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[QLQ]

I wouldn't put an asterisk against any numbers.

I think form factor is irrelevant.

Making distinctions is just cope.

Why is it irrelevant if they are engineered very differently addressing different goals and a different type of consumer? You make no sense and you're holding onto an empty sac.

 

[Hero_Select]

Oh wow PS3 sold that much?

Isn't PS5 north of 70 million?

It didnt. PS3 sold 88 million units. This chart is extremely wrong.

 

[Hero_Select]

Why is it irrelevant if they are engineered very differently addressing different goals and a different type of consumer? You make no sense and you're holding onto an empty sac.

Isn't people buying a Ps2 to play movies on it because it was the cheapest dvd player addressing an entirely different type of consumer? lol

Switch Lite plays the same exact games as Switch proper. It's the same market and same consumer aka.. people who want to play Switch games

 

[Ogbert]

Why is it irrelevant if they are engineered very differently addressing different goals and a different type of consumer? You make no sense and you're holding onto an empty sac.

The goal is exactly the same - to sell Nintendo IP.

Your argument is absurd. It's like saying a laptop isn't a pc. As if playing Half Life 2 on a laptop is materially different to playing on a desktop.

And I can assure you my sack is gloriously full.

 

[Woopah]

Home consoles are not equal to handhelds. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, they are not the same, they are not engineered the same, they are not marketed the same. They are both gaming devices, but the distinction must be made. There will always be an asterisk next to Switch total sales because it sold as a pure handheld (Lite model).

You can just include home consoles and handheld consoles in one console list. No * required

 

[QLQ]

The goal is exactly the same - to sell Nintendo IP.

Your argument is absurd. It's like saying a laptop isn't a pc. As if playing Half Life 2 on a laptop is materially different to playing on a desktop.

And I can assure you my sack is gloriously full.

So a laptop is the same as a desktop PC now too? wow..Ok dude. Keep playing out your delusions.

 

[QLQ]

You can just include home consoles and handheld consoles in one console list. No * required

Sure they're all gaming devices. But they are not the same.

Phones play games right? So I guess that the iPhone whatever is the best-selling console of all time!

 

[Ogbert]

So a laptop is the same as a desktop PC now too? wow..Ok dude. Keep playing out your delusions.

If I play Half Life 2 on a laptop with an RTX 3050 at 144 frames per second and then I play Half Life 2 on a Desktop with an RTX 3050 with a monitor refreshing at 144fps, am I experiencing the same game?

 

[m14]

Only because of handhelds. Going head to head with PlayStation on home consoles, they got destroyed almost every time.

And PS3 outsold the 360. Why do we act like it was a Wii U-level flop?

Barely. And that's despite the disaster of RROD, PS3 including a Blu-ray drive as standard and Xbox having no presence in Japan.
Congrats on barely outselling Xbox after having sold 130 million more consoles than them in the previous generation, I guess.
Shawn Layden even admitted that Sony barely survived that generation as a company.

Sony Felt 'Lucky' to Have Survived PS3 Struggles, Says Shawn Layden - PlayStation LifeStyle

In a recent interview with former PlayStation boss Shawn Layden, he gives insight on the struggles Sony had with the PS3.

www.playstationlifestyle.net

Let's see if selling TVs is enough to save them again next time.

PS2 was never only a DVD player. Switch Lite is in fact only a handheld.

PS2 could easily be used only as a DVD player. The Switch is only bought to play games.

Go ahead and put your asterisks on all consoles with music-dvd-media capabilities. Hell, people bought lots of Xbox 360s and PS3s to watch Netflix Lmao

You're ignoring the context of how important DVD was during the PS2s prime years on sale. Your comment on "lots" of 360s and PS3s being sold as streaming devices is odd when you're also attempting to deny that many customers bought the PS2 exclusively as a DVD player...
The Switch can't even stream Netflix in 2025.

 

[Woopah]

Sure they're all gaming devices. But they are not the same.

