Visiting friend's newborn & asked to get shots (Mods: Get your whooping cough shot)

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ElectricBlanketFire said:
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Oh lighten up kid. This place is so dry since trumps misery cloud descended on the world.

Creating a new life, birthing it, raising it, and releasing it into the wild requires a measure of crazy. That's not an insult, if anything it's a compliment. It's an intense experience and a ridiculously hard job that requires a measure of insanity. Embrace it.
 
Iorv3th said:
It is odd depending on where you live. I have never heard of adults getting those shots before seeing a newborn.
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It's called cocooning, a strategy to help newborns avoid pertussis. They cannot receive a vaccine for this until 2 months and even then it's an incomplete vaccine. Additionally, adults can carry the bacteria without symptoms. It's just prevention. You probably have already had the vaccine as a child, but the dosage was weakened during the 90s and the disease has staged a comeback. You need a booster to help prevent the disease when you are around immuno-suppressed people or infants.
 
Interesting to see the different approaches between different countries

Whooping cough is a non-issue in the UK (and possibly most of Europe?) because every child is vaccinated as a child (I think - we get a lot of jabs at school), so the issue does not arise.

As for flu, well I guess there is no permanent vaccine against that but I discovered that there are 4,000 deaths from flu every year in the UK out of 65 million people. I would guess that most of those would be old people too. Doesn't really seem like a big risk.
 
I have held tons of my friends and families babies like the day they were born or like within 3 days, and they're all alive and fine. Never gotten a flu shot in my life. Sometimes people go way overboard being overprotected. If I had friends that told me I had to get shots before seeing their new born is be line, Naw I'm good, don't want to touch that baby made of glass you have.
 
OG Shaka Zulu said:
I've never seen nor made a request like this. As weird as it is, go along with it. They're just extra cautious and protective people.
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Doing what scientists and doctors say is not weird, it's normal.

The weird ones are the people who think they know better than scientists and doctors.

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I disagree with CDC policy on vaccines. Also, I have a child of my own so I know better." SMH. You're an anti-vaxxer, maybe less of one than some, but you are one.
 
I don't know guys... getting a shot that takes 15 minutes of time and is likely of zero cost to me, or possibly be the direct cause of the sudden death of my friend's newborn child? I mean, really the decision is almost impossible to make. Oh, what's that? The incident rates of the diseases TDAP protects from are surging in the US cause other people are too stupid to get vaccines for themselves and kids? I don't know, still... ugh 15 minutes of my time! But gee, a baby dying a painful death in front of their parents... shit that might bum them out for more than 15 minutes though.

But on the other hand, fuck those overprotective parents, obsessing over the aliveness of their baby. I'm alive and none of my parent's friends had to get vaccinated and they licked my face until I was two years old! They are being really unreasonable and asking me to spend 15 minutes of my time, to follow CDC and pediatric recommendations that have changed recently due to the nature of increased incidents of these preventable diseases, so I don't maybe accidentally kill their baby. Ugh. It is just so hard to decide. I think I will just settle on washing my hands because I know what's best for a baby that isn't mine.


This fucking thread.
 
My son was born three months early. I made damn sure everyone had their shots and were clean enough to work on microchips before they came and seen him in the hospital... And he was in an incubator. Never underestimate the protective nature of new parents lol.
 
Apathy said:
I have held tons of my friends and families babies like the day they were born or like within 3 days, and they're all alive and fine. Never gotten a flu shot in my life. Sometimes people go way overboard being overprotected. If I had friends that told me I had to get shots before seeing their new born is be line, Naw I'm good, don't want to touch that baby made of glass you have.
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I suppose your username is apt. It's not about causing damage every time, it's about preventing damage. Don't regurgitate anti-science. It makes you look stupid.
 
Also in general: Get a flu shot regardless of whether you want to see a baby or not. It doesn't harm you and can only do you good. It doesn't take long and is probably free too

Apathy said:
I have held tons of my friends and families babies like the day they were born or like within 3 days, and they're all alive and fine. Never gotten a flu shot in my life. Sometimes people go way overboard being overprotected. If I had friends that told me I had to get shots before seeing their new born is be line, Naw I'm good, don't want to touch that baby made of glass you have.
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I know a guy who used to drive home drunk at least once a week for two months or so. That obviously means drunk driving is completely save and everybody who argues against it is crazy.
 
Apathy said:
I have held tons of my friends and families babies like the day they were born or like within 3 days, and they're all alive and fine. Never gotten a flu shot in my life. Sometimes people go way overboard being overprotected. If I had friends that told me I had to get shots before seeing their new born is be line, Naw I'm good, don't want to touch that baby made of glass you have.
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With attitudes like this influenza will continue to kill hundreds of thousands of people far into the future.
 
Apathy said:
I have held tons of my friends and families babies like the day they were born or like within 3 days, and they're all alive and fine. Never gotten a flu shot in my life. Sometimes people go way overboard being overprotected. If I had friends that told me I had to get shots before seeing their new born is be line, Naw I'm good, don't want to touch that baby made of glass you have.
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Ah yes, because you didn't manage to transmit these diseases, nobody will, amirite? People are really stupid on GAF today.
 
