up against a wall..and shot in the head.

4. tweak the shotgun, i dont care about this so-called "cone" radius bullshit.....when I feel like im rolling a pair of dice everytime i shoot the shotgun then something is wrong.

5. tweak needler and bruteshot....sorry...they suck.....

6. people who crouch duck + camp at a spot with the sword where no one can see him, constantly, in like, a team match....should self destruct after getting 4 kills because of it.

7. tweak the Nades....i swear those can be random as fuck sometimes...."I threw a nade right on his feet and he survives like rambo.....then he throws a nade like 4 feet away from me and i die"...woohoo!!! gotta love the randomness.

8. If someone begins to brag or talk shit because he/she got a Double/Triple kill with a rocket launcher...then thier Xbox should self destruct and Lorena bobbit should be sent to his house...if its a she....then kobe bryant.

9. ......heres a novel idea.....release a fuckin patch fixing some of the fucking team skirmish bullshit?

peace
 
4. tweak the shotgun, i dont care about this so-called "cone" radius bullshit.....when I have feel like im rolling a pair of dice everytime i shoot the shotgun then something is wrong.
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The shotgun baffles me. Sometimes a point-blank range shot will kill a guy in one shot, while other times I have had to unload 5 times into a guy who was seemingly in front of me (lag?).

Also: the sword should have limited energy like in the 1P game. It utterly fucks up the balance of the game. In fact, when my crew plays amongst ourselves, we all agree that we won't use that fucking thing. And we have way more fun (as it's not essentially Oddball in that it's "KILL THE GUY WITH THE SWORD").
 
I definetly agree with all of the self destruction. The cone radius crap on the shotgun is garbage. There are times when a guy will kill me from across the map with the shotgun, but when my shotgun is in his face, I fire the gun and then proceed to melee him the face, nothing happens, yet he still manages to kill me. The gernades are garbage too. There have been countless time where my plasma gernade passed straight through a guy.
 
Heh, the sword is overpowered as hell. I remember playing split screen with my brother, after one of us got the sword, it was pretty much the other player dying over and over.
 
"Also: the sword should have limited energy like in the 1P game. It utterly fucks up the balance of the game. In fact, when my crew plays amongst ourselves, we all agree that we won't use that fucking thing. And we have way more fun (as it's not essentially Oddball in that it's "KILL THE GUY WITH THE SWORD")."
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Damned right!

also - they need to fix the rocket damage calculation...

1 vs 1 rocket arena - if you shoot and it hits your opponent face on, whilst they are standing fairly close to you. You are killed by the splash damage first, before the person you hit. This results in them getting the kill rather than it drawing out. This has happened several times.

I've also witnessed on several occassions people surviving being stickied (no overshields or extra armour options set), which is a pain.

But for me, the sword is the number one pain in the arse.
That and the fact that a lot of the times you die and it simply doesn't make sense (2 grenades, a rocket and a shotgun blast at close range vs being shot twice by an SMG and you lose SUCKS)

Also - the mellee attacks are nerfed EXCEPT for the flag, which is deadly... the f*ck?!
 
Take the plasma pistol out of the game,it totally kills the balance of the weapons.

Snipers should have recoil,as it is now any fuckin random joe should be able to kill someone with a sniper that has 4 shots and no consequence for missing.Also I hate it when people find spots on the map to snipe from where they are like behind walls and shit and you can't see them or shoot them,yet they can shoot you,its bullshit.I could write a book about the problems of this game and most of them stem from the Sniper and BR/PP combo.
 
DCharlie said:
Damned right!

also - they need to fix the rocket damage calculation...

1 vs 1 rocket arena - if you shoot and it hits your opponent face on, whilst they are standing fairly close to you. You are killed by the splash damage first, before the person you hit. This results in them getting the kill rather than it drawing out. This has happened several times.

I've also witnessed on several occassions people surviving being stickied (no overshields or extra armour options set), which is a pain.