Phones play games right? So I guess that the iPhone whatever is the best-selling console of all time!

No because the iPhone is a phone. It isn't a console.

 

[QLQ]

If I play Half Life 2 on a laptop with an RTX 3050 at 144 frames per second and then I play Half Life 2 on a Desktop with an RTX 3050 with a monitor refreshing at 144fps, am I experiencing the same game?

It doesn't matter. Not the same type of hardware. You want to make it a software thing.

Anyway, the iPhone 6 dwarves all of them in sales. Best-selling console of all time!

 

[LakeOf9]

Home consoles are not equal to handhelds. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, they are not the same, they are not engineered the same, they are not marketed the same. They are both gaming devices, but the distinction must be made. There will always be an asterisk next to Switch total sales because it sold as a pure handheld (Lite model).

Media players are not equal to consoles. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, they are not the same, they are not engineered the same, they are not marketed the same. They can be gaming devices, but the distinction must be made. There will always be an asterisk next to PS2 total sales because it sold as a DVD player.

 

[QLQ]

No because the iPhone is a phone. It isn't a console.

it plays games. it a gaming device. Best-selling console everrr

 

[QLQ]

Media players are not equal to consoles. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, they are not the same, they are not engineered the same, they are not marketed the same. They can be gaming devices, but the distinction must be made. There will always be an asterisk next to PS2 total sales because it sold as a DVD player.

So did every single other console with media capabilities, and handhelds that have them as well like Steam deck

But no matter, the best-selling gaming console of all time is the iPhone 6

 

[LakeOf9]

So did every single other console with media capabilities, and handhelds that have them as well like Steam deck

But no matter, the best-selling gaming console of all time is the iPhone 6

You know how general purpose computing devices such as desktops, laptops, and tablets aren't counted among console sales?

 

[QLQ]

Barely. And that's despite the disaster of RROD, PS3 including a Blu-ray drive as standard and Xbox having no presence in Japan.
Congrats on barely outselling Xbox after having sold 130 million more consoles than them in the previous generation, I guess.
Shawn Layden even admitted that Sony barely survived that generation as a company.

Sony Felt 'Lucky' to Have Survived PS3 Struggles, Says Shawn Layden - PlayStation LifeStyle

In a recent interview with former PlayStation boss Shawn Layden, he gives insight on the struggles Sony had with the PS3.

www.playstationlifestyle.net

Let's see if selling TVs is enough to save them again next time.


PS2 could easily be used only as a DVD player. The Switch is only bought to play games.


You're ignoring the context of how important DVD was during the PS2s prime years on sale. Your comment on "lots" of 360s and PS3s being sold as streaming devices is odd when you're also attempting to deny that many customers bought the PS2 exclusively as a DVD player...
The Switch can't even stream Netflix in 2025.

Handhelds are different than stationary home consoles. Stay on denial and looking for arguments that don't do anything to change that fact.

However...iPhone 6 is the best-selling console of all time! (according to your reasoning and other's around here).

 

[Woopah]

it plays games. it a gaming device. Best-selling console everrr

If you were making a list of any device that could play video games, you could include it.

But if you were making a list specifically for consoles (like the one in the OP), then you wouldn't include it. Since it's not a console.

 

[Ogbert]

it plays games. it a gaming device. Best-selling console everrr

But phones play mobile games, not video games. So the distinction is made in terms of the software accessed. And there's a point where the argument becomes absurd - a phone also tells the time, but you wouldn't call it a watch.

 

[LakeOf9]

Guys, let's stop correcting QLQ. I think they are having a rough time coping with Sony no longer being at the top of the console pile, it's a trying time for them, we should be here and support them so they can get through it.

 

[QLQ]

You know how general purpose computing devices such as desktops, laptops, and tablets aren't counted among console sales?

You mean the same as a PS2 console isn't counted among DVD players sales? And who cares? different products handhelds and home consoles. Keep coping, I'm done with you.

 

[QLQ]

If you were making a list of any device that could play video games, you could include it.

