U.N. reports Islamic State committing genocide against Yazidis

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Islamic State has nothing to do Islam. It is the most evil people in the world grouped together doing evil shit. I think what bothers me the most is that the people of Iraq had nothing to do with its inception.

I get where you are going, I really do referencing modern day secular Islam and all that jazz.

But to say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is a lie. Kind of like saying crusaders had nothing to do with Christianity.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dion-yazidis-genocide-isis-1.3638928

Liberal Party of Canada need to wake up; I love Justin Trudeau but fuck, he can sometimes be daft when it comes to acting on Foreign Affairs

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dion-yazidis-genocide-isis-1.3638928

One day later, the Liberal Foreign Affairs ministers finally says it: Stéphane Dion declares ISIS killings of Yazidi people a genocide

Maybe I am missing something, but didn't Trudeau just say on Tuesday "the UN comittee is about to give their verdict, lets just wait and see what they say, and that way we'll have non-partisan agreement?" and then like... two days later the UN said "yeah totally genocide" so now the liberal party is like "Cool, UN thinks it\s genocide, then we're all agreed".

Does it change -anything- about what is going to be done?
 
A clear look at the great evil we will all be up against in the 21st century.

Remember when they first popped up and we actually had GAF'ers here compare ISIS and fighting for the Islamic state no different than Jews from America and elsewhere joining Israeli military service etc.

These ISIS shitstains will be eradicated like the bugs they are. Only a question of when, not if.
 
Must be nice to advocate for intervention against ISIS when you've got no skin in the game. I suspect the people who are calling for action would be singing a different tune if they served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
I feel ashamed to use sarcasm but at what point do these guys stop being Islamic?

When they stop believing in one god with Mohammad as his prophet. Hitler was a Christian along with most Nazis. If you had to actually be fully aware of the teachings of your religion and in keeping with them to count, then we could conclude that there were almost zero religious people in the world.
 
That seems like it took a long time for something so obvious. The sad part is the U.N won't do anything.

Russia keeps supporting Assad who's just as bad in many aspects, Europe pretty much stays out of it, the Gulf states continue funding other horrible groups in the region.

At least the U.S has started effectively fighting them with the SDF provided with Air support. (Yeah other countries are in the coalition but they are mostly just token support)
 
When they stop believing in one god with Mohammad as his prophet. Hitler was a Christian along with most Nazis. If you had to actually be fully aware of the teachings of your religion and in keeping with them to count, then we could conclude that there were almost zero religious people in the world.

So hypothetically you could be a cannibal, and believe x files is extended hadith, think god is a sheep, but as long as you fight with an Islamic gang sign, believe Muhammad is your great great grandfather, you'd be Islamic?

Edit: again, at this point, I doubt labels matter.
 
So hypothetically you could be a cannibal, and believe x files is extended hadith, think god is a sheep, but as long as you fight with an Islamic gang sign, believe Muhammad is your great great grandfather, you'd be Islamic?

Edit: again, at this point, I doubt labels matter.

The X-files being an extended Hadith and God being a Sheep or having some Sheep like characteristics would put you at the outer fringes of Islamic theology for sure. But if you were otherwise deploying the quran as your primary holy text, worshipping Allah and believing Mohammad was his prophet, it would be tough to argue that you weren't a type of Islam. Significant doctrinal disputes are not unknown in the religion, or in other religions. Christianity is famously fragmented doctrinally.

As it relates to Deash fighters particularly though, the better comparison is realistically the one I brought up before. What religion you belong to is a matter of belief, rather than a matter of your practice. It may seem to you contradictory for someone to believe in Islam and also be a horrible murder or rapist, but this is certainly not unknown for any given religion. Either through personal failures (i.e. crimes of passion or giving in to temptations) or doctrinal disputes (i.e. Deash considering this a form of justifiable Jihad when mainstream Islamic theology vehemently disagrees), this is something that has happened throughout history and is not exclusive to any one particular religion. You can find Buddhist terrorists and murders too.
 
The X-files being an extended Hadith and God being a Sheep or having some Sheep like characteristics would put you at the outer fringes of Islamic theology for sure. But if you were otherwise deploying the quran as your primary holy text, worshipping Allah and believing Mohammad was his prophet, it would be tough to argue that you weren't a type of Islam. Significant doctrinal disputes are not unknown in the religion, or in other religions. Christianity is famously fragmented doctrinally.