Your doctor should be making sure you are getting your TDAP shot regularly. This isn't much of a request to me. If you don't have it you should absolutely get it every 10 years.

I know people skimp on flu shots but no big deal to get one, IMO (and you should be getting them anyway, even if you are frequently fine without them. It's about more than you.).

The request is basically to be up to date on your healthcare. Seems reasonable.

edit; Seriously if you haven't got your TDAP shot or can't remember if you ever have, go to your doctor. This is routine stuff that saves lives.
 
SG-17 said:
Mother fucking anti-vaxxer nut jobs. Vaccinations should be required to claim a tax return, get a driver's license, go to school or college, vote, etc. The only exception should be medical, which is the whole point behind herd immunity.

Arrest all anti-vaxxers and force them to get vaccinated or ship them off to one of the US' unpopulated Pacific Islands.
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While at first glance this seems really over the top, the more I think about it the more I agree. People who don't vaccinate are crazy.

Seriously OP, how many times have you gotten the flu? I'm sure if you had it at least once you would start vaccinating every year.

This is coming from someone who has to get it every year for fear of hospitalization or death. Those that don't vaccinate, even if I do, still put me at risk. It should be mandatory.
 
Jazzy Geoff said:
Interesting to see the different approaches between different countries

Whooping cough is a non-issue in the UK (and possibly most of Europe?) because every child is vaccinated as a child (I think - we get a lot of jabs at school), so the issue does not arise.

As for flu, well I guess there is no permanent vaccine against that but I discovered that there are 4,000 deaths from flu every year in the UK out of 65 million people. I would guess that most of those would be old people too. Doesn't really seem like a big risk.
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Except for the outbreak of 2012 and the still elevated number of cases since then, yeah no problem bro.
 
I have a child on the way soon and everyone who will have close contact with the kid was asked to get a tdap booster. I'm actually thankful for this thread, it reminded me I need to get my ass to the pharmacy and get injected.
 
What's wrong with simply not going if you're sick? That's what everyone I know has been doing their whole lives with zero problems.

Of course getting a shot isn't that big a deal either. Depends on how much you want to visit, I guess.
 
TheSeks said:
I forget what the TDAP is, but the flu shot is a scam. I can understand why they want you to get it (because they have a newborn) but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get.
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It's not a scam. It's not as effective as other vaccines, mainly because the flu virus mutates a lot and scientists have to make an educated guess as to which strains to vaccinate against each year, but it is absolutely effective at both decreasing the chance someone will get the flu as well as decreasing the severity of the flu if you do get it after having been vaccinated. A 50% effectiveness is still a hell of a lot more effective than nothing.
 
SG-17 said:
Mother fucking anti-vaxxer nut jobs. Vaccinations should be required to claim a tax return, get a driver's license, go to school or college, vote, etc. The only exception should be medical, which is the whole point behind herd immunity.

Arrest all anti-vaxxers and force them to get vaccinated or ship them off to one of the US' unpopulated Pacific Islands.
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Have you ever thought about running for president, possibly for world leader? I like your ideas, I'd vote for you.
 
I love the people acting as though withholding their visit would be some kind of smackdown insult to the new parents for daring to ask them to be up to date on their TDAP. The simple fact is that your cancellation would probably come as a relief, since new parents tend to be so stressed and sleep deprived to begin with. I know one of the big stresses of mine during the first few months of my baby's life was the "when can we come see the baby?" calls and texts. I know that people mean well, and I was happy to have them over, but its not like your cancellation is going to make the new parents sad.
 
xenist said:
What's wrong with simply not going if you're sick? That's what everyone I know has been doing their whole lives with zero problems.

Of course getting a shot isn't that big a deal either. Depends on how much you want to visit, I guess.
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https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/symptom-free-carriers-may-be-spreading-whooping-cough/

Symptom-Free Carriers May Be Spreading Whooping Cough
Rapid increase in whooping cough may largely be a result of transmission from people who are infected with the bacterium but show no symptoms of disease, a new study suggests.
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man i feel kinda bad for never doing that kind of screening for my 3 kids. i think a day after my son came home we had a party for all my relatives and my wifes relatives and like 15 people came in and handled him and I know some of these people are unhygienic as fuck. then again my kids used to feed each other ants, worms, and dirt so...

it sounds like maybe it makes sense in the environment today of higher resistant bacteria and stuff but end of the day human beings are pretty hardy creatures. I hope the parents don't coddle the kids too much, there are a number of on going studies that suggest a little bit of dirt and exposure to the elements gives kids much, much healthier immune systems and possibly things like nut allergies and even autism could be linked to exposure to various bacteria growing up (as in, too clean is bad as gut bacteria don't develop). Yeah, I know thats not the same thing as making sure visitors aren't walking infection vector which makes sense especially for really young infants.
 
| Praxis | said:
My son was born three months early. I made damn sure everyone had their shots and were clean enough to work on microchips before they came and seen him in the hospital... And he was in an incubator. Never underestimate the protective nature of new parents lol.
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Bolded made me laugh hard.
 
skullmuffins said:
It's not a scam. It's not as effective as other vaccines, mainly because the flu virus mutates a lot and scientists have to make an educated guess as to which strains to vaccinate against each year, but it is absolutely effective at both decreasing the chance someone will get the flu as well as decreasing the severity of the flu if you do get it after having been vaccinated. A 50% effectiveness is still a hell of a lot more effective than nothing.
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And over time if enough people get the vaccine we will build up herd immunity. That's literally how vaccines work, but due to the nature of influenza it will take a long time to eradicate. But that will never happen if we continue to allow ignorant people to force their idiocy on others.
 