But if you were making a list specifically for consoles (like the one in the OP), then you wouldn't include it. Since it's not a console.

But it is. If a handheld is a console, like you're saying, and PS2 is a DVD player...well, iPhone is a console by your logic. And iPhone 6 specifically is the best-selling console of all time. Again, by your (very flawed) logic.

 

[QLQ]

But phones play mobile games, not video games. So the distinction is made in terms of the software accessed. And there's a point where the argument becomes absurd - a phone also tells the time, but you wouldn't call it a watch.

omg now the argument is a mobile game is not a videogame...and even MS tells me a phone is an Xbox lmao...

I'm done with you.

 

[Ogbert]

omg now the argument is a mobile game is not a videogame...and even MS tells me a phone is an Xbox lmao...

I'm done with you.

But it's not a video game. It's a mobile game. That's why we have words. To make distinctions.

Breath of the Wild is not a handheld game. It's a video game that can be played in handheld or docked. The experience is the same.

 

[QLQ]

But it's not a video game. It's a mobile game. That's why we have words. To make distinctions.

Breath of the Wild is not a handheld game. It's a video game that can be played in handheld or docked. The experience is the same.

They are all games...VR games, motion control games, arcade games, mouse+kb only games...they're all videogames. You are so confused by this simple fact and you pretend to correct me. Please, let's leave it at that.

 

[Ogbert]

They are all games...VR games, motion control games, arcade games, mouse+kb only games...they're all videogames. You are so confused by this simple fact and you pretend to correct me. Please, let's leave it at that.

Now whose sac is empty?

 

[LakeOf9]

They are all games...VR games, motion control games, arcade games, mouse+kb only games...they're all videogames. You are so confused by this simple fact and you pretend to correct me. Please, let's leave it at that.

Now whose sac is empty?

He's so close to getting it!

 

[Woopah]

But it is. If a handheld is a console, like you're saying, and PS2 is a DVD player...well, iPhone is a console by your logic. And iPhone 6 specifically is the best-selling console of all time. Again, by your (very flawed) logic.

PS2 is a home console and PSP is a handheld console. But Xperia is not a phone console. It's just a phone.

Hence why it's not on this list https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

 

[Hero_Select]

He's so close to getting it!

lmfao. He's so close to the answer

 

[QLQ]

PS2 is a home console and PSP is a handheld console. But Xperia is not a phone console. It's just a phone.

Hence why it's not on this list https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

Dude, I'm not here arguing a phone is a console, just saying that to use the logic of people here saying PS2 (or any other console for that matter), sold as a DVD player so that somehow makes handhelds = home consoles. Handhelds =/= home consoles and are not in direct competition as equals in the market, because they are engineered different for different goals and marketed on different strengths for different types of consumers, hence the distinction must be made. People have a problem with that here. I don't give a shit. The arguments presented againsts this were "PS2 sold as DVD" < even if true, doesn't change fact handheld =/= home console. Another argument: Switch Lite plays all Switch games. Again, nothing to do with the fact the Switch Lite is not a console but a pure handheld. Have a good one.

 

[Woopah]

Dude, I'm not here arguing a phone is a console, just saying that to use the logic of people here saying PS2 (or any other console for that matter), sold as a DVD player so that somehow makes handhelds = home consoles. Handhelds =/= home consoles and are not in direct competition as equals in the market, because they are engineered different for different goals and marketed on different strengths for different types of consumers, hence the distinction must be made. People have a problem with that here. I don't give a shit. The arguments presented againsts this were "PS2 sold as DVD" < even if true, doesn't change fact handheld =/= home console. Another argument: Switch Lite plays all Switch games. Again, nothing to do with the fact the Switch Lite is not a console but a pure handheld. Have a good one.

I never said anything about DVD players, nor did I say handheld = home console.

I said that handheld consoles and home consoles are both types of consoles. Have a good one too.

 

[BlackTron]

PSP sold almost as many units as the GBA? The difference is only the number of sold Steam Decks? Newfound respect