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[LewieP]

This is pretty tame as far as racist tory rhetoric goes.

 

[Audioboxer]

Well I think what was reported was pretty much rubbished by most people. Either way, whether it was press, bad polls, a feeling in the water or a really scathing hashtag, that's more or less how politics and democracy is supposed to function; Ideas get punted out there, the popular ones survive, the unpopular ones don't and thus popularity is pursued. I don't think there's much virtue to getting the law involved in that process.

It's more survival of the fittest, like the process of evolution. That doesn't always mean what survives is objectively the best/popular, and in such cases you need to dig down as to why something objectively criticisable/poor/ineffective came out on top. The lefts fear of doing this, and I call it a fear, leads to further survival of right wing beliefs emerging on top.

Living in a world where a hashtag campaign or simply "fuck this, fuck you, you x" is seen as the effective way to respond, is not actually digging down to understand and react. Those at the top don't tend to behave that rash on camera/in public, but you can almost tell they are no different from a raging twitter poster with the way in which they double-down on spending more time name-calling their opponents in a slightly more polite way than saying "fuck you", instead of going to work to turn a ship around. Many liberals and leftists simply don't want to touch something like immigration for the fear that the public will go full on savage on their own. Which the public do, hence many on the left currently hair-dryer treating their own constantly, leading to disillusion, constant bickering, and so many people just in a perpetual state of living 24/7 as a liberal/leftist being pissed off at everything. It's a toxic environment to be in when you can hardly discuss any of life's most complex topics. To which you will snarkily get quoted and fed the ever popular "just asking questions, amirite?". Yeah, questioning is how the world turns, so that rebuttal is used far too often when it's not necessary.

 

[twobear]

No, this one is all on the press - they misreported it. You can check for yourself the alarmist headlines of the MSM vs the *actual words and intent* which are all on public record.

Above we can see that this professor has based his complain on things he's heard, which would obviously primarily come from these headlines, he hasn't even bothered to check it was true.

As I recall, the bit about 'naming and shaming' firms that employed foreign workers came from a scoop by a newspaper, not the speech she gave.

 

[haxamin]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/amber-rudds-conservative-party-speech-treated-hate-incident/

However, he admitted to the BBC's Daily Politics that he had based on his complaint on "feedback" from the speech and had only read a draft of the speech after Ms Rudd delivered it in Birmingham.

 

[Silphonica]

I'm going to go anecdotal here, and play devils advocate, as im sure this isnt a situation unique to me.

I am a manager, all my staff bar one is from eastern european countries. Not hired by me.

Out of a team of 23 eastern europeans I manage. 4 speak english, and 2 of them not so well. First and foremost, this is a health and safety issue, in a manufacturing environment, having so many people who cant read safety signs for example or chemical labels, poses a real issue. Training only goes so far, because I cant quantify how much of that training sticks in their head. Which worries me. Secondly, how do you give orders to someone who cant understand you? Outwith their day to day routine, when you try to induce step improvement plans that exist outwith what they are used to, you can end up in a closed loop of people just not getting the message you want to conceive. This isnt just my department, this is an issue site-wide.

I managed to convince HR to pass hiring over to me, and ive put down a decent level of english as a requirement to work on site. Out of the last position i filled, I had 10 applicants. 9 eastern european, 1 scottish. The interviews for the eastern europeans were a no-go, not a single person spoke english. So I hired the scottish guy, who lasted 2 weeks before I had to fire him for turning up to 2 shifts out of 8 (which is not uncommon when I hire local people).

It's a constant ongoing headache and issue, and i fully agree we couldnt survive without the labour immigration provides, but there has to be a trade-off.

"I don't think we should have a situation where we can't talk about immigration. We must not ignore the fact that people want to talk about immigration and if we do talk about immigration don't call me a racist."

I dont like the tories.

I love eastern european just as much as I love anyone else.

But I agree with this quote.

 

[SteveWD40]

The entire cabinet seem to be playing to their hardcore back bench right now, I doubt half of them believe the shit they are saying.

Cameron and Osbourne never seemed as concerned with the back bench fringe, I guess winning a majority does that for you...

 

[system11]

I managed to convince HR to pass hiring over to me, and ive put down a decent level of english as a requirement to work on site. Out of the last position i filled, I had 10 applicants. 9 eastern european, 1 scottish. The interviews for the eastern europeans were a no-go, not a single person spoke english. So I hired the scottish guy, who lasted 2 weeks before I had to fire him for turning up to 2 shifts out of 8 (which is not uncommon when I hire local people).

Try doing technical interviews for off-shore IT staff. You have no idea, that's true futility right there.

 

[Audioboxer]

I'm going to go anecdotal here, and play devils advocate, as im sure this isnt a situation unique to me.

I am a manager, all my staff bar one is from eastern european countries. Not hired by me.

Out of a team of 23 eastern europeans I manage. 4 speak english, and 2 of them not so well. First and foremost, this is a health and safety issue, in a manufacturing environment, having so many people who cant read safety signs for example or chemical labels, poses a real issue. Training only goes so far, because I cant quantify how much of that training sticks in their head. Which worries me. Secondly, how do you give orders to someone who cant understand you? Outwith their day to day routine, when you try to induce step improvement plans that exist outwith what they are used to, you can end up in a closed loop of people just not getting the message you want to conceive. This isnt just my department, this is an issue site-wide.

I managed to convince HR to pass hiring over to me, and ive put down a decent level of english as a requirement to work on site. Out of the last position i filled, I had 10 applicants. 9 eastern european, 1 scottish. The interviews for the eastern europeans were a no-go, not a single person spoke english. So I hired the scottish guy, who lasted 2 weeks before I had to fire him for turning up to 2 shifts out of 8 (which is not uncommon when I hire local people).

It's a constant ongoing headache and issue, and i fully agree we couldnt survive without the labour immigration provides, but there has to be a trade-off.



I dont like the tories.

I love eastern european just as much as I love anyone else.

But I agree with this quote.

Damn Scots, letting the team down again lol.

 

[samn]

First of all, this is a non-story

Second of all, I can't believe people would actually want this kind of speech to be illegal

 

[Kurdel]

"Non-crime hate incident" is a weird string of words

 

[CyclopsRock]

Damn Scots, letting the team down again lol.

Surprised he passed the English test too tbh.