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UK to start Phase 1 of Digital ID in 2025
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Audiophile
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They can see my driving license and that's it. I already feel grubby enough having a gov.uk login.
INC
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Donald mac Ronald
Member
UK already locking people up with long sentences for posting memes on Facebook .
UK badly needs a constitution with free speech enshrined.
It will create a log of where it was scanned, how long before we start slipping more and more towards a China Social Credit system where you'll be punished for the places you visit, or worse?
V1LÆM
Gold Member
I’m not sure about it. Seems it could be useful but then they get even more info on us. I believe some USA states already have digital ID/driving license they can store on their phone. So it’s not like it’s just the UK doing it….but USA isn’t a good example lol
Also we’re looking at bringing in digital cash. It’s not the same as putting money in your bank. I think it’s like some cryptocurrency (could be wrong) backed by the BoE. The price won’t change like Bitcoin. Digital £10 will always be £10 same as a £10 note. Personally I don’t like using cash anymore but it’s still good to have physical coins/notes. It doesn’t seem like physical money is going to disappear.
I know your card spending can be tracked but digital cash sounds like it will again offer more information to companies/governments.
Data is the real currency now.
Also we’re looking at bringing in digital cash. It’s not the same as putting money in your bank. I think it’s like some cryptocurrency (could be wrong) backed by the BoE. The price won’t change like Bitcoin. Digital £10 will always be £10 same as a £10 note. Personally I don’t like using cash anymore but it’s still good to have physical coins/notes. It doesn’t seem like physical money is going to disappear.
I know your card spending can be tracked but digital cash sounds like it will again offer more information to companies/governments.
Data is the real currency now.
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mitch1971
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
With all the wacky stuff you hear in England, you English folks changed. Not talking the people, but the government. The stories you hear about cops arresting people for trivial things like people have to act like they are walking on eggshells is crazy stuff.
Your gov change big time. It was only 80 years ago, the Brits were in with all the other allies fighting German in WWII for freedom. Now your beat cops let shit happen, and when locals protest trying to use free speech, the protesters will get arrested more than the mobs causing trouble they are protesting against.
Your gov change big time. It was only 80 years ago, the Brits were in with all the other allies fighting German in WWII for freedom. Now your beat cops let shit happen, and when locals protest trying to use free speech, the protesters will get arrested more than the mobs causing trouble they are protesting against.
near
Member
I mean, your digital footprint can already be traced. When I go out I literally only ever use my phone to make purchases, the location and purchase is logged by my bank. Apple and Google know where I am at any given moment. I'm not really concerned about my privacy in that regard, I forfeited this when I embraced smart phones. But I just don't see us ever having a Social Credit system here.
dsp
Member
And if you don't carry a phone? I've already had to get rid of Google shit since they want to tie everything to a phone, that two factor bullshit. Endless fucking digital nonsense. I'm living like it's the 90s.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
My parents are in their 80s and dont have a cellphone and dont want one. They are old school and would pull out any plastic cards for any ID or transactions.
An HVAC company he uses dont email or call reminders for annual service. They only push text notifications. So my dad asked me if he could add my number to his profile so I get the text, and then I tell him the reminder.
Ridiculous. But some companies cant even handle email or leaving a canned voice message. My dad does have an email and home phone you can leave messages. But some places want to streamline it to the least effort.
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Laptop1991
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Too much control and not the real reason behind it, and i won't pay 5 quid a pint as it is now, people already are drinking at home and thousands of pub's have shut in the last 20 years, as posted above George Orwell was right!.
Laptop1991
Member
No you don't, only if you watch or record live BBC streams or the I Player, you can own a TV without paying a license in England, i've told them for over 10 years now i don't need one as i don't watch the BBC's crap anymore and i have never even had a visit, just an email saying they would contact me in 2 years, although they sent me a sales pitch email when i signed up for prime strangely.
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Only if you watch LIVE TV or record LIVE programs.
A friend of mine owns a TV but only watches streaming services like Netflix or Disney+ or Twitch, so she doesn't pay for it because it's not needed for that.
Also, I don't mind Digital IDs if they're optional. I don't carry my bank cards, so if I go somewhere where ID might be required, it'd be nice to just have it on my phone, the same way I pay with Apple Pay.
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sono
Gold Member
I have not studied the implementation in detail, however reading the op it says "You can prove your age with the phone in your hand."
So taking that at face value, your phone is your id so you can be tracked anywhere in the UK in range of a mast
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
mitch1971
Member
That ain't happening.
There's a slight difference between your bank knowing and the actual Government directly knowing where you are and what you've bought, look at other factors like how the DWP wants to try and get rid of money and issue people wityh vouchers to specific stores instead to make sure the money isn't spent how they'd like, how long before people on Universal Credit, Pensions, etc, not be allowed to spend money on alcohol or whatever other items are deemed not acceptable, or maybe they'd dock the cost of those items off the next payments? This could be open for soo much abuse and let's not even get into the digital safety of this which knowing the UK Government could be open for attacks and exploiting.