But for me, the sword is the number one pain in the arse.
That and the fact that a lot of the times you die and it simply doesn't make sense (2 grenades, a rocket and a shotgun blast at close range vs being shot twice by an SMG and you lose SUCKS)

Also - the mellee attacks are nerfed EXCEPT for the flag, which is deadly... the f*ck?!
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I agree. There have been times where I have shot a rocket right at where a guy was standing and he survives only to kill me without any trouble. The sword is terrible as well because you don't see the sword carrier on your radar because he can lock on from so far. If you are carrying the sword, you should emit a beam that is visible on your HUD.
 
Ramirez said:
Take the plasma pistol out of the game,it totally kills the balance of the weapons.

Snipers should have recoil,as it is now any fuckin random joe should be able to kill someone with a sniper that has 4 shots and no consequence for missing.Also I hate it when people find spots on the map to snipe from where they are like behind walls and shit and you can't see them or shoot them,yet they can shoot you,its bullshit.I could write a book about the problems of this game and most of them stem from the Sniper and BR/PP combo.
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you know....id have to agree....i think the plasma pistol + BR combo is pretty damn cheap....but Its my fav combo...cant help it....there is no greater satisfaction than killing some rocket whore/sniper whore with it.

For me...it Rebalances the game when your in 4v4 and they all got the good weapons (rocket/snipers/sword) and makes it a little more balanced

peace
 
On maps where there isn't 5 BRs and 5 PPs it's not that bad,but on Collossus and Beaver Creek it is just plain stupid.On Collossus you get the Sniper while the rest get that bullshit and then its damn near impossible to get near them and on Beaver Creek people get on top of the bases and use the shit,it's just not fun and it takes no skill what-so-ever.
 
Mix in some NO SNIPER modes with matchups.

I think the shotgun problems are due to little bits of lag. It plays fine in LAN games. I don't think that can be fixed. Oh, found a good trick for beaver creek, grab the shotgun and go hide behind a teleporter, just in the corner of a teleporter and a the wall of the base, if a guy jumps out of there *BLAMMO* and if a guy tries to run around the side of the base, you can see him on your motion sensor and crouch walk to the corner for more *BLAMMO* I got a kill frenzy doing this.

Also remove the plasma pistol from the multiplayer game entirely. like they have done with the fuel rod gun, to quote bungie "It's horribly unbalanced"
 
Ramirez said:
Take the plasma pistol out of the game,it totally kills the balance of the weapons.

Snipers should have recoil,as it is now any fuckin random joe should be able to kill someone with a sniper that has 4 shots and no consequence for missing.Also I hate it when people find spots on the map to snipe from where they are like behind walls and shit and you can't see them or shoot them,yet they can shoot you,its bullshit.I could write a book about the problems of this game and most of them stem from the Sniper and BR/PP combo.
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Nice list Fixed, totally agree with DaMerez too. The plasma pistol is pure garbage, that pussy combo takes no skill at all, theres nothing more frustarting then being out with a plasma/battle rifle combo (when the guy himself is shit, but his whole strategy revolves around this combo)

And the cone shotgun is BS as is the energy sword. Shit players love the cheap, most easiest way of killing. Take out these overpowered weapons/combos and the game becomes more about skill.
 
Cerrius said:
I used to complain about the Shotgun, but recently I've grown fond of it.

*shrugs*
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That's because the internet lag has temporarily sided in your favor turning you into a horrible shotgun monster.

But yeah on midship it's the second weapon after the sword that I try and get my hands on.

EDIT: The sword should have ammo though. But don't get rid of it. It's an awesome weapon and can totally be countered.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Put it on PC, then i wont suck so bad using that damned xbox controller :((((
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Level playing field control wise > mouse and keyboard.
 
The damage on melee strikes with the standard SMG or other regular firearms should be raised. The "green thumb" setup gives you great melee response time, but it's not worth it if it takes four shots to KO somebody.
 
Seriously,I always see Ghaleon as the first to defend Bungie,yet I've never seen him online or asked if we would like to play with him :lol
 
catfish said:
Mix in some NO SNIPER modes with matchups.

