I still feel the white walkers aren't all bad/have some agenda other than kill all humans. GRRM has stated time and again his distaste for generic doomsday villains.
...But then, he also stated his distaste for fantasy making all the bad guys ugly, then turns around and makes all the worst characters in his story hideous (Frey and Ramsay in the books are grostesque unlike the show) so who knows at this point.
Question book readers: With R + L = J and all. If Jon was born in Tower of Joy, it being located in Dorne, shouldn't he be called Jon Sands instead? With bastard last names being based on region. Or does the region of where you were born not matter, but it's based on where your parents are from?
Question book readers: With R + L = J and all. If Jon was born in Tower of Joy, it being located in Dorne, shouldn't he be called Jon Sands instead? With bastard last names being based on region. Or does the region of where you were born not matter, but it's based on where your parents are from?
Question book readers: With R + L = J and all. If Jon was born in Tower of Joy, it being located in Dorne, shouldn't he be called Jon Sands instead? With bastard last names being based on region. Or does the region of where you were born not matter, but it's based on where your parents are from?
Not sure, I think it's basically where you were raised. For example, Robert's bastards are Edric Storm (cause he was raised in the stormlands), Mya Stone (cause she was for Royce in the Eerie), and I think Gendry was a Waters because he was a King's Landing baby.
It seems it's almost always based on the father/lords name and where they are from, not to do with where you are born. That's if you are at least acknowledged and known for being a bastard.
^ where was gendry ever called a waters? No one knew who or what he was.
Renly offered me a peach. At our parley. Mocked me, defied me, threatened me, and offered me a peach. I thought he was drawing a blade and went for mine own. Was that his purpose, to make me show fear? Or was it one of his pointless jests? When he spoke of how sweet the peach was, did his words have some hidden meaning? Only Renly could vex me with a piece of fruit. He brought his doom on himself with his treason, but I did love him, Davos. I know that now. I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brothers peach
so Ramsay had 5,000 good men out of nowhere (Boltons aren't a major house and this was before they had the north as allies iirc) BEFORE Stannis' battle and now he's still a force to be reckoned with?
It seems it's almost always based on the father/lords name and where they are from, not to do with where you are born. That's if you are at least acknowledged and known for being a bastard.
^ where was gendry ever called a waters? No one knew who or what he was.
so Ramsay had 5,000 good men out of nowhere (Boltons aren't a major house and this was before they had the north as allies iirc) BEFORE Stannis' battle and now he's still a force to be reckoned with?
You are entitled to like whatever you like, and others are entitled to dislike it. I'm objecting to your claim that people dislike it simply because it was "changed from the books". No. I dislike it because they are bad writing. And I know plenty of people who's never read the books that have similar complaints about the parts I mentioned, because they thought it was bad, not because they object to the changes from a book they never read.
There have been more than a few cases of bad writing in the show, no question. The show is not above criticism. D&D have made some mistakes, but they've also done great work like taking Hardhome from an "off screen" story to one of the best episodes of television we've ever seen; hitting most of the high notes from the series while avoiding scores of its ridiculous excesses.
The other thread critiques the show where it deserves it and is not full of unrepentant grouches who could never be satisfied like this one is.
No. Since he was born in dorne it maybe sands or since he was acknowledged by Lord Stark it should still be snow.
Region Surname Example
Crownlands Waters Aurane Waters
Dorne Sand Nymeria Sand
Iron Islands Pyke Wex Pyke
North Snow Jon Snow
Reach Flowers Robert Flowers
Riverlands Rivers Walder Rivers
Stormlands Storm Rolland Storm
Vale of Arryn Stone Mya Stone
Westerlands Hill Joy Hill
That's kinda how I feel about a lot of her big moments through out the entire show tbh. She's constantly getting herself in bad situations by making really stupid decisions then just kinda wills her way out of it. I find her impossible to root for.
Question book readers: With R + L = J and all. If Jon was born in Tower of Joy, it being located in Dorne, shouldn't he be called Jon Sands instead? With bastard last names being based on region. Or does the region of where you were born not matter, but it's based on where your parents are from?
+/-Jorah and Daario was alright I guess. I gotta wonder why Jorah doesn't just wrap up his greyscale arm completely. Or when he was fighting that dothraki, I'd be showing it off, hoping he'd run away scared.
Question book readers: With R + L = J and all. If Jon was born in Tower of Joy, it being located in Dorne, shouldn't he be called Jon Sands instead? With bastard last names being based on region. Or does the region of where you were born not matter, but it's based on where your parents are from?
Well, there are definitely too many characters and too many story lines for a TV show -- especially given the length of the seasons. So if it requires killing people off to phase some things out, so be it. But I suspect there will be a lot of minor characters who die in Book 6 as well.
