Calamari41
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Nah man, don't worry about it. Let your newborn "train its immune system" with pertussis. And while you're at it, get a puppy and don't give it the parvo shots. Train that little guy's system too.
Visiting friend's newborn & asked to get shots (Mods: Get your whooping cough shot)
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Nah man, don't worry about it. Let your newborn "train its immune system" with pertussis. And while you're at it, get a puppy and don't give it the parvo shots. Train that little guy's system too.
onadesertedisland
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It's not extreme, and this viewpoint is dangerous. Stop spreading anti-science.
LegendofJoe
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My workplace gives us a discount on our insurance and provides a free walk-in clinic at every office on multiple dates to make sure everyone gets the flu shot. The do it because it can both save them money AND because it's the right thing to do.
A scam...Picard facepalm.
RumblingRosco
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You do realize that you can also build your immune system by not getting ill when you get a vaccination, right? There's two scenarios here:
1) Get sick, hopefully survive, build your immune system.
2) Don't get sick, definitely survive, build your immune system.
AdventureRacing
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There are so many posters in this thread proudly displaying their ignorance and stupidity and even being aggressive about ('how dare you ask me to get a simple injection to prevent my new born from getting a deadly disease').
this is absolutely normal, father of two kids, 2.5 and 10 months old. Even a regular cold to you and I could have the baby end up in the nic-u with a spinal tap. Infants have almost no immune system, they rely on the mothers antibodies to fight colds.
also wash your hands before you touch the baby, if you end up going.
also wash your hands before you touch the baby, if you end up going.
ElectricBlanketFire
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metalslimer
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As a medical student just going through immunology.... oh my fucking god at the ignorance in this thread. Please do not attempt to "train" your immune system with a serious illness. And yes the flu is a serious illness
skullmuffins
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Yeah, that's a non-argument...unless he's advocating for building the immune system of a 3-month-old baby by giving it the flu (this is a horrible idea and the baby could die).
I am absolutely not anti-science lol you really are bad at discussions if you jump to that conclusion based on what I said.
Many of our friends and families have been having kids in the last 5 years and not once has anyone said anything about visitors needing flu shots. Maybe things are different up here in Canada.
Newborn babies have very immature immune systems as they haven't been exposed to much yet. It's like visiting anyone else who is immuno-suppressed. The flu jab is only ever a best guess- manufacturers have to predict which mix of wild strains are currently prevalent and play the odds a bit- but for the sake of £12 or whatever it costs over in the US, get the shot. It won't do you any harm and parents of newborns have enough to worry about with the lack of sleep and general shock of changing circumstances. My wife's a GP and put it in far better terms in between our general confusion, stress, shock, pain (on her part) and lack of sleep. On top of that, they've probably been given that advice by various midwives, health visitors etc too.
The odds are it probably won't make a difference, but if it does, you've put them through a lot of worry at the point in their life where they are least prepared for the extra load, for the sake of a minor inconvenience to a healthy adult. The anti-vaccine crowd seems insane over there compared to here.
In the first weeks after my daughter was born I had so much shit to learn and do that all my friends were practically begging me to say what would help. I said hold off on visiting for a bit if you aren't sure what you are vaccinated against, and preferably find out, and be prepared to chip in with chores if you are coming, as we didn't need anything else to worry about and hospitality was going to be mildly hampered for a few months while we got back into a routine. I'd do the same for my mate's families too.
The odds are it probably won't make a difference, but if it does, you've put them through a lot of worry at the point in their life where they are least prepared for the extra load, for the sake of a minor inconvenience to a healthy adult. The anti-vaccine crowd seems insane over there compared to here.
In the first weeks after my daughter was born I had so much shit to learn and do that all my friends were practically begging me to say what would help. I said hold off on visiting for a bit if you aren't sure what you are vaccinated against, and preferably find out, and be prepared to chip in with chores if you are coming, as we didn't need anything else to worry about and hospitality was going to be mildly hampered for a few months while we got back into a routine. I'd do the same for my mate's families too.
RumblingRosco
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I can't tell if you're disagreeing or agreeing with me. Can you elaborate? Sorry, not trying to be an ass, but I'm honestly not clear on what you're saying.
highrider
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Nobody thinks that.
onadesertedisland
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There is no gray area. Anti-vaccine nonsense like this is dangerous and anti-science. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/whooping-cough-pertussis-1.3317431
John Kowalski
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Don't kill the baby op, don't do it
ElectricBlanketFire
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You're arguing against science with your anecdotal evidence.
onadesertedisland
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Also TDAP is not the fucking flu shot. So stop with that derailing. It's to prevent pertussis in newborns, which can die from coughing. Watch a video with a newborn suffering from pertussis and then realize not getting the TDAP if you're going to be around a newborn is selfish, stupid, and dangerous.
skullmuffins
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Oh, I'm agreeing with you that "building your immune system" isn't an argument against vaccinating. Vaccines work by building your immune system! You're just skipping the step where you get sick.
metalslimer
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Chances are you won't have contracted the flu during this visit, but why not get the cheap shot and prevent the small chance of you giving a serious illness that potentially could kill the child? Unless you are immunocompromised, there is no reason and if that's the case you shouldn't be traveling like that to begin with.