I think the shotgun problems are due to little bits of lag. It plays fine in LAN games. I don't think that can be fixed. Oh, found a good trick for beaver creek, grab the shotgun and go hide behind a teleporter, just in the corner of a teleporter and a the wall of the base, if a guy jumps out of there *BLAMMO* and if a guy tries to run around the side of the base, you can see him on your motion sensor and crouch walk to the corner for more *BLAMMO* I got a kill frenzy doing this.

Also remove the plasma pistol from the multiplayer game entirely. like they have done with the fuel rod gun, to quote bungie "It's horribly unbalanced"
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That's just as bad as the plasma/rifle combo, a camper killing with no skill. I don't really agree with the shotgun or sword complaints. The only thing that bugs me is when people camp with either of those weapons. I hate walking around the corner to a one shot kill. Besides that, the sword lock-on should be less, and the plasma pistol should be removed. The sniper rifle recoil would be welcomed, but Bungie won't change anything until Halo 3, 4, 5, etc.
 
my only problem with the online stuff is the maps. its not uncommon to play the same map 3 times in a row or 4 out of 5 times. that shit pisses me off.
 
duderon said:
That's just as bad as the plasma/rifle combo, a camper killing with no skill. I don't really agree with the shotgun or sword complaints. The only thing that bugs me is when people camp with either of those weapons.
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To be fair though, what I posted above isn't some kind of amazing exploit and it's pretty easy to get wise to. But in the rumble pit you have to find the good spots to camp or you're dead. And standing anywhere in the open with a shotgun is equivalent to throwing grenades at your own feet.
 
catfish said:
To be fair though, what I posted above isn't some kind of amazing exploit and it's pretty easy to get wise to. But in the rumble pit you have to find the good spots to camp or you're dead. And standing anywhere in the open with a shotgun is equivalent to throwing grenades at your own feet.
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The best rumble pit players are definately not campers.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
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how bout we play against each other...whats your gamer tag.
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I'm just kidding - I'm sure you'd own me. It's GhaleonEB, I'm usually on around 9-12pm PDT. My highest rank is like 7 or so - I just started playing a week ago.

Seriously, though, I agree with a few of your points. The weighting of the maps you play in for example really needs tweaking. I played three team slayers in Coagulation in a row. Fun the first time, okay the second and maddening the third.

I also agree that making the sword degenerate over time would be great, like in SP, but Bungie already spoke to that (they ran out of time, basicly - can't update it via DLC). And it is counterable - if you know you're gonna die, tag the guy with a plasma while he's trying to lock on. Or use my favorite combo, the plasma pistol and magnum - drops them in about a second.

I think the shotgun has been really nerfed in this game, but I see is as the human version of the sword. The sword has the lunge, the shotgun has the minor damage at range. Both are fatal point blank.

The needler always sucked for MP, but now it's at least potent dual-weilded. (suck in SP, too though - a real bummer, since it was my favorite in the first Halo).
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm just kidding - I'm sure you'd own me. It's GhaleonEB, I'm usually on around 9-12pm PDT. My highest rank is like 7 or so - I just started playing a week ago.

Seriously, though, I agree with a few of your points. The weighting of the maps you play in for example really needs tweaking. I played three team slayers in Coagulation in a row. Fun the first time, okay the second and maddening the third.

I also agree that making the sword degenerate over time would be great, like in SP, but Bungie already spoke to that (they ran out of time, basicly - can't update it via DLC). And it is counterable - if you know you're gonna die, tag the guy with a plasma while he's trying to lock on. Or use my favorite combo, the plasma pistol and magnum - drops them in about a second.

I think the shotgun has been really nerfed in this game, but I see is as the human version of the sword. The sword has the lunge, the shotgun has the minor damage at range. Both are fatal point blank.

