i feel the damage doesnt match very well with the rate of fire
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TITANFALL 2 |OT| Don't Misgender Tone.
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i feel the damage doesnt match very well with the rate of fire
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Exactly, says it has punch as you sit there and unload a clip into someones chest waiting for them to die.
Ready to get off of work so I can start my weekend of playing Titanfall.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Brehs they can't just buff everyone c'mon now.
Aren't people already complaining about titan survivability compared to Resistance 1? Imagine if they make all of them better. You balance by adjusting outliers to meet everything else in the middle.
I can't imagine Legion nerf changing his meta
I do wonder if my clips had any influence
If she gets nerfed too hard, Ion will be the legit go-to Titan.
Actually, Scorch will lose his only counter-pick
I just have the most fun with Tone - might not play as much if the nerf is hard. Don't like Ion at all (very boring playstyle for me).
the only broken moment ive encountered with Tone was me facing off against 2 Tones, they would throw up a shield wall for one another making them very difficult to hit.
Titan survivability isn't about low health perse, it's the ineffectiveness of dash, especially due to these maps (and the cores being a thing).
I thought I would love Tone the most but the tracking stuff isn't for me.
I used to run Atlas, 40mm, Cluster and Smoke.
I don't mind tracker being a thing, but since Smoke is low damage now and you can't spec for cluster, Tone is just a rather boring. Weaker Tone would just make me stick with Ion for when I want a decent and honest game.
DudeWithNoName
Member
The folks complaining about the nerfs are the same people using (abusing) them in matches.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Well unless they're going to completely rebalance the dashes, tone (heh) down all the cores, and throw recharging shields back into the game, buffing everyone to meet Tone and Legion cannot be the answer. Titan fights would devolve into glass cannon encounters.
I think it would be fine if they just, as suggested by someone else earlier in this thread, removed the partial lock from the tracking rocket.
Personally I would rather just see the weaker titans get buffed than the better titans dragged down, but the way it is now is not right.
I play with a controller on PC, works amazing and I can hold my own. I use bumper jumper.
EL CUCO
Member
You gotta bait them to go around it
Titan survivability isn't about low health perse, it's the ineffectiveness of dash, especially due to these maps (and the cores being a thing).
I thought I would love Tone the most but the tracking stuff isn't for me.
I used to run Atlas, 40mm, Cluster and Smoke.
I don't mind tracker being a thing, but since Smoke is low damage now and you can't spec for cluster, Tone is just a rather boring. Weaker Tone would just make me stick with Ion for when I want a decent and honest game.
I enjoy the 40mm a lot and the midrange encounters. Very fun Titan. Good thing there are 5 of them for different tastes haha.
Some of the weaker Titans just need to be tweaked a bit.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Wonder what they'll do about map hack. Not sure whay the solution is to it that doesn't make it worthless.
I'd say that Ion and Tone ARE the middle. Northstar's full charge shot just does a little more than Scorch's thermite launcher but shoots twice as slow. Damage/time ratio is off compared to the others. I'd like more damage on a full charged shot or a "speed hack" perk like there is for the anti-titan weapon (Reduced full charge damage but instant shot).
Ronin needs something done. He's supposed to be a close range bruiser but gets busted up like a pinata against almost any titan but Northstar. Do you not agree that once he's in the face of ANY titan he should bust them up? He's the only titan that requires close ranges to land any damage. That requires getting in without getting damaged and even if you make it get out DPSed by everything.
Lower the duration probably
Tone being powerful was fucking overblown. Was it shit Ion players and Scorch players complaining? Ion > Tone, and Tone > Scorch.
You can't have a hero class system without counter-picks.
Also Legion >> Tone and I hope that'll still be the case.
That's sound bad. And that would also allow you to use multiple Dice Rolls...
Don't bother. The never nerfs sentiment is astoundingly resistant to any argument against it. Who cares if the game is balanced around a certain power level? Buff everything!
I've never felt anything other than sympathy for the enemy team when using Tone. I don't think I've died using her other than when 3 people on the enemy team get pissed and suicide charge me for killing them repeatedly. She has no weaknesses right now. She's just too good. She is an absolute killing machine for pilots and Titans on offense. On defense, she's fast, has a full shield that doesn't leave any of her frame exposed, and a constant map hack boost so she can't be flanked or surprised. Pilots can't even peek and fire on her because she can see you coming and drill you with the one of the exploding school busses she fires.
Respawn is the company that brought us one man army/noobtube and commando teleporting lock-on stabs. The fact that they're saying "yup, she's broken alright" a week after launch is telling.
The whole problem is bad players crying for nerfs when they don't understand the game yet. I get wrecked as a Tone - instead of complaining I analyze where a bad play was made. The typical internet mentality is "nerf that, I died."
Ronin and Northstar need real buffs to be competitive.
She has plenty of weaknesses and is not an absolute killing machine. If you're playing against shit players, sure, but otherwise, she is a middle of the road Titan. Only reason Respawn is mentioning is because of the complainers.
I don't want to see Titanfall go down the Destiny (which I love as a game) road - nerf everything powerful and have nothing feel powerful. I will always be biased towards MP games having OP weapons.
Ronin and Northstar need real buffs to be competitive.
She has plenty of weaknesses and is not an absolute killing machine. If you're playing against shit players, sure, but otherwise, she is a middle of the road Titan. Only reason Respawn is mentioning is because of the complainers.
I don't want to see Titanfall go down the Destiny (which I love as a game) road - nerf everything powerful and have nothing feel powerful. I will always be biased towards MP games having OP weapons.
