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Wait But Why: It's Going to Be Okay

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bsp

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Tim Urban shares his election thoughts:

Those people aren’t scared about what happened last night—they’re elated, and relieved, and grateful.

And though it probably feels unintuitive to most readers of this blog, it turns out that there are just as many people who are thrilled by last night’s election as there are people who are devastated by it. For every single American who voted for Hillary yesterday and who watched last night’s events unfold in horror, there’s another American out there who rejoiced. It’s a 1-to-1 ratio.

Hillary supporters are going to go through a bunch of stages of grief before they finally reach acceptance. I’ve already gone through about nine stages myself—and I’ve come out of them with two main thoughts:

1) This is not as bad as it seems.

2) This is a moment for reflection.

Let’s discuss #1 first. Reading the internet throughout the night, I saw Hillary supporters saying a lot of pretty dramatic things, and I think we all need to take it down just a notch. Some examples of things I’m seeing:

“I’m moving to Canada.”

You and I both know your ass isn’t going anywhere. First of all, Canada doesn’t want you. Secondly, this is still a great country you should be proud of. More on that in a bit.

“She won the popular vote. This system is so fucked.”

Yup. The system is dumb. But if Hillary lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote, you’d be fine with it. You can’t protest a system only when you lose.

“We’ll never have a female president.”

I don’t believe that for a second and I don’t think you do either. Hillary didn’t lose because she’s a woman. She lost because Hillary is bad at campaigning and because Trump had a message that resonated with a lot of people and she didn’t. The country is unbelievably ready to elect a woman as its president and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens in the next election or the one after. And it’ll be so awesome whenever it happens.

“Trump has no idea how to be a world leader.”

He sure does not. But think of it this way: the US executive branch needs to have expertise in about 1,000 things, and no president comes into office as an expert in more than a tenth of those things. The president’s job is to bring in a large team of experts to fill in the 90% that he or she doesn’t know about. For Trump, maybe that number is 98% instead of 90%. But our executive branch will be run by a large group of people, not just Trump, and as a whole they’ll have all the expertise of any other administration. Sure, the president has a lot of say and does have a significant amount of individual power, and that’s a bit terrifying when it comes to Trump—but I’m encouraged by both his experience running a large, complex company and his surprisingly adult choice of Pence as a running mate. I’d predict that President Trump is all about surrounding himself with experts who know very well how to run the executive branch.

“Holy shit the Supreme Court.”

If you