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Variety: "Kingdom of Heaven" labeled "Bin Laden's version of history" by historian

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ManaByte

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http://www.variety.com/VR1117922320.html

Bound for 'Heaven'?
Pic has been accused of short-shrifting real history

By ALI JAAFAR

Given the Islam-Christianity conflict that's central to Ridley Scott's Crusades epic "Kingdom of Heaven," the film's release across the Mideast was nonetheless generating huge interest -- and nervous speculation.

Pic opened on 21 screens in the United Arab Emirates, nine in Lebanon, six in Kuwait, three in both Qatar and Jordan and on single screens in Bahrain, Oman and Syria.

"We're expecting admissions of over 100,000 in both Lebanon and the U.A.E.," says Hiyam Itani of Circuit Empire, which is handling the pic for Fox in the Mideast. "People are really interested in it. They can relate to the story and the religious aspects. After all, it happened here."

But the film has also been dogged in recent months by accusations that it short-shrifts real history. Jonathon Riley-Smith, one of Britain's leading authorities on the Crusades, labeled it "Osama Bin Laden's version of history" and said, "It will fuel the Islamic fundamentalists." Islamic professor Khaled Abu Fadl of the U. of California accused the film of "teaching people to hate Muslims."

But so far the pic has avoided such labels across the region, and interest has been raised even further thanks to its positive depiction of Saladin, played by Syrian actor Ghassan Massoud.

It's the first time a Syrian actor has starred in a blockbuster, and Massoud will attend the Syrian preem.

"The press are really celebrating his performance," says Itani.

If you aren't aware of the history of "Kingdom of Heaven", its slanted version of the Crusades comes out of the complaints about "Black Hawk Down" by Muslim groups. Scott made the movie as a apology to them, basically which is why it has a very biased view of the Crusades.
 
When the religious fanatics and historians from both sides depict something as being unfair to their religion, I think that's a positive sign. I saw the movie yesterday, and it was fine. I honestly can't think of one area where religion was faulted. The fanatics in the movie were guided by their character, not their religion. I'm fine with people faulting the movie for it's historical inaccuracies (if there were any), but whiney christians and muslims alike need to shut the everyliving fuck up.
 

Dan

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From what I hear, the biggest complaints are just how much the movie seems to justify both sides of the conflict (thereby taking no side) and ignoring the most horrific stuff and just neutering the whole thing, not to mention the crap about some loser blacksmith suddenly rising to the top as an amazing military strategist.
 

Boogie

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How the islamic professor could think the movie teaches people to hate muslims is quite beyond me. He must have seen a different movie from the one I did.

The movie seemed to go to extreme lengths to be neutral to both sides, probably at the expense of historical accuracy. It certainly seemed to be overly harsh to the Templars, but I'm not very well versed on the Crusades.
 
re: BHD -- I think people had issue with wave after wave of the troops one dimensional, nigh on faceless foes.

re: this film. There were many crusades... is the film just about the Saladin era? Richard the Lion Heart etc?

mikeworks probably said it best. Films shouldn't necessarily be made on the leash of diplomacy. I'll be checking this one out myself soon. I'll be basing any enthusiast/critical response not on whether a certain culture/religion's history comes up a little rosier, but purely on entertainment value.

The world needs to lighten up. How can everyone be bothered fucking moaning so much?
 

hXc_thugg

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radioheadrule83 said:
re: this film. There were many crusades... is the film just about the Saladin era? Richard the Lion Heart etc?

Saladin stuff. Richard the Lionheart makes an appearence at the end as his crusade is about to start.
 

pnjtony

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Not doing too well state-side....foreign market however....

Domestic: $20,000,000 26.3%
Overseas: $56,000,000 73.7%
 

Che

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Now this is just pure bullshit. The film praised Muslims in many occassions about how civilized they were unlike the crusaders (how noble Saladin was, the fact that christians slaughtered everyone when they took jerusalim - muslims didn't) and many times made fun of the way some christians acted (the stupid priests, the fanatics, the new King etc etc). Actually I was on muslims side during the whole movie -not surprisingly- since the crusaders were the invaders and they had many hateful fanatics amongst them.
 

Pimpwerx

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Hmm, this movie's out already? Why'd I think it was coming out later? There were like a million ads for it. :? PEACE.
 
If anything, the film was definitely pro-Muslim. For reference, I'm agnostic, so I don't lean towards one side or another. I can see how Christians would be upset, but once again, it was not Christianity that was portrayed in a low light in the movie- it was a few Christians. The jackass priest at the beginning, the foolish and pompadorian king elect, his right hand man (red bearded guy), and the cowardly priest near the end of the film. They were the only "bad" guys in the film from a moviegoer's point of view (though the latter priest was comic relief, not bad). The first priest was an asshole
and got killed in a fit of rage/passion
, the king elect was a pompous, power grabbing, greedy asshole, and his war seeking friend was just that, with a side of maniacal repore.

The only slant against Christianity that these people created was when they were using it to justify going to war ("it's what god wants"), or at least to convince the other troops/knights to rally around the idea. And honestly, the very same thing happens in this day and age. Could you imagine if John Kerry was Jewish, or even worse, like me? The election wouldn't have been close.

To be honest, it could be seen that Scott sheepishly avoided key moments or mannerisms in order to keep both religous sides at bay when it comes to complaints. And I'd almost have beef with that if I didn't have to witness mindless, blind, complete idiots from both sides throw their teddy bear across the room, their lower lip protruding in an unravelling fashion as they create one of the saddest fucking temper tantrums I've been witness to.

Fucking babies.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
re: BHD -- I think people had issue with wave after wave of the troops one dimensional, nigh on faceless foes.

It was told from an American point of view so I'm not sure what they expected. It certainly wasn't anti-islamic.
 
If you aren't aware of the history of "Kingdom of Heaven", its slanted version of the Crusades comes out of the complaints about "Black Hawk Down" by Muslim groups. Scott made the movie as a apology to them, basically which is why it has a very biased view of the Crusades.

You keep going on about this but does it matter? When it comes down to it is this movie supposed to be a history lesson or a statement about the negative effects of religious fanaticism and how religions could co-exist peacefully without it.

It's a movie made by westerners that'll be seen mostly by westerners that focuses on a Christian (or at least white) character so why shouldn't most of the fanaticism we see be on the Christian side?

I loved the movie for what it was trying to achieve. I liked it for what it was.


I'd like to see proof that this is true:

Scott made the movie as a apology to them

You can argue that he made the movie like it is as an apology to them but he made the movie just to appease them? I cry bullshit.
 
People who thought Black Hawk Down was anti-semetic are morons.

edit: Okay, maybe not morons, how about over sensitive little bitches.
 
cubicle47b said:
People who thought Black Hawk Down was anti-semetic are morons.

edit: Okay, maybe not morons, how about over sensitive little bitches.



Same as the ppl who think Kingdom of heaven is Anti or PRO ANYTHING!
 

hXc_thugg

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cubicle47b said:
People who thought Black Hawk Down was anti-semetic are morons.

edit: Okay, maybe not morons, how about over sensitive little bitches.

There were no Jews in Black Hawk Down.
 

Loki

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cubicle47b said:
Er, yeah, got my religions mixed up for a second. Anti-Islamic.

You actually didn't have to apologize-- Jews aren't the only semitic people, you know. ;) :p
 
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