Nintendo's Witch
Member
The UK is not EU tho
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That is kind of funny.
You'd think a continent with a shit load of people and countries for eons could get on the train and do some high end tech stuff.
Well all the big tech were doing business out of Ireland
Edit: Pharma also great in the UK, it just then gets sold to the US. The Astra Zenica COVID jab was designed in the UK and was meant to be free before Gates bought it.
Edit 2: and Quantum Dots were started in the UK before being sold to LG, and Graphine material research.
The UK is great for things like that but money talks when the Government refuses to invest so the tech and research is sold.
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near
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There are two distinct points to consider here. The first concerns government surveillance of your movements, while the second pertains to the government’s control over your movements and spending. I have no objection to the government tracking my movements, including my spending habits. This information is already recorded, and the government can gain access to it if they really want. I don't even care if they have direct access to it.
But yes, you’d be silly not to be concerned if the government were to implement a system that not only regulates spending but also determines the locations where funds are spent. This is exactly the capability that CBDC, the digital pound proposed by the Bank of England, possesses. I don’t know enough about it, but it will be a scary future if its completely integrated into our country. This is what I think you're largely referring to.
Mithos
Member
No choice in Sweden, its automatically drawn through your taxes**, used to be "voluntary" if you payed or not before.
** Currently a maximum of 1249 SEK/year or 1% of you income if its below 124903 SEK/year
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Werewolf Jones
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This country is so shit.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
With all the wacky stuff you hear in England, you English folks changed. Not talking the people, but the government. The stories you hear about cops arresting people for trivial things like people have to act like they are walking on eggshells is crazy stuff.
Your gov change big time. It was only 80 years ago, the Brits were in with all the other allies fighting German in WWII for freedom. Now your beat cops let shit happen, and when locals protest trying to use free speech, the protesters will get arrested more than the mobs causing trouble they are protesting against.
As a Brit, don't disagree with you. You can locked up for posting or saying something that others might find offensive.
People have been dragged to court just for posting a single word, regardless of the context.
Freedom of speech doesn't exist in my country. It sometimes feels like I'm living in a black mirror episode.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Absolute shithole of a country. Hard pass for me, will never enroll in digital ID.
Having lived in both the UK and US, I'll say the only good tihng about the UK is the NHS and that anywhere I walk near my house I'm surrounded by ancient castles, abbeys and ruins that are straight out of Nosgoth or Demon Souls.
Having lived in both the UK and US, I'll say the only good tihng about the UK is the NHS and that anywhere I walk near my house I'm surrounded by ancient castles, abbeys and ruins that are straight out of Nosgoth or Demon Souls.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Britain’s love regulating their citizens too.
Did you make a mean Facebook post. Straight to jail.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
So what if you need ID for a fucking scoop when you're out. Go and sit in your safe fucking space or something and cry about the mean world you live in.
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Werewolf Jones
Member
You gotta live in Wales or some Yorkshire Council Estate.
I walk around outside and see fly tipped couches or mattresses. We are not the same.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
And a fucking fridge.
Trunx81
Member
You are right. Trump should put that in place in the us, for voting.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Correct.
Although I won't ever forget my childhood council estate where every front garden had either a bombed out car, matress, couch or fridge freezer in the fucken front garden!
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Workers rights are also a lot better in the UK.
I get 28 days paid holiday per year, but I think the average is around 25. I also don't need to eat into my holiday for a medical appointment and get full sick pay. I can even sign myself off sick for up to 7 days without a sick note and get full pay.
Workers rights in the US are dystopian in comparison to the UK and a majority of Europe.
The NHS is good in practice, but it's currently on its knees with our ever expanding population.
Tams
Member
I'll have to tread careful here, lol.
This won't fix the real problem we have, as those people aren't going to be getting any ID.
The current lot we have in power have been an utter shitshow in a mere 5 months.
And they can get fucked joking about the cost of living. We plebs are allowed to joke about that, not those in power.
This won't fix the real problem we have, as those people aren't going to be getting any ID.
The current lot we have in power have been an utter shitshow in a mere 5 months.
And they can get fucked joking about the cost of living. We plebs are allowed to joke about that, not those in power.
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The Government already has a Digital ID on you... All this does is give you access to your own Digital ID too.
Tams
Member
Proper policing would solve this. Having local bobbies on the beat; ones who live locally and people know and call by their first names.
And yet we the terminally online mean word police.
Instead of implementing the former and aggressively doing the latter, they go, 'bUt iT's NoT frOm thE SaME PoT oF MonEY!' Get fucked. At the end of the day it is.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Guy fox or something British.