The needler always sucked for MP, but now it's at least potent dual-weilded. (suck in SP, too though - a real bummer, since it was my favorite in the first Halo).
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i know how to counter the sword in every way possible...i dont think the sword is cheap honestly....i think campers are.

peace
 
Ramirez said:
Seriously,I always see Ghaleon as the first to defend Bungie,yet I've never seen him online or asked if we would like to play with him :lol
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That's becuase I didn't get Live set up until a week ago. I do defend Halo/2 as some of the best action games ever, but I'll be happy to ream Halo 2 for some really, really bad design decisions. This board tends to be pretty polarized, love/hate, Halo rules/it's broken. I see Halo 2 as brilliant in scale and gameplay, but with some small problems which in aggregate take the game down, many, many notches. Most of the nuance is lost here, though, so I keep those topics for HBO. I also have mean sarcastic streak which doesn't come accross well here.

For example, the topic is "This is how Halo 2 can be fixed....." implying the entire game is broken. When he's really just discussing a few tweaks to MP. He was being overly dramatic, and so was I.

Part of me likes Halo 1 better. :)
 
duderon said:
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The best rumble pit players are definately not campers.
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I guess I shouldn't have said camp, but you definately have to exploit certain areas of the map. Certain murdering I experienced recently in the rumble pit, on ascension (crap map) the guy that owned everyone grabbed the sniper and the shotgun and got on top of the low tower at the end (I mean actually on the roof of it) and anytime someone came near, grenades + jump down and clean up with shotgun, then straight back up there.

I would argue that the best players definately camp good spots moreso in team slayer obviously, but then recognize when it's time to go.
 
catfish said:
I guess I shouldn't have said camp, but you definately have to exploit certain areas of the map. Certain murdering I experienced recently in the rumble pit, on ascension (crap map) the guy that owned everyone grabbed the sniper and the shotgun and got on top of the low tower at the end (I mean actually on the roof of it) and anytime someone came near, grenades + jump down and clean up with shotgun, then straight back up there.

I would argue that the best players definately camp good spots moreso in team slayer obviously, but then recognize when it's time to go.
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Sure, in this case it's exploitation and you'd have to get creative to kill them. What you did is a good way to get kills, but it is camping and it is cheap.
 
duderon said:
Sure, in this case it's exploitation and you'd have to get creative to kill them. What you did is a good way to get kills, but it is camping and it is cheap.
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All I'm gonna say here is: they're using a sniper rifle. WTF are you supposed to with a sniper rifle except snipe?!?! From a covered position? Seems to me like that's what they are for, and it's up to the player to counter them.
 
Honestly, I wouldnt be bothered by camping if Bungie would Turn off the Radar....

cause then thier isnt any "oh i see you but you dont see me!...heeeheee " gay bullshit.
 
GhaleonEB said:
All I'm gonna say here is: they're using a sniper rifle. WTF are you supposed to with a sniper rifle except snipe?!?! From a covered position? Seems to me like that's what they are for, and it's up to the player to counter them.
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He's not going to see you 100% of the time so one option would be to come from the right or left with the Battle Rifle. Also, just firing SMGs at him so he can't zoom in could be enough for you to get close and kill him before the shotgun is in your face.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
Honestly, I wouldnt be bothered by camping if Bungie would Turn off the Radar....

cause then thier isnt any "oh i see you but you dont see me!...heeeheee " gay bullshit.
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I also agree there. Bungie defends it, and I like it in some games, but it would be nice if no radar games were thrown into the mix. Hopefully they'll add some to the playlists.
 
Energy Sword powers down in MP.
Rocket Splash-damage killing you first in MP.

That would make MP a lot more fun.
 
Sniping is just too easy,it needs recoil,then you would see the number of people picking it up decrease dramatically.
 
Most of your complaints are just related to you not being a fantastic Halo 2 player. The real problem in the game is the repetitive maps, the cheating, and the plasmapistol/battlerifle combo. Yeah, its cool, but its far too easy to do among the better players out there. Also, the sword could benefit from having an energy limit like in single player.