As it relates to Deash fighters particularly though, the better comparison is realistically the one I brought up before. What religion you belong to is a matter of belief, rather than a matter of your practice. It may seem to you contradictory for someone to believe in Islam and also be a horrible murder or rapist, but this is certainly not unknown for any given religion. Either through personal failures (i.e. crimes of passion or giving in to temptations) or doctrinal disputes (i.e. Deash considering this a form of justifiable Jihad when mainstream Islamic theology vehemently disagrees), this is something that has happened throughout history and is not exclusive to any one particular religion. You can find Buddhist terrorists and murders too.

doctrinal dispute? Isil scholars are just... either made up... or how do I put it...? Internet certified? It's akin to an armchair doctor/psychologist diagnosing a patient's brain tumour off of wikipedia. Yeah, some might guess right, but this idea that we now have to accept these doctors as real doctors is a woefully bad idea for true believers.
So why am I supposed to take Isil seriously as a madhab? Cause they have a gun to my face? Surely for it to be authentic it should be on the merit of your work, not violence?

Violence, ironically, is exactly why we do take them seriously. We take them seriously because they are violent and powerful. I mean it's not because they're supported by Muslim organisations is it? They're denounced by pretty much every big Muslim organisation out there, no? Even extremist muslim preachers here in the UK denounced them, when they don't reject salafism. Isil are denounced even by salafist-jihadist leaders last I checked - I mean surely this means it isn't a pr exercise? The Muslim world isn't rejecting isis like a bad smell, just cause, but because they know their texts. So when the ummah rejects isil, I have to ask, why ought Muslims to give Isil legitimacy? It's become schizophrenic to condemn isil, when you don't consider their agenda islamic.

Am I supposed to listen to Isil just because they have a voice then?

edit: Actually, on reflection, ISIS does have support for being legit; but that's by people such as yourselves, whose definition includes absolutely anybody and anything remotely close to Islam. As well as pretty much any anti-religious blogger or new age atheist activist, or ex-muslim expert on islam.
I suppose in the academia space, there might be more latitude too.
 
doctrinal dispute? Isil scholars are just... either made up... or how do I put it...? Internet certified? It's akin to an armchair doctor/psychologist diagnosing a patient's brain tumour off of wikipedia. Yeah, some might guess right, but this idea that we now have to accept these doctors as real doctors is a woefully bad idea for true believers.
So why am I supposed to take Isil seriously as a madhab? Cause they have a gun to my face? Surely for it to be authentic it should be on the merit of your work, not violence?

Violence, ironically, is exactly why we do take them seriously. We take them seriously because they are violent and powerful. I mean it's not because they're supported by Muslims organisations is it? They're denounced by pretty much every big Muslim organisation out there, no? Even extremist muslim preachers here in the UK denounced them, when they don't reject salafism. Isil are denounced even by salafist-jihadist leaders last I checked - I mean surely this means it isn't a pr exercise? The Muslim world isn't rejecting isis like a bad smell, just cause, but because they know their texts. So when the ummah rejects isil, I have to ask, why ought Muslims to give Isil legitimacy? It's become schizophrenic to condemn isil, when you don't consider their agenda islamic.

Am I supposed to listen to Isil just because they have a voice then?

edit: Actually, on reflection, ISIS does have support for being a legit; but that's by people such as yourselves, whose definition includes absolutely anybody and anything remotely close to Islam. As well as pretty much any anti-religious blogger or new age atheist activist, or ex-muslim expert on islam.

You're entirely missing the point. The majority of christians don't listen to the KKK or the westboro baptist chruch, but those organizations are Christian nonetheless. They're not supported by the majority of Christians, in fact they're reviled, but that doesn't mean they're not Christian.
 
You're entirely missing the point. The majority of christians don't listen to the KKK or the westboro baptist chruch, but those organizations are Christian nonetheless. They're not supported by the majority of Christians, in fact they're reviled, but that doesn't mean they're not Christian.

Am I capable of seeing your point and disagreeing with you?
 
I mean outside of a full scale ground invasion what more could the US be doing? This is so heatbreaking.

Take them as refugees. I don't know the numbers of Yazidis fleeing from ISIS, but they sure shouldn't stay years in the overpopulated camps in Lebanon and Turkey.
 
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