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U.S. Government To Use Satellites To Spy On Citizens

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U.S. to Expand
Domestic Use
Of Spy Satellites

By ROBERT BLOCK
August 15, 2007
The U.S.'s top intelligence official has greatly expanded the range of federal and local authorities who can get access to information from the nation's vast network of spy satellites in the U.S.

The decision, made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, places for the first time some of the U.S.'s most powerful intelligence-gathering tools at the disposal of domestic security officials. The move was authorized in a May 25 memo sent to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking his department to facilitate access to the spy network on behalf of civilian agencies and law enforcement.

Until now, only a handful of federal civilian agencies, such as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, have had access to the most basic spy-satellite imagery, and only for the purpose of scientific and environmental study.

According to officials, one of the department's first objectives will be to use the network to enhance border security, determine how best to secure critical infrastructure and help emergency responders after natural disasters. Sometime next year, officials will examine how the satellites can aid federal and local law-enforcement agencies, covering both criminal and civil law. The department is still working on determining how it will engage law enforcement officials and what kind of support it will give them.

Access to the high-tech surveillance tools would, for the first time, allow Homeland Security and law-enforcement officials to see real-time, high-resolution images and data, which would allow them, for example, to identify smuggler staging areas, a gang safehouse, or possibly even a building being used by would-be terrorists to manufacture chemical weapons.

Overseas -- the traditional realm of spy satellites -- the system was used to monitor tank movements during the Cold War. Today, it's used to monitor suspected terrorist hideouts, smuggling routes for weapons in Iraq, nuclear tests and the movement of nuclear materials, as well as to make detailed maps for U.S. soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Plans to provide DHS with significantly expanded access have been on the drawing board for over two years. The idea was first talked about as a possibility by the Central Intelligence Agency after 9/11 as a way to help better secure the country. "It is an idea whose time has arrived," says Charles Allen, the DHS's chief intelligence officer, who will be in charge of the new program. DHS officials say the program has been granted a budget by Congress and has the approval of the relevant committees in both chambers.

Wiretap Legislation

Coming on the back of legislation that upgraded the administration's ability to wiretap terrorist suspects without warrants, the development is likely to heat up debate about the balance between civil liberties and national security.

Access to the satellite surveillance will be controlled by a new Homeland Security branch -- the National Applications Office -- which will be up and running in October. Homeland Security officials say the new office will build on the efforts of its predecessor, the Civil Applications Committee. Under the direction of the Geological Survey, the Civil Applications Committee vets requests from civilian agencies wanting spy data for environmental or scientific study. The Geological Survey has been one of the biggest domestic users of spy-satellite information, to make topographic maps.

Unlike electronic eavesdropping, which is subject to legislative and some judicial control, this use of spy satellites is largely uncharted territory. Although the courts have permitted warrantless aerial searches of private property by law-enforcement aircraft, there are no cases involving the use of satellite technology.

In recent years, some military experts have questioned whether domestic use of such satellites would violate the Posse Comitatus Act. The act bars the military from engaging in law-enforcement activity inside the U.S., and the satellites were predominantly built for and owned by the Defense Department.

According to Pentagon officials, the government has in the past been able to supply information from spy satellites to federal law-enforcement agencies, but that was done on a case-by-case basis and only with special permission from the president.

Even the architects of the current move are unclear about the legal boundaries. A 2005 study commissioned by the U.S. intelligence community, which recommended granting access to the spy satellites for Homeland Security, noted: "There is little if any policy, guidance or procedures regarding the collection, exploitation and dissemination of domestic MASINT." MASINT stands for Measurement and Signatures Intelligence, a particular kind of information collected by spy satellites which would for the first time become available to civilian agencies.

According to defense experts, MASINT uses radar, lasers, infrared, electromagnetic data and other technologies to see through cloud cover, forest canopies and even concrete to create images or gather data.

Tracking Weapons

The spy satellites are considered by military experts to be more penetrating than civilian ones: They not only take color, as well as black-and-white photos, but can also use different parts of the light spectrum to track human activities, including, for example, traces left by chemical weapons or heat generated by people in a building.

