Don't let the min/max crowd sway you from playing with something less effective even if it is more fun for you. It's fine for CM and any content that is out now.
Like you said, what else are you going to spend your credits on?
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Don't let the min/max crowd sway you from playing with something less effective even if it is more fun for you. It's fine for CM and any content that is out now.
Like you said, what else are you going to spend your credits on?
Kenzodielocke
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Can't get on uPlay right now.
I found that pretty funny. They force us to go into the DZ, and then say DZ is working bc we are spending so much time there. These devs are clueless.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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At range, a marksman rifle will shred enemies faster than a LMG, given you can hit your shots. LMG's are certainly easier to use and somewhat practical if you have the support role in your team.
I'm just saying given the current state of weapon balancing, LMG's are vastly under-powered.
Armor caps out at 4700 (65% mitigation)
Exotic damage at 30% I think.
I'd certainly rock a marksmen rifle. A good one has really alluded me.
The game is getting lazier and lazier. CM? Nah let's just farm this boss. Move to get our loot? Nah let's just aim at it.
I actually haven't done any of the farming besides one day of BK farming. Kinda defeats the purpose of the game. I made decent progress just from doing CM missions this past week. I prefer to roam the DZ then just mindless farming one area over and over. It's mind numbingly boring.
Sad to see, to be honest. I don't want this to be a "exploit or fall behind" situation.
SumptuousLemur
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What mod has been managing this thread lately?
Looking to get a hold of them.
Looking to get a hold of them.
Yeah, our group collectively decided we wouldn't touch exploits since we'd just steam roll content and make it not fun. Hop on and play with us sometime this week, good times in those IB trains with you when you grabbed the PS4 copy of TTK.
Too late for that my man. You already had the power players that got 15-30 pC per named enemy week one and then the BK. But beyond that the people that can only play an hour or two a day will always fall behind in games like these.
Kabouter just posted last page?
I would agree if there was not insane amount of RNG on items. If they want to reduce RNG I would not mind the low drop rates. When it is low drop rates with insane RNG it is not very fun. I don't think these guys have ever played a loot based game or even their own damn game to be honest. The insane RNG hurts the little guy the most who does not have 5 hours a night to run chests in the DZ or run hours of exploits to get enough crafting material to try and defeat the RNG.
WheelHoss1
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Yep. There's a reason why all the streamers are running SMG + M1A. Assaults wreck too from range.
Right now shotties are underpowered except in PVP and LMGs are a joke. But honestly please don't nerf my AUG those 77,000 crit headshots are just too delicious.
Pakhan is a really good weapon (1) if you like LMGs or (2) if your a new 30 looking to gear up for CM because you can buy it for under 500k credits and (3) if you don't like or don't have an OP marksman rifle.
Pakhan shreds in CM.
I'm not saying anything about whether it is or isn't underpowered. Just saying that it can be a really great PvE weapon for a lot of people who are working on getting geared up, and it can be bought for credits.
Blame the developers not the players for being lazy. To make any progress in the game you have to brute force insane RNG. The exploits are the quickest way to make 100's of items to maybe get a good one. They could easily up the drop rates in the DZ by 500% to give players a way to actually play the game to make progress.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Yeah good point, it's a solid weapon for new players just hitting 30 no doubt, given it's PVE perks and easy availability.
SumptuousLemur
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Thank you
peetfeet
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I just wanted to say thanks to the GAFer who posted the answers (for the day I noticed at least!) to the NVidia/Division Dark Zones Promo competition before/at(?) launch, not sure if it was in the OT or not. The one where you had to find the codes on certain websites... I got emailed last Thursday to say I was a daily winner, my booty arrived today! You guys are so good. Cheers GAF!
Kenzodielocke
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Is it still down on PC`?
I just wanted to say thanks to the GAFer who posted the answers (for the day I noticed at least!) to the NVidia/Division Dark Zones Promo competition before/at(?) launch, not sure if it was in the OT or not. The one where you had to find the codes on certain websites... I got emailed last Thursday to say I was a daily winner, my booty arrived today! You guys are so good. Cheers GAF!
I have this card. It's fantastic. I love Asus
You're talking about a min/max end game for no reason other than min/max.
The progression rate is totally fine for a player not exploiting after level 30. Start doing the daily hards to get PC and over the course of a week or two have enough PC to buy 1 or 2 HE gear blueprints to tackle Challenge Mode. Once you tackle Challenge Mode you start getting guaranteed HE drops and more PC to buy iLvl 31 blueprints/gear. It's a good progression that took me about 72 hours without getting bored (including doing all missions originally on Hard, getting all collectibles, etc). If you jack up the drop rate the normal progression gets hosed. Anything people are doing beyond gear for CM is just for min/max loot addiction purposes. Loot addiction is a fun game play loop, but only when you actually play the game.
Anyway it was a tongue in cheek comment based on the fact that you can play the game and farm loot literally without moving at this point.
Low high end drop rates are fine.