Yea, but at this rate we're not going to get a book 6.
It's a problem with these types of books. There are so many threads and I got the feeling that GRRM is more interested in watching from the sidelines than participating with the main cast. Jon, Dany and Tyrion have pretty predictable storylines. It's the rest that's fun to watch and make it unique.
The story is pretty simple: legitimacy in a fantasy setting. You have the bastard Jon, the exiled heir Dany and the dwarf Tyrion against incest offspring Joffrey, sadist Mountain and bastard Ramsey. Then you the middle-ground: humble beginnings Littlefinger, bullied The Hound and oathbreaker Jaime. It's pretty by the numbers.
It's only predictable to a point. Us book readers had thousands of pages that lead to mild cliffhangers that should have been concluded in ADwD. Dany uniting the khalasar, Jon res and going to Winterfell, Armies attacking the sparrows and a trial by combat. It's the next step that will truly be off books, where there isn't as obvious of a direct lead up.
I'm really disappointed that the writers keep putting in scenes where people berate Theon to 'snap' him out of his trauma. It's such a lazy & insulting way to handle a story like that. Interesting that he's going to throw his support behind Yara, which is something I thought was a possible end-game plot for the books, too. I still don't understand what the deal with the Iron Islands & heirs is. Is Theon the heir because he's Balon's son, or does being the heir to the former King make it more likely the Kingsmoot will choose him as the next King?
Also, was it just me or was the Cersei/Jaime/Kevan/Olenna scene in this episode almost exactly the same as the one from E03, with a bit about the Tyrell army tacked on the end? Still, The Mace is about to swing on the Faith!
Based on the trailers
we know that Jaime will be leading the standoff with The Faith in King's Landing. I'm curious as to how that turns into him leaving for the Riverlands and what that might say about the success of their plan.
I'm really disappointed that the writers keep putting in scenes where people berate Theon to 'snap' him out of his trauma. It's such a lazy & insulting way to handle a story like that. Interesting that he's going to throw his support behind Yara, which is something I thought was a possible end-game plot for the books, too. I still don't understand what the deal with the Iron Islands & heirs is. Is Theon the heir because he's Balon's son, or does being the heir to the former King make it more likely the Kingsmoot will choose him as the next King?
Also, was it just me or was the Cersei/Jaime/Kevan/Olenna scene in this episode almost exactly the same as the one from E03, with a bit about the Tyrell army tacked on the end? Still, The Mace is about to swing on the Faith!
Based on the trailers
we know that Jaime will be leading the standoff with The Faith in King's Landing. I'm curious as to how that turns into him leaving for the Riverlands and what that might say about the success of their plan.
I'm really disappointed that the writers keep putting in scenes where people berate Theon to 'snap' him out of his trauma. It's such a lazy & insulting way to handle a story like that. Interesting that he's going to throw his support behind Yara, which is something I thought was a possible end-game plot for the books, too. I still don't understand what the deal with the Iron Islands & heirs is. Is Theon the heir because he's Balon's son, or does being the heir to the former King make it more likely the Kingsmoot will choose him as the next King?
This is the first Kingsmoot in thousands of years if I recall correctly. Normally it is the heir who becomes king. I think it was Damphair who said there had to be a Kingsmoot.
Only in AFFC, everyone presumes he's dead. Damphair doesn't want Euron or Asha to be king/queen, so he pushes for a kingsmoot, IIRC.
In the show, it's unclear why there's a kingsmoot when Theon is alive. I guess it's just because he's fubar, but they really should have a scene explaining that imo.
Only in AFFC, everyone presumes he's dead. Damphair doesn't want Euron or Asha to be king/queen, so he pushes for a kingsmoot, IIRC.
In the show, it's unclear why there's a kingsmoot when Theon is alive. I guess it's just because he's fubar, but they really should have a scene explaining that imo.
Yara must have told everyone Theon was dead. Thats why she's pissed he came back, not that she got chased by a few dogs. The Ironborn must really hate Yara that they'd call a Kingsmoot even before knowing about Theon and Eurons return. lol
edit: Kings Landing has by far the best actors in the show. But I just cant stand a lot of what they did with the plot there.
Only in AFFC, everyone presumes he's dead. Damphair doesn't want Euron or Asha to be king/queen, so he pushes for a kingsmoot, IIRC.
In the show, it's unclear why there's a kingsmoot when Theon is alive. I guess it's just because he's fubar, but they really should have a scene explaining that imo.
Only in AFFC, everyone presumes he's dead. Damphair doesn't want Euron or Asha to be king/queen, so he pushes for a kingsmoot, IIRC.
In the show, it's unclear why there's a kingsmoot when Theon is alive. I guess it's just because he's fubar, but they really should have a scene explaining that imo.
