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Vatican approved article provides scathing rebuke of Bannon and Ideology

antonz

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...evangelicals-extremism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
An explosive article written by two close associates of Pope Francis has accused Steve Bannon, the chief White House strategist, of espousing an “apocalyptic geopolitics” whose roots are “not too far apart” from that of Islamist extremism.

The article in La Civiltà Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican before publication, lays out a scathing critique of “evangelical fundamentalism” in the US, arguing that, on issues ranging from climate change to “migrants and Muslims”, proponents of the ideology have adopted a twisted reading of scripture and the Old Testament that promotes conflict and war above all else.
The article refers to the controversial evangelical theologist John Rushdoony as the father of today’s American Christian fundamentalism, and calls Bannon an exponent of this philosophy.

“Rushdoony’s doctrine maintains a theocratic necessity: submit the state to the Bible with a logic that is no different from the one that inspires Islamic fundamentalism. At heart, the narrative of terror shapes the worldviews of jihadists and the new crusaders and is imbibed from wells that are not too far apart,” the authors state. “We must not forget that the theopolitics spread by Isis is based on the same cult of an apocalypse that needs to be brought about as soon as possible.”

It also criticizes conservative American Catholics who have aligned themselves with fundamentalist Protestants on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion, saying that what really united the groups was a “nostalgic dream of a theocratic type of state”.

Its an interesting read. Francis early in his Pontificate attacked Us Catholics pretty heavy on the fact they have allowed themselves to be sucked into a one track mindset poltically.
 

cameron

Member
Trump has never convincingly spoken of having religious faith, but won the overwhelming support of white evangelical Christians in the 2016 election.

Vatican experts said the article would have had the explicit backing of the church and Pope Francis. Its authors, Antonio Spadaro, the editor-in-chief of the publication, and Marcelo Figueroa, the editor-in-chief of the Argentinian edition of the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, are known as confidantes of theArgentinian pope.

Voice of the Pope.

Direct link to the article, and some excerpts, La Civiltà Cattolica: Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism in the USA: A surprising ecumenism
The social-religious groups inspired by authors such as Stewart consider the United States to be a nation blessed by God. And they do not hesitate to base the economic growth of the country on a literal adherence to the Bible. Over more recent years this current of thought has been fed by the stigmatization of enemies who are often ”demonized."

The panorama of threats to their understanding of the American way of life have included modernist spirits, the black civil rights movement, the hippy movement, communism, feminist movements and so on. And now in our day there are the migrants and the Muslims. To maintain conflict levels, their biblical exegeses have evolved toward a decontextualized reading of the Old Testament texts about the conquering and defense of the ”promised land," rather than be guided by the incisive look, full of love, of Jesus in the Gospels.


Within this narrative, whatever pushes toward conflict is not off limits. It does not take into account the bond between capital and profits and arms sales. Quite the opposite, often war itself is assimilated to the heroic conquests of the ”Lord of Hosts" of Gideon and David. In this Manichaean vision, belligerence can acquire a theological justification and there are pastors who seek a biblical foundation for it, using the scriptural texts out of context.
Another interesting aspect is the relationship with creation of these religious groups that are composed mainly of whites from the deep American South. There is a sort of ”anesthetic" with regard to ecological disasters and problems generated by climate change. They profess ”dominionism" and consider ecologists as people who are against the Christian faith. They place their own roots in a literalist understanding of the creation narratives of the book of Genesis that put humanity in a position of ”dominion" over creation, while creation remains subject to human will in biblical submission.

In this theological vision, natural disasters, dramatic climate change and the global ecological crisis are not only not perceived as an alarm that should lead them to reconsider their dogmas, but they are seen as the complete opposite: signs that confirm their non-allegorical understanding of the final figures of the Book of Revelation and their apocalyptic hope in a ”new heaven and a new earth."

Theirs is a prophetic formula: fight the threats to American Christian values and prepare for the imminent justice of an Armageddon, a final showdown between Good and Evil, between God and Satan. In this sense, every process (be it of peace, dialogue, etc.) collapses before the needs of the end, the final battle against the enemy. And the community of believers (faith) becomes a community of combatants (fight). Such a unidirectional reading of the biblical texts can anesthetize consciences or actively support the most atrocious and dramatic portrayals of a world that is living beyond the frontiers of its own ”promised land."
 

oti

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The article in La Civiltà Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican before publication, lays out a scathing critique of “evangelical fundamentalism” in the US

That's one way to describe the Republican Party.
 

duckroll

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I don't recall the Church being this specifically political in modern history. There must be some serious concerns about the direction things are headed for stuff like this to pop up.
 