Hmmm when is this expected to be released?
OdysseusVA
Banned
I dunno about Northstar. Code did well and it sounds like her Core update sounds fine. I haven't tried her yet so I can't say anything. All I know is that Cluster is legit
Ronin does need to be able to use his Shotty or at the very least, charge his smoke while in Sword Core.
barneystuta83
Member
Respawn won't be making this buff/nerf decisions based on disgruntled comments on forums and Twitter.
It may alert them to look at certain things, but I imagine the actual decisions will be made by their data.
It may alert them to look at certain things, but I imagine the actual decisions will be made by their data.
PROh1bited
Banned
I didn't really enjoy the beta all that much, but I went and got the game yesterday and I'm really enjoying the hell out of it.
Just wished the game came with a few more maps.
Just wished the game came with a few more maps.
NullPointer
Member
That's music to my eyes.
I wonder what they have in mind for Tone and Legion.
Pretty much.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Please don't nerf Tone to oblivion
OdysseusVA
Banned
I wonder if the "balance tweak" is actually a buff to Legion. Theres no mention of a nerf specifically
You have absolutely no proof as to why Respawn is looking at her. It's just conjecture on your part. I prefer balanced games. I'm stunned you don't think she's a killing machine. Pilots have zero chance with her accuracy, fire rate, splash damage, and wall hack. Titans are wall hacked and then take damage even in cover from her missles barrages. Hell both of you could be in cover and she's still wrecking you. Should you pop out, she's sitting there with her shield because she knew where you were peeking from. At no point facing fewer than 3 titans do I ever feel like I'm in danger at all.
Destiny's problem is that they shortsightedly failed to separate the weapons between PVE and PVP. So they were left trying to balance the same guns for two very different experiences.
Net_Wrecker
Member
There are no "weaker Titans" though, it's Tone and Legion throwing the balance out of whack. These are basically hero characters now. The Titans all have a role and should have an optimal encounter range. Tone and Legion are good enough to break those tiers and cover all ranges because of easy to use weapons and abilities.
ION is the middle, Tone is not. Tone is far too easy to use against everyone at the moment, and can easily encroach on Northstar's range with the 40mm, lock on rockets, and full body shield. There needs to be a bigger damage drop off at range, and, I think, 5 shots to lock instead of 3. This would change Tone back into the mid range Titan she's supposed to be, and make close range rocket spam take longer.
Northstar's railgun damage is fine right now. Like I've said before, it's a support Titan. Increasing the damage would make sniping far too easy. Your role as Northstar is distraction and getting crits. The problem is that her defensive options are trash. Tone's shield is obviously living with the wrong parent. Her core is a little weak though, I'll grant that.
Ronin is not built like a close range bruiser right now, he's a flank + hit and run specialist. Get in, break up entrenched Titans (not necessarily kill), get out and regroup or make the heavies lose thier focus. If you want argue that you think his role is wrong, okay, but that's different.
Titanfall is a victim of chest-beating pride: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-11-04-titanfall-is-a-victim-of-chest-beating-pride
The Xtortionist
Member
I hope Respawn balances Map Hack in an effective way. Like, increasing the cost to even 99% wouldn't do much imo. It'll still be chained by good teams for a ton of frustration. Needs to be touched on a fundamental level, like only working for the user, or eliminating the sonar effect (enabling Radar Jammer as a hard counter).
Yep, Ronin is pure hit and run. Flank, unload a magazine, use your four dashes to run away and reload, repeat.
Scorch is the secret close range bruiser.
Yep, Ronin is pure hit and run. Flank, unload a magazine, use your four dashes to run away and reload, repeat.
Scorch is the secret close range bruiser.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Scorch is absolutely the close range bruiser, but using him is too much work and ability balancing so he's forever alone.
Everybody just wants to dash up and get easy kills, man. Sometimes you have to play your role and let the kills come to you.
Everybody just wants to dash up and get easy kills, man. Sometimes you have to play your role and let the kills come to you.
The Xtortionist
Member
Tone has everything
-40mm cannon with great range and respectable damage
-Tracking rockets deal a ton of damage with inherently ittle risk
-Shield allows her to be one of the few titans that engage in a head-on fight with no risk
-Sonar eliminates the possibility for surprise flanks and lights enemies up for the whole team
She's basically Ryu from Street Fighter. She just has all the tools. I'm actually not sure if any of her stuff is necessarily too good on its own, but having all that stuff together is pretty dominating. Interested to see how they'll handle her.
Thats my favorite part about scorch. You got set that web out and bait. He's the most satisfying to play for me because of the amount of thinking necessary. I think north star should have had the ping tone has and only pings for herself. That paired with a railgun that shoots through walls on full charge would have been so damn fun.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Ha, I didn't even touch on Tone's sonar. It grants a partial lock-on and adds another wall hack into a game filled with wall hacks. Disgusting. If not for Legion's literal aimbot, Tone would be EZ Mode.
People being Respawn. What do those clowns know, right?
The Xtortionist
Member
Giving Tone sonar makes no sense
her shield makes flanking the best tactic to fight her
but sonar will show people flanking you so there's no surprise
why
her shield makes flanking the best tactic to fight her
but sonar will show people flanking you so there's no surprise
why
Net_Wrecker
Member
Yeah but waifu waifu misgender anime rockets
And dah 40mm. Like Titanfall 1. Member Titanfall 1? Member?
The Xtortionist
Member
oh i member
Why? It's like martrydom, easy to avoid when you know the signs.