The issue is you can just farm for credits and fkn buy everything anyway. Couple that with the pheonix rain on launch week, bullet King and other exploits...
I agree with the dev that they are high end gear and shouldn't just be everywhere. But in their current implementation it's just dumb.
For one, having so many high ends craft able or buyable is dumb. Maybe if the "better" high ends were loot drops it would make sense, but that's not true. I still have yet to get a high end drop from dz or challenge mode that is better than my current purples. They drop key stats too far, and the perks aren't even that good.
Their loot system is very flawed atm
The issue is you can just farm for credits and fkn buy everything anyway. Couple that with the pheonix rain on launch week, bullet King and other exploits...
I agree with the dev that they are high end gear and shouldn't just be everywhere. But in their current implementation it's just dumb.
For one, having so many high ends craft able or buyable is dumb. Maybe if the "better" high ends were loot drops it would make sense, but that's not true. I still have yet to get a high end drop from dz or challenge mode that is better than my current purples. They drop key stats too far, and the perks aren't even that good.
Their loot system is very flawed atm
noomi
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DeathJr must be stopped! He is growing ever too powerful, and if we allow this to go on soon enough all of us will be in danger!
I am formally opening a bounty to track down and kill this ruthless (lol) player! Will pay 1000 Phoenix Credits!
DivisionGAF, we must stand united against this Dark Zone tyrant!
#STOPTHETYRANT
I am formally opening a bounty to track down and kill this ruthless (lol) player! Will pay 1000 Phoenix Credits!
DivisionGAF, we must stand united against this Dark Zone tyrant!
#STOPTHETYRANT
He has already threaten to steal my HE M1A off my cold lifeless corspe. Power has gotten to his head.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
I usually color co-ordinate mine.
SMG - Pink
Assualt - Orange
Rifle - Green
Shotgun - Teal
Total RNG is a complete clusterfuck though. Destiny lost it's collective shit when things weren't dropping and there was no other way to get them so they implemented Xur and Prison of Elders tokens as a guaranteed way to progress.
There's a good balance, and I think you nailed it, ultimate end game gear should be RNG drop but you should be able to craft your way through CM and the Incursion given enough grind time.
You say lazy, I say convenient.
I agree. HEs really aren't rare anyway, you can craft them with little effort. They're only rare if you are killing hordes of lvl 32 elites and surviving rogues. If you mindlessly farm crafting mats then youre drowning in them.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Robdraggoo
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Is the weekly reset today?
WheelHoss1
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Only reason you need that much health is if you go rogue solo in the DZ. that's why OP changed his build. But if you roll in groups I always choose DPS or everyone steals all my kills
Also different weapon scale differently. If you have less firearms the MP5 is better.
wesleyshark
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*pops popcorn*
I wish we could cross play together and unleash the power of both consoles into one mighty rogue beast
But buying or crafting high ends is such a boring design decision.
I liked destiny's original vision that every gear has its story.
How's you get that HE vector, oh it was dropped after a grueling and intense CM mission.
How'd you get that HE M1A, oh it was dropped at dz06, while I was extracting 2 agents came up and I held my breath but nothing happened so nerve wracking
How'd you get that sweet HE chest piece, we saw 2 dudes extracting and decided to go rogue. Killed them and he dropped it!
Instead it's "wow that MP5 wrecks how'd you get it?" "Lol kept farming Hornet for 5 hours, got enough PXC and mats to craft it to perfection. So boring tho."
I liked destiny's original vision that every gear has its story.
How's you get that HE vector, oh it was dropped after a grueling and intense CM mission.
How'd you get that HE M1A, oh it was dropped at dz06, while I was extracting 2 agents came up and I held my breath but nothing happened so nerve wracking
How'd you get that sweet HE chest piece, we saw 2 dudes extracting and decided to go rogue. Killed them and he dropped it!
Instead it's "wow that MP5 wrecks how'd you get it?" "Lol kept farming Hornet for 5 hours, got enough PXC and mats to craft it to perfection. So boring tho."
Maklershed
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Happened to me too. Found a red hat and check it out and it's black or very dark brown.
Looking for 3 HE Divison members to put together an elite squad to take down this tyrant and drag his corpse through DZ03.
DTR Squad assemble and roll out!
Don't worry Ruthless I got your back
noomi
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Just remember, without help you would not have won that battle. I had you running away like a little school girl.
This is not about min-maxing this is getting solid gear. Hell I would love to roll knee pads that only have 2 junk stats. That is far from min maxing but with insane RNG just getting to 2 junk stats is a real pain. I could not imagine getting anything with 1 or 0 junk stats. To get a decent weapon is a .5% chance that is just insane. I am not even talking a min max weapon that is .02% chance. So no the progression is not fine if you are playing the game normally. To get fine progression you need to exploit and that is on the developers for not playing their own damn game and understanding the insane RNG.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/4cdztq/you_will_never_get_a_perfect_roll_here_is_why/
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