CrisKre

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This is commendable. This Pope, say what you may about religion as a whole, strikes me as very responsible of his position of influence.

Seems that this should be common amongst leaders, but in actuality it's day from the norm.

Respect.
 
I don't recall the Church being this specifically political in modern history. There must be some serious concerns about the direction things are headed for stuff like this to pop up.

I think it's partially down to the fact that it's another strain of Christianity that's the driving force. One can cynically observe it as a matter of basic rivalry, trying to showcase how/why Catholicism is 'better' than its contemporaries by putting it in the position of moral authority, and thus mitigate the turn away from religion in general. One can also posit that the Catholic Church feels the need to distinguish and defend itself from association with 'Christians' who are fundamentally opposed to its modern identity - a global, multi-cultural institution.

And then yeah, they may simply see it as a honest to god threat against the world, and being a specifically Christian threat, the need to take responsibility for and stand up against it, being the largest Christian denomination on the planet.
 

Mario007

Member
I don't recall the Church being this specifically political in modern history. There must be some serious concerns about the direction things are headed for stuff like this to pop up.
To be fair it screws over the views on Christians and Catholics around the world. Going by GAF alone we see people equalling Catholicism with the same type of Protestant conservatism that is happening in the US where they really do not sure a lot in common at all. I'd think the fear in the Vatican is that people start to believe that all Christians are the same as whatever ideology the hardline republicans are spouting nowadays the same way as many Muslims are equated with fundamentalism.
 
This is why I never like the linear 2D left-right political spectrum. Now I don't know where shit stand.

The Catholic Church is significantly significantly older than the Left / Right labels let alone the modern Left / Right so it's not surprising it doesn't map cleanly.

You're right about the 2D labels being misleading, since there's a lot of things that don't map cleanly or change over time.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
I don't recall the Church being this specifically political in modern history. There must be some serious concerns about the direction things are headed for stuff like this to pop up.
Yeah like Donald Trump and American Christian right. Extreme concerns.
 

Zolo

Member
The current pope seems to have tried to focus the church on being more inclusive and basically against what Trump stands for.
 

Shauni

Member
It's focused on Steve Bannon, but it really just feels like a critique on Evangelical Christianity in general
 

Mario007

Member
I think it's partially down to the fact that it's another strain of Christianity that's the driving force. One can cynically observe it as a matter of basic rivalry, trying to showcase how/why Catholicism is 'better' than its contemporaries by putting it in the position of moral authority, and thus mitigate the turn away from religion in general. One can also posit that the Catholic Church feels the need to distinguish and defend itself from association with 'Christians' who are fundamentally opposed to its modern identity - a global, multi-cultural institution.

And then yeah, they may simply see it as a honest to god threat against the world, and being a specifically Christian threat, the need to take responsibility for and stand up against it, being the largest Christian denomination on the planet.
Yeah, plus looking at it through Catholic eyes, Christian fundamentalist are using the Word of God and even God himself for purposese that can be clearly labeled as evil and are spreading this "gospel" and thus urging other people to sin. If there's one thing the Church should speak against it's this.
 

Bedlam

Member
Yep. Long been thinking this and nice to see this coming from the respective authority.

From a European perspective, I found the cultist, extremist and frankly perverted forms of Christian faith practiced in large parts of the US just frightening for years now.

These are not Christians. It's more like a brain-washed Neo-Nazi cult that instrumentalized Christian faith.

It's focused on Steve Bannon, but it really just feels like a critique on Evangelical Christianity in general
No. This is concerning the US in particular.
 

erlim

yes, that talented of a member
Western-HistoryGAF is Pope Franky the best pope? (I know that's not saying much)
 

Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
I don't recall the Church being this specifically political in modern history. There must be some serious concerns about the direction things are headed for stuff like this to pop up.

How 'recent' are we talking about? John Paul II was active against communism.
 

Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
This is why I never like the linear 2D left-right political spectrum. Now I don't know where shit stand.

(Many brands of) Catholicism has been more or less consistent in being progressive in many issues, but yes, they are conservative when comes to sexual education, gay rights, women rights and other 'family' values.

Of course, there's a long history of atrocities committed/supported by the church itself, but still, you shouldn't compare it to USA's Evangelicals. Just look at the conquests of North and South America. While evangelicals tried (and were very successful) in keep themselves 'pure' and even produced new denominations that outright called people evil based on the color of their skin (Mormons), the official stance of the catholic church during the conquest was that they were on a quest evangelize the new world. Often by torture, murder and rape, yes, but if Evangelicals would have conquered Mesoamerica and the Incas instead of catholics you wouldn't have the mestizo population that makes the majority of of Latin America
 
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