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[Cockles & Whelks]

Sophie Moss death: MP says strangling sentence too lenient

Campaigners say the sentence given to Sophie Moss's killer sends a "dreadful message".

www.bbc.co.uk

Man's girlfriend liked to be strangled during sex. Man strangles her. Obviously too much and she died.

Don't know how to feel about this one. He's being lynched for something she consented to. And from personal experience there are a lot of Women who like the whole rough, strangle fantasy, usually while you talk dirty. Fucked by Daddy themes come up a lot.



And move to Off Topic Mods. My bad.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

I'd try it but Sony forces me to pay for Plus to play multiplayer.

 

[mxbison]

I mean how fucking stupid do you have to be to accidentally strangle someone to death?

That's like doing a slap bet with a buddy and beating him to death lol.

 

[Star-Lord]

This topic is a minefield about consent. We don’t know what she did and didn’t agree to.

 

[Ozriel]

I mean how fucking stupid do you have to be to accidentally strangle someone to death?

That's like doing a slap bet with a buddy and beating him to death lol.

article says he’d drunk 24 bottles of beer in 10 hours.

 

[PC Gamer]

When can I play this on my PC?

 

[kanjobazooie]

And from personal experience there are a lot of Women who like the whole rough, strangle fantasy, usually while you talk dirty. Fucked by Daddy themes come up a lot.

We really don't wanna hear about your fetish. Join a bdsm facebook group or something.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Alcohol and rough sex what could possibly go wrong.

Also where is the proof that his girlfriend consented to being choked? Throw the book at the disgusting malignant cunt. Whether you're the giver or the recipient get some therapy Jesus Christ.

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

Alcohol and rough sex what could possibly go wrong.

Perhaps he didn't like doing it, so felt the need to get tanked up first.

From reading the story, he was sounded shellshocked. Went straight to Police.

But now anyone reading what happens when you go straight to Police is more likely to go down this route:

'Naive and trusting' Grace Millane gave list of fetishes to man on BDSM dating site, court hears

The British backpacker, who died during a trip to New Zealand, was "naive and trusting", according to a BDSM contact.

news.sky.com

 

[Jeeves]

I'd call it involuntary manslaughter or something, I guess.

But man, all you have to do is just loosen your grip after the first couple of seconds. I imagine for most who are into this the enjoyment comes from more of a psychological place than a physical one anyway.

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

I'd call it involuntary manslaughter or something, I guess.

But man, all you have to do is just loosen your grip after the first couple of seconds. I imagine for most who are into this the enjoyment comes from more of a psychological place than a physical one anyway.

I think this formed the whole plot of Black Rain, the awful Mike Douglas / Ridley Scott movie in the 80's I think. The model who likes to be strangled and choked out. Not my thing at all, life is painful enough without more pain.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Perhaps he didn't like doing it, so felt the need to get tanked up first.

From reading the story, he was sounded shellshocked. Went straight to Police.

But now anyone reading what happens when you go straight to Police is more likely to go down this route:

'Naive and trusting' Grace Millane gave list of fetishes to man on BDSM dating site, court hears

The British backpacker, who died during a trip to New Zealand, was "naive and trusting", according to a BDSM contact.

news.sky.com

Yeah if I needed alcohol to partake in a sexual act I'd not partake. People that are in to breath play, asphyxiation are fucked in the head!

 

[Star-Lord]

People that are in to breath play, asphyxiation are fucked in the head!

Who are we to judge others for their kinks and fetishises? Everyone is entitled to their own vices, it’s part of being human. As long as it’s between two consenting adults, who are we to judge?

 

[Putonahappyface]

Who are we to judge others for their kinks and fetishises? Everyone is entitled to their own vices, it’s part of being human. As long as it’s between two consenting adults, who are we to judge?

When it can potentially lead to death I'll judge them.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Who are we to judge others for their kinks and fetishises? Everyone is entitled to their own vices, it’s part of being human. As long as it’s between two consenting adults, who are we to judge?

 

[Star-Lord]

When it can potentially lead to death I'll judge them.

So two incidents in the space of three years is enough to condemn all people who partake in BDSM? Grow up. I’m not saying this wasn’t a tragedy, because it was, but it’s a case of one guy taking it too far. If people follow the rules and stick to a safe word, all is fine.

I don’t partake in sex at all, but even I’ll accept that people have their secrets in the bedroom. But you do you and go back to lying in bed like a slab of concrete.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Agree to disagree or just acknowledge I disagree and that won't be altered.

 

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Honestly, guys just need to be smarter and not get drawn into this kind of "play"

Especially these days, with how easy it is for a woman to make allegations, you're just putting yourself in a ridiculously precarious position if you even just try it. Sure, it's a popular fetish with a lot of women but it's one that carries far too many risks and can easily go too far (especially if drink/drugs are involved) or lead to allegations that a guy would struggle to disprove.

 

[DeepEnigma]

article says he’d drunk 24 bottles of beer in 10 hours.

Lightweight.

