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[Royal_Phalanx]

Theresa May will allow MPs to vote on any proposed Brexit deal before it is put to the European parliament in a significant concession designed to see off the threat of a Conservative backbench rebellion.

David Jones, a Brexit minister, made the announcement on Tuesday in the House of Commons at the start of a four-hour debate on how MPs will be asked to approve the final form of a deal with the EU, after two years of talks.

“The government will bring forward a motion on the final agreement to be approved by both houses of parliament before it is concluded,” he told MPs. “We expect and intend that this will happen before the European parliament debates and votes on the final agreement.”

At first, the move was praised by Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, who began by saying the issue was a “dividing line” before Jones intervened to offer the concession.

“That is a huge and very important concession about the process we are about to embark on. The argument I have made about a vote over the last three months is that the vote must cover the article 50 deal and any future relationship and that it must take place before the deal has been concluded,” Starmer said.

A surprised Starmer was then left struggling for issues to talk about, since he said Labour’s demands for a meaningful vote at the end of the negotiating period had “been met in large part”.

The issue initially appeared to satisfy the Labour frontbench but a number of MPs stood up to urge Jones to outline further details about the form of the vote, given parliament was about to proceed with a four-hour debate on the issue.

Ben Bradshaw, a Labour former minister, said the scope of the vote was equally important, as MPs could be “faced with a choice between hard Brexit and World Trade Organisation rules, which is no choice”.

Ken Clarke, the pro-EU Conservative former chancellor, warned Labour that “leaping on a concession may be unwise before we are sure what it amounts to”.

Jones confirmed later that a House of Commons vote on the Brexit deal would be on a “take it or leave it” basis, meaning the government would not go back the negotiating table with Brussels if MPs did not like the proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-mps-vote-on-brexit-deal-head-off-tory-revolt

 

[hydrophilic attack]

guess she's backpedaling from brexit after rump cut her off for making fun of his hands

 

[SpaceWolf]

guess she's backpedaling from brexit after rump cut her off for making fun of his hands

Fuck President Rump.

 

[Spaghetti]

Seems kinda fucked that despite the "will of the people" talk, this has led to the only real decision being placed in the hands of MPs.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Well they obviously feel confident in doing this now they know that no-one (except Ken Clarke) in their party is going to rebel. Baring some big political shift, It'll just be a formality like the other votes relating to Article 50.

 

[shiyrley]

Just to be clear: Does this mean there are any real chances of Brexit not happening?

 

[QuantumBro]

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Just to be clear: Does this mean there are any real chances of Brexit not happening?

No.

 

[Dynasty]

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

This.

 

[liquidtmd]

"We will give you a vote but fuck you, you guys better just waive it through whatever it is because blah blah will of the people even if it means the people dying like the poor fuckers they are"

 

[Des0lar]

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

Lol10

 

[Lego Boss]

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

Corbyn couldn't push a wheelchair.

He needs fucking off pronto. Worst oposition leader I can recall in living memory (including IBS).

 

[autumnleaf]

Pointless really, they won't dare vote against it.

 

[Jezbollah]

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

Sure. That'll turn Labour into the small movement that Jeremy Corbyn has always wanted.

 

[gofreak]

Just to be clear: Does this mean there are any real chances of Brexit not happening?

No. Just a vote on whether UK accepts the deal or leaves without any deal.

 

[nature boy]

Still not sure WTF is the "Brexit deal".

Surely going to take a long time to sort everything out.

 

[Wilsongt]

So... Just out of curiosity, exactly what did Farange, Johnson, and UKIP get out of this deal that made pushing Brexit so important to them?

 

[Shadowhelper]

Well they obviously feel confident in doing this now they know that no-one (except Ken Clarke) in their party is going to rebel. Baring some big political shift, It'll just be a formality like the other votes relating to Article 50.

Exactly. This is meaningless. The tories hands are all tied by the referendum, and Labour under Corbyn is not going to fight it either.

Brexit is happening. No one is fighting it. It will be a hard Brexit. The economy will take a good hit, probably a 08 type recession following it.

 

[Dougald]

So... Just out of curiosity, exactly what did Farange, Johnson, and UKIP get out of this deal that made pushing Brexit so important to them?

All Farage/UKIP have ever wanted is to leave the EU, and Farage is pretty cosy with Murdoch who also hates it

Johnson likely never expected to win and wanted to use his leadership of the Leave campaign to propel him to the head of the Tory party/PM in 2020 when Cameron was going to step down.

 

[andythinkpad]

It looks like she is making concession for the hard brexiters, not the soft brexitiers

 

[nature boy]

So... Just out of curiosity, exactly what did Farange, Johnson, and UKIP get out of this deal that made pushing Brexit so important to them?

Immigration. Cause there are places that don't speak English

Spoiler

/s

Will lose in everything else.

 

[Camp Freddie]

It's a clever move by May.

The take-it-or-leave-it vote will be hard to oppose unless the deal is utter shit, since the alternative is to crash out into WTO rules which will also be utterly shit for everyone.
Labour will probably be forced to vote for the Brexit deal, like they're being forced to vote for Art.50.
This will disarm Labour, since they'll find it hard to criticise the Tories for Brexit in the next election, since the Tories can just say, "You voted for it too".

I'd like to think that after 2 years of fuckery and our next biggest trade partner being Trump, we might just say that maybe 48:52 is pretty much 50:50 and maybe we should just forget about the whole thing... but I know that will never happen

 

[oti]

Option A: Hard Brexit (bad)
Option B: WTO (disaster)

Pick one!

Yay.

 

[Ghost]

not really a concession when the alternative is still leaving but with no deal at all and complete chaos.

Though I'm sure there will be labour supporters saying they should vote against it.

 

[Purkake4]

Backup for the no deal being better than a bad deal?

 

[PJV3]

If it's a shit deal but the only alternative is WTO then Labour should just abstain. Let the tories own it one way or the other.

 

[Morat]

Option A: Hard Brexit (bad)
Option B: WTO (disaster)

Pick one!

Yay.

Yeah, it;s quite clever really. If they block it, May can say it was Parliaments fault so they will rubber stamp whatever shite plan they come up with.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Uhh, if they don't approve a deal, then there's no agreement. If the deal is really bad, that might be the best option.

Extending EU membership would require unanimous EU member approval....The EU is not really a practical beast and yes, it's not bilateral approval to keep privileges (and obligations) another year, but the approval of 27 members plus the European parliament to do so. Everyone has a veto, it's insane.

Labour should really be pushing for another nationwide vote once the details are finalized.

The Lib Dems have been doing this, and it's just not practical with how the time frame will be, and both options will be hard Brexits, just hopefully one with a tolerable free trade agreement. The Lib Dems are undermining people's intelligence by proposing that vote.

Full WTO membership is going to be a nightmare...you need every member state to approve you IIRC, but Argentina is not getting their hands on the Falklands, nor Spain on Gibraltar. They'll both try and possibly veto without it. It'll be an unpleasant business.

 

[Pyramid head]

We should just pose the question directly to Robert Maxwell and see what he wants us to do instead of prolonging this "will of the people" charade.