Mr. Allen, the DHS intelligence chief, said the satellites have the ability to take a "multidimensional" look at ports and critical infrastructure from space to identify vulnerabilities. "There are certain technical abilities that will assist on land borders...to try to identify areas where narcotraficantes or alien smugglers may be moving dangerous people or materials," he said.

The full capabilities of these systems are unknown outside the intelligence community, because they are among the most closely held secrets in government.

Some civil-liberties activists worry that without proper oversight, only those inside the National Application Office will know what is being monitored from space.

"You are talking about enormous power," said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel and director of the Project on Freedom, Security and Technology for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit group advocating privacy rights in the digital age. "Not only is the surveillance they are contemplating intrusive and omnipresent, it's also invisible. And that's what makes this so dangerous."

Mr. Allen, the DHS intelligence chief, says the department is cognizant of the civil-rights and privacy concerns, which is why he plans to take time before providing law-enforcement agencies with access to the data. He says DHS will have a team of lawyers to review requests for access or use of the systems.

"This all has to be vetted through a legal process," he says. "We have to get this right because we don't want civil-rights and civil-liberties advocates to have concerns that this is being misused in ways which were not intended."

DHS's Mr. Allen says that while he can't talk about the program's capabilities in detail, there is a tendency to overestimate its powers. For instance, satellites in orbit are constantly moving and can't settle over an area for long periods of time. The platforms also don't show people in detail. "Contrary to what some people believe you cannot see if somebody needs a haircut from space," he says.

James Devine, a senior adviser to the director of the Geological Survey, who is chairman of the committee now overseeing satellite-access requests, said traditional users of the spy-satellite data in the scientific community are concerned that their needs will be marginalized in favor of security concerns. Mr. Devine said DHS has promised him that won't be the case, and also has promised to include a geological official on a new interagency executive oversight committee that will monitor the activities of the National Applications Office.

Mr. Devine says officials who vetted requests for the scientific community also are worried about the civil-liberties implications when DHS takes over the program. "We took very seriously our mission and made sure that there was no chance of inappropriate usage of the material," Mr. Devine says. He says he hopes oversight of the new DHS program will be "rigorous," but that he doesn't know what would happen in cases of complaints about misuse.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118714764716998275.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks

"National Applications Office"? Does that sound sufficiently ambiguous and creepy?
 

BuG

Member
or heat generated by people in a building.
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JayDubya

Banned
I see no problem with the use of them along the border. Beyond that, however, they would need a warrant for a highly specific use.

If they're unwilling to procure such a warrant as a matter of neccessity, then they don't deserve the power.

The DHS needs to be axed. Most of the Departments need to be axed, though.

As technology advances, we will need to be vigilant to make sure that the powers that be do not abuse their new toys. The Defense Department's R&D teams no doubt have things far beyond orbital satellites. And that's fine and dandy. Such things are useful. The important thing is that they are not misused.
 

JKBii

Member
You know the phrase, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry. Like Jay said, this won't be done without a warrant.
 

JayDubya

Banned
JKBii said:
You know the phrase, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry. Like Jay said, this won't be done without a warrant.

Oh no, I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm quite worried.

I'm worried because people in power will want to use this technology without a warrant. I don't see this as a Democrat thing or a Republican thing either, simply an authoritarian thing, and authoritarians hold the reigns of power in both parties.
 
JayDubya said:
The DHS needs to be axed. Most of the Departments need to be axed, though.

I think they should just give it a more proper name, such as Department of Fatherland Security, or Department of Cronnie Job Security.

I totally agree though, this is just waiting to get abused. If only some of the passion people feel for the second amendment could be extended to the 4th!
 

dog$

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JKBii said:
You know the phrase, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry. Like Jay said, this won't be done without a warrant.
That is bullshit.

If you have nothing to hide, I don't want my tax dollars wasted upon spying on you.
djkimothy said:
Isn't it illeagal to spy on your own citizens?
Yeah, sure is.

Let's go arrest the government. Who's first? You? Hope it's you, I'm still tying my boots.