 

[farmerboy]

She would have struggled profusely when she realised she was in trouble.

The man should have done more time.

 

[SidViscous]

The full story is a bit weirder, they were not in a relationship. He was sneaking off at 3am from his wife and kids to "visit" her, and she had a long-term boyfriend she was dating. Infact, they made her long term partner testify in the case and the poor sod had to collaborate that yes, she liked to be chocked during sex, which is ultimately why they believed the defences story.

Imagine being dragged to court to tell them that yes your partner was probably having kinky sex with some rando, poor dude.

 

[nush]

The full story is a bit weirder, they were not in a relationship. He was sneaking off at 3am from his wife and kids to "visit" her, and she had a long-term boyfriend she was dating. Infact, they made her long term partner testify in the case and the poor sod had to collaborate that yes, she liked to be chocked during sex, which is ultimately why they believed the defences story.

Imagine being dragged to court to tell them that yes your partner was probably having kinky sex with some rando, poor dude.

He might be poor dude but at least he didn't fuck the guy over as revenge by lying that she didn't like choking.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Doing something consensual, that you know to be incredibly dangerous, still carries some responsibility.

Manslaughter seems about right.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Doing something consensual, that you know to be incredibly dangerous, still carries some responsibility.

Manslaughter seems about right.

This.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Manslaughter seems about right.

If there were chickpeas involved, he should be charged with hummuside.

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

If there were chickpeas involved, he should be charged with hummuside.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Also slightly off topic, but I feel especially horrible for the woman's family. Not only did they lose a loved one and then their killer got a light sentence, but that loved one's sexual fetish has been laid bare for the whole world to see and judge. You have people all over the world throwing their two cents in on their death and their sexual preferences. Your loved one will be remembered as the woman who died because she liked getting choked during sex. Not the sister, daughter, aunt, cousin etc etc that she was. Then on top of that every time that you think of them you will be reminded of that fact so you cannot even mourn them properly without that stigma being attached.



Everyone has their kinks, their preferences, and their shames. That is a universal truth, but not everyone has them laid out for all the world to see like this. Especially at a time where they cannot even defend themselves and it is left to the family to do so. That is just a special kind of heartbreaking. I cannot imagine what her family is feeling because of this.

 

[Star-Lord]

Also slightly off topic, but I feel especially horrible for the woman's family. Not only did they lose a loved one and then their killer got a light sentence, but that loved one's sexual fetish has been laid bare for the whole world to see and judge. You have people all over the world throwing their two cents in on their death and their sexual preferences. Your loved one will be remembered as the woman who died because she liked getting choked during sex. Not the sister, daughter, aunt, cousin etc etc that she was. Then on top of that every time that you think of them you will be reminded of that fact so you cannot even mourn them properly without that stigma being attached.

Everyone has their kinks, their preferences, and their shames. That is a universal truth, but not everyone has them laid out for all the world to see like this. Especially at a time where they cannot even defend themselves and it is left to the family to do so. That is just a special kind of heartbreaking. I cannot imagine what her family is feeling because of this.

Couldn’t put it better myself.

/thread

 

[TheDreadBaron]

As someone who has choked a partner during sex, i feel like it would be pretty difficult to accidentally choke them to death. Now, accidentally crush the windpipe and then they choke? I think that’s a possibility. But keep choking them until they’re dead accidentally!? I don’t know about that one.

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

Also slightly off topic, but I feel especially horrible for the woman's family. Not only did they lose a loved one and then their killer got a light sentence, but that loved one's sexual fetish has been laid bare for the whole world to see and judge. You have people all over the world throwing their two cents in on their death and their sexual preferences. Your loved one will be remembered as the woman who died because she liked getting choked during sex. Not the sister, daughter, aunt, cousin etc etc that she was. Then on top of that every time that you think of them you will be reminded of that fact so you cannot even mourn them properly without that stigma being attached.



Everyone has their kinks, their preferences, and their shames. That is a universal truth, but not everyone has them laid out for all the world to see like this. Especially at a time where they cannot even defend themselves and it is left to the family to do so. That is just a special kind of heartbreaking. I cannot imagine what her family is feeling because of this.

Worst I've ever felt was Stuart Lubbock. The guy who was raped so badly at Michael Barrymore's sex party...well....while Barrymore gets welcomed back into the fold on Celebrity Big Brother.

Barrymore: Body In The Pool: Stuart Lubbock's injury pics 'too horrific to air'

Lubbock suffered internal, anal injuries conducive to rape before his death in Barrymore's home on 31 March 2001.

www.google.com

 

[Burning Blade]

I think this formed the whole plot of Black Rain, the awful Mike Douglas / Ridley Scott movie in the 80's I think. The model who likes to be strangled and choked out. Not my thing at all, life is painful enough without more pain.

Are you sure it wasn’t Rising Sun with Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Worst I've ever felt was Stuart Lubbock. The guy who was raped so badly at Michael Barrymore's sex party...well....while Barrymore gets welcomed back into the fold on Celebrity Big Brother.