TheSeks said:
I forget what the TDAP is, but the flu shot is a scam. I can understand why they want you to get it (because they have a newborn) but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get.
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It's not a scam, it protects you from the current Influenza strains. Yes you can get sick from a mutated variant (that's why those shots only last for 6 months) or from a virus that has the same symptoms as influenza.

But for all risk groups it's extremely wise to get a flu shot.
 
I've never gotten a flu shot and I was supposed to get the TDAP booster before my son was born in July of 2015. But I forgot. It's probably a good idea to get your shots, but it's not likely that anyone will notice if you don't.
 
Why have the goal posts moved to flu? That is only part of it. Yeah, everyone knows flu shots aren't as effective as other vaccines. The big concern with parents is pertussis or whooping cough, which has shown major increases in incidents in the US. The vaccine for pertussis is highly effective, especially in the first two years of receiving the vaccine. Adults can get whooping cough and it doesn't even feel like a bad cold at first. But for infants, it is deadly.

For fucks sake, half of babies with pertusis get admited to a hospital, out of those under a doctors care, 1 in a 100 die. It is serious as fuck for a baby to contract this disease. Again, to address this anecdotal bullshit of, "oh I never heard of this when I was growing up! I'm fine!" It is because people actually listened to doctors instead of Facebook posts when it came to vaccinating their kids, you got the benefit of heard immunity, congratulations. You think with all the shit a new parent is going through they want to hound their friends and families to go get a shot? Of course not, but they are left with no choice due to the increased risk in the past decade.
 
TheSeks said:
I forget what the TDAP is, but the flu shot is a scam. I can understand why they want you to get it (because they have a newborn) but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get.
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FOR FUCK'S SAKE. The flu shot isn't a scam. Yes, it doesn't cover all strains. Yes, some friends of yours got the shot and then totally got the flu the next day and swears the shot gave it to him. Yes, it doesn't prevent the flu 100%.

Here's something to ponder - why does my sister in law's hospital where she works require all of their nursing employees to get the shot (gratis) every season? Do they pay for it out of the goodness of their little corporate hearts? Pretty odd thing for a corporation to do for something that's a scam....
 
StrangeADT said:
Ah yes, because you didn't manage to transmit these diseases, nobody will, amirite? People are really stupid on GAF today.
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There was a point in time where I thought of GAF as a bastion of intelligence and sensibility within an otherwise crazy internet. I've completely lost that faith sometime over the last 12 months between a mixture of absolute failures of logic in science, politics, and critical-thinking in general.

This thread is a pretty good example; we've got about a third of posts in here that are leaning on the side of anti-vax, and what's worse is that many of these posters aren't even self-aware of their stance.
 
Mango Positive said:
I've never gotten a flu shot and I was supposed to get the TDAP booster before my son was born in July of 2015. But I forgot. It's probably a good idea to get your shots, but it's not likely that anyone will notice if you don't.
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No one will notice.

Until you get someone you love (or just anyone old or immunosupressed or young or unlucky) sick with a very preventable shitty disease.


GET YOUR SHOTS PLEASE even if its just for yourself. Tetanus isn't fun.
 
I had to get one a month ago during my physical since me and my wife are expecting in June. I'm going to tell people the same who want to visit during most of the first year. Not going to be convinced to not be cautious for my child.
 
I have a 1 year old, when newborn, making sure that friends/family have their shots is very common. the doctors straight up lecture you about it and it makes sense. I'm in the USA
 
Mango Positive said:
I've never gotten a flu shot and I was supposed to get the TDAP booster before my son was born in July of 2015. But I forgot. It's probably a good idea to get your shots, but it's not likely that anyone will notice if you don't.
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The universe doesn't contain enough facepalms for me to respond to this.
 
UpperCaseN said:
I have a 1 year old, when newborn, making sure that friends/family have their shots is very common. the doctors straight up lecture you about it and it makes sense. I'm in the USA
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There is a reason we are trained to do it, because vaccines in general are the cheapest, most effective, and simplest ways to decrease mortality and morbidity in the population. It is drilled into us from the first week basically.
 
I never asked anyone to get shots before seeing our daughter and I would never even think of it. I mean if someone has been sick In the past 2 weeks we would reschedule but that's about it.

Seems very extreme to me.
 
OP I understand getting a shot for whopping cough but flu? Most people would stay away if there I'll. But you do build your immune system by getting ill . Must be very over protective parents but you should respect their wishes.

For the record I never got those shots and my 2 children are very healthy.
 
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