Oh hey while you're at it, here's a bell - that cat over there needs to wear it.
 

djkimothy

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dog$ said:
you.Yeah, sure is.

Let's go arrest the government. Who's first? You? Hope it's you, I'm still tying my boots.

Oh hey while you're at it, here's a bell - that cat over there needs to wear it.

I live in Canada. You go first.
 

JKBii

Member
JayDubya said:
Oh no, I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm quite worried.

I'm worried because people in power will want to use this technology without a warrant. I don't see this as a Democrat thing or a Republican thing either, simply an authoritarian thing, and authoritarians hold the reigns of power in both parties.
It shouldn't be done without a warrant rather, but I can't really see a case where it would be done by any of the most likely presidential candidates. Bush would, but the guy doesn't have much time left. The Department of Homeland Security still doesn't care about you cheating on your girlfriend, so what if they have an eye in the sky?
 
JodyAnthony said:
not like we havent been being spied on for decades already
Of course, but to quote from the article, "Not only is the surveillance they are contemplating intrusive and omnipresent, it's also invisible. And that's what makes this so dangerous."
 

mrmrec2

Banned
If you are not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about.

*starts making "NO TO BIG BROTHER!" protest sign
 
Shinoobi said:
...did you just rap?
:lol
BuG said:
:lol I had to put on a beat and recite his line after that.
ditto. :)

but this news is kind of bad. I had a teacher tell us in class that there is this department of the DHS that keeps getting shut down because people keep finding out that it's doing illegal shit so they just wait a few months, change its name, and then start up again. maybe this is an extension of that?
 

Dilbert

Member
This is a MAJOR change in policy. People should be rightfully concerned about the implications of this decision.
 
I wish they would make some of this stuff available under a limited basis

Regularly updated super high resolution sat imagery would be huge for people who work in the government sector of my particular job (GIS)

For the greater good.
 

Armitage

Member
I'm worried about all the criminals in this thread. If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem? You all belong in Gitmo.
 
-jinx- said:
This is a MAJOR change in policy. People should be rightfully concerned about the implications of this decision.

Between habeas corpus getting thrown out the window, indefinite detentions, legislated torture, warrantless surveillance of American citizens (now with legal juju!)... I'm not sure I'd call this a major shift in policy. I mean, it's troubling and all, but we've been on this track for a little bit now haven't we?
 

Odrion

Banned
I'm totally going to be sitting on my lawn chair and masturbating towards the sky.

Wait, what's this topic about again?
 

Dilbert

Member
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
Between habeas corpus getting thrown out the window, indefinite detentions, legislated torture, warrantless surveillance of American citizens (now with legal juju!)... I'm not sure I'd call this a major shift in policy. I mean, it's troubling and all, but we've been on this track for a little bit now haven't we?
It's a major shift in policy for the systems in question. I'm not saying it isn't part of an overall trend.
 

WalkMan

Banned
I think the next step is to build an ion cannon floating in our sky always pointed at us - a la Justice League. For preventing possible terrorist attacks of course :D .
 
I'd suggest that we all go outside, pull our pants down, and moon the sky but I'm afraid that passers-by would get the wrong impression and more than a few GAF'fers would lose their virginity in ways they didn't have in mind.
 

Dolphin

Banned
Odrion said:
I'm totally going to be sitting on my lawn chair and masturbating towards the sky.

Wait, what's this topic about again?
Don't be silly, there's no reason to go outside. Your heat signature is visible through your roof.
 

Dilbert

Member
WickedAngel said:
I'd suggest that we all go outside, pull our pants down, and moon the sky but I'm afraid that passers-by would get the wrong impression and more than a few GAF'fers would lose their virginity in ways they didn't have in mind.
The article mentions MASINT, not ASSINT. Put your pants back on.
 

WingM@n

Member
Dear Americans, your constitution now is a worthless piece of paper.
Thanks to uncle Bush and his croonies...
<sarcasm>
But please don't go out and demonstrate against all this, stay a sheep or else you're one of them (terrorist). Don't worry, ýou don't have anything to hide, do you ? </sarcasm>
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