Barrymore: Body In The Pool: Stuart Lubbock's injury pics 'too horrific to air'

Lubbock suffered internal, anal injuries conducive to rape before his death in Barrymore's home on 31 March 2001.

www.google.com

What in the actual fucking hell?

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

Are you sure it wasn’t Rising Sun with Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery?

It could be. Another one of those studio copy eras. An Abyss for a Deep Star Six.

 

[strange headache]

Then on top of that every time that you think of them you will be reminded of that fact so you cannot even mourn them properly without that stigma being attached.

If you can't mourn your loved one because you're too worried with what other people might be thinking, you're a special kind of asshole.

 

[lifa-cobex]

As someone who has choked a partner during sex, i feel like it would be pretty difficult to accidentally choke them to death. Now, accidentally crush the windpipe and then they choke? I think that’s a possibility. But keep choking them until they’re dead accidentally!? I don’t know about that one.

This.
I've been with someone who was into the chocking thing.
You don't go full on for the wind pipe. You kinda strangle the sides of the neck. Their is a nak to it.


Either she was into some real extreme shit, he's a fucking moron or something is sus.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Maybe I'm a boring fuck, but I've never had interest in roughhouse sex. And neither has any woman I've been with.

You hear about kicking and screaming sex and S&M shit all the time on the net. Where the fuck is it in real life?.... (not that I care for it).

 

[Nobody_Important]

Edit: Nevermind. Not worth it.

 

[6502]

If I injure someone because I was driving carelessly- even if they consented to be my passenger - I am liable.

The location and level of horniness does not factor into it. This is no different.

You are not allowed to kill people even if they really fucking deserve it nor if they ask for it. Just cuz you both orgasm it doesn't change the law.

 

[YCoCg]

Maybe I'm a boring fuck, but I've never had interest in roughhouse sex. And neither has any woman I've been with.

You hear about kicking and screaming sex and S&M shit all the time on the net. Where the fuck is it in real life?.... (not that I care for it).

Certainly living up to your Beige name

 

[Outlier]

He killed her. Doubt she consented to death. Throw him away.

The more porn I've watched, the more disgusted I've become to the dark/nasty desires more people seem to be developing. Part of the reason I don't look for sex with randos, anymore. I'm afraid a simple bj won't satisfy them.

 

[SidViscous]

Maybe I'm a boring fuck, but I've never had interest in roughhouse sex. And neither has any woman I've been with.

You hear about kicking and screaming sex and S&M shit all the time on the net. Where the fuck is it in real life?.... (not that I care for it).

How do we get this guys tag changed from Member to Missionary Position?

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh, do come the fuck on… he murdered her. The difference between the way someone acts during rough or bdsm sex and the way they act when they’re trying to kill is vast.

Do you think it’s easy to strangle someone to death?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

She liked to be choked and he was high as a kite.

What a situation.

Personally, I think it’s manslaughter.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I mean how fucking stupid do you have to be to accidentally strangle someone to death?

This right here.

I know the playful “firm grasp around the throat” and “actual asphyxiation” kink is a fine line to tread, but how dumb/intoxicated do you need to be to see that they’re literally dying in your hands?

Surely this goes beyond “I got a bit carried away”, how did you not see that you were killing this person?

 

[IntentionalPun]

This right here.

I know the playful “firm grasp around the throat” and “actual asphyxiation” kink is a fine line to tread, but how dumb/intoxicated do you need to be to see that they’re literally dying in your hands?

Surely this goes beyond “I got a bit carried away”, how did you not see that you were killing this person?

Well for some people the kink involves nearly or actually passing out.

It’s a really dumb kink to take too far.

Pour one out for all the dudes who died jerking off that way.

 

[Sosokrates]

Doesn't it take a good minite to kill somone by strangulation?

I remember seeing a gracie breakdown where this kid killed another kid with a chokehold and the gracies were explaining that unconsciousness occurs after about 20seconds and then death after a few minutes.

 

[SidViscous]

Doesn't it take a good minite to kill somone by strangulation?

I remember seeing a gracie breakdown where this kid killed another kid with a chokehold and the gracies were explaining that unconsciousness occurs after about 20seconds and then death after a few minutes.

Yes, you'll see them go unconscious, at which point if you stop applying pressure they'll come back around without any long term side effect, but judging from the UFC you need to stop within seconds, definitely not minutes.

 

[Soodanim]

I blame 50 Shades, the BDSM fan fiction written by someone who doesn’t know BDSM but inspired a generation of people to get choked without knowing how it should be done

 

[Tschumi]

You kill someone, there's a consequence.

"She was asking for it" is chilling and makes me feel like some of the shoulders I'm rubbing with here belong to pretty grim specimens

 

[Noboru Wataya]

most the girls ive hooked up with LOVE having me grip their throat. its a power fantasy dynamic, you aren’t meant to actually choke them out Until they go limp. It’s just a firm grip, not a tight one. This guy fucked up, sentence is too lenient even if it was an accident.