My wife's cousin is an ER doctor and they have never asked any friends and family about shots before visiting.
I'm not saying not to get your shots or whatever but this expectation that anyone visiting your kid has to have them just seems a bit extreme. How many people interact with you in a day? Or if you go to the mall or a child's play center?
I'm not saying not to get your shots or whatever but this expectation that anyone visiting your kid has to have them just seems a bit extreme. How many people interact with you in a day? Or if you go to the mall or a child's play center?
RumblingRosco
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Gotcha! Right-on. Keep fighting the good fight against anti-vaxxers.
How is getting a vaccination "extreme" by any standards? It seems like not only good advice for your kid's safety, but also a benefit to the public at-large.
onadesertedisland
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Your anecdotes are wrong and don't matter. You spreading anti-science like this is dangerous because it may influence people to do the wrong thing. GET THE SHOT.
superdeluxe
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You are not supposed to take a newborn to a child play center
metalslimer
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Extreme? They are cheap vaccinations that are easily done even if it is only for peace of mind, and honestly you should be up to date on TDAP anyway.
cartographer
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It's absurd that being a responsible adult and getting the healthcare responsible adults should get is being considered "extreme."
RumblingRosco
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You are doing Pasteur's work. You're a good man.
That's what I got from your post, I don't understand how they concluded you were anti-vac.
cartographer
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It's not every shot, it's two damn shots that responsible adults should get anyway. One of them is every 10 years.
onadesertedisland
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Why is it extreme? Give one counter reason to not vaccinate? A single, quality reason to not have all of your vaccinations when visiting a newborn?
It's a ten minute appointment with a GP, that will save weeks of worry for a family with a baby with an immature immune system, that the OP considers a good enough friend to fly to. It's not 'a bit extreme'. It's the act of a decent friend acceding to a simple, easy request from a family that's stressed out right now. I guarantee that the mother is seeing an upcoming unvaccinated visitor as a threat plus it will help protect you in future. How on earth is it an unreasonable request, I've spent more time and money worrying about what flowers to bring or which gifts are newborn-safe (yeah that's a good one to research if you don't have kids).
ElectricBlanketFire
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Every visit? Every shot imaginable?
you cant eradicate influeanza., its one of the fastest mutating viruses around and we arent the only hosts for it...
i get that we need to protect the old and young with a weak immunesystem. dont missjudge that please. but the idea that we can eradicate the flu like we did with polio is to abstract.
Yep. I don't the see the problem.
DrDamn
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Up to what age do you need to follow this advice?
H.Protagonist
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Maybe if you post it twenty times in a row like an unavoidable wall, people will actually read it.
metalslimer
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Also I'm not sure if someone cleared this up, but breastmilk antibodies stay in the digestive system so if you were to pick up an infection somewhere they wouldn't help. Also assuming that every maternal antibody transferred will protect you from everything and somehow gives you a strong immune system is crazy. There is a lot more to the immune system than anitbodies.
And sure, if you are a healthy young adult, you will probably survive the flu. The kids and elderly and immunosuppressed who may come in contact with you might not have as good a chance, though.
Lol and people want to talk about ignorance and think they can eradicate influenza. Good joke.
I think babies are still getting their early vaccinations up through like 6 months. the main issue is that newborns aren't given vaccinations immediately. I think they get their first shots at 2 months but it is a series.
I should know this stuff, but I forgot.
In any case, i don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to get TDAP and flu shots.
LegendofJoe
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Reading this reminded me how many women have to go back to work 2 weeks or less after giving birth. Going out in the world and interacting with the public not yet healed from giving birth. And then after being around tons of proudly ignorant anti-vaxers they go back home to their immuno-compromised newborn children not knowing what they've brought back with them.
This isnt some hypothetical either, it happens all the time. And it's a major reason why the US has an outrageous, unacceptable infant mortality rate. This is deadly serious, so shame on anyone that talks down a parent who is actually taking steps to both protect their kid and those of others as well.
onadesertedisland
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Glad you chimed in with your encyclopedic knowledge.
ugaboga232
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I mean we can but it won't be through the current paradigm. That doesn't mean we can't increase herd immunity which has exponential benefits.
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