And what is with the fucking lame map rotation?!?!??? Coagulation over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over
 
duderon said:
Sure, in this case it's exploitation and you'd have to get creative to kill them. What you did is a good way to get kills, but it is camping and it is cheap.
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Pretty much, although I did stumble upon this by being in the right place at the right time, as in about to charge through teleport, out comes 2 guys, kill them. duck in corner to regenerate shield, another guy comes round corner, killed him, re-regenerate, then 2 more dudes through the teleport. Blam Blam followed by the announcers "Double kill, Triple Kill, KILLTACULAR, KILLING FRENZY" In a swear to god what sounded like a horny voice :lol.

I've been back one time to see if it was luck, and it's not. It works very well. So what to do if you are losing? Moral question rumble pitters, milk the kills from a gimmie spot, or play "honourably" because I'm going with the camping. It's either that or go anywhere else where it's going to be a plama + bf combo in the head. Until they take that broken combo out, I'm sticking with my cheap kills too.
 
Here's a couple of sword tips for my GAF friends.

1.If you see a sword guy coming towards you start shooting and run towards the side in a straight line, dont circle strafe when he attacks you have a chance to dodge his sword attack.

2.If you have a shotgun and see the sword guy coming eyeball him and wait, when you see the dash coming pop a shot and you can kill him.
 
1. Keep your damn head down. Find a vehicle and a decent driver. Stick to the rocks and travel in pairs, one guy goes down, now the other guy knows where to go to kick some ass. Snipers, unless they're rolling with their constant pals tend to be alone, hit him in the back of the head and ask him what he's learned about not paying attention.

2. Turn off your Xbox. Or find yourself a brute shot or some plasmas.. or perhaps another vehicle? I'm assuming the main concern is the warthog duo tearing around through Burial Mounds.. ahh... good times. Just remember all the warthog is without a gunner is a big rolling target, and gunners die pretty quick if you're good about keeping the pressure on them. Two guys on foot with dualies or BRs can do the trick most times, then the driver has to stop or slow down to pick up another gunner, get them then.

3. Good point.. Though for me it's usually Ivory Tower...

4. Semi agree... Though I chalk it up to lag most times.

5. Needler, if you're not paying attention hurts.. though I'm not sure how to fix it.. it does a fair amount of damage if you go with two at a time. Maybe a bit better tracking? The Brute shot I've found nice for an anti vehicle weapon in a pinch, though it feels like the hit detection is off sometimes, like it's better to bounce it into the guy than it is to nail him with it. Maybe it is... I seldom use it for non-vehicle combat.

6. A grenade (though sometimes random) works wonders after you realize the guy isn't about to move. even if he survives back pedal and give him a few rounds and he should go down.

7. Lag again perhaps?

8. Yeah.... I prefer the people who start the game by talking shit in the pregame lobby and then proceed to either drop half way through because they can't keep up or come in last place and still talk shit.

9. Flag physics (the Colossus bounce)? That little corner of Midships that you can toss the bomb into and make it untouchable? Indeed...
 
The Guivre said:
9. Flag physics (the Colossus bounce)? That little corner of Midships that you can toss the bomb into and make it untouchable? Indeed...
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That flag is silly, it's actually the conveyer belt on collossus that is broken though....

Also the lesser known but just as annoying cheat on foundation regarding the bomb. If they could fix this by making neutral bomb just return after 30 seconds if untouched. forget that contesting business. or just put some invisible walls in there somehow. not sure if that can be done with content download.

But standby cheating is the worst one. Why can't the user just be dropped after a five second time out? Or he's the one that goes to blue screen? I don't get that.
 
Uno Ill Nino said:
Most of your complaints are just related to you not being a fantastic Halo 2 player.
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lol WTF?

can you not read or something?

what makes anything i said correlate with me = not being a "fantastic halo 2 player" ?
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
2. If someone gets a rocket and tries to get in a vehicle....the vehicle automatically self destruct...HAHA...OWNED YOU LITTLE ROCKET WHORING VEHICLE KILLING BITCH!
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I am the best warthog driver ever. My gunner and I will decimate your team while I honk the horn, and sing a song about having rockets.


Krynsah... I mean The Guivre said:
2. Turn off your Xbox.
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That's mah boy...

Besides, sometimes it spawns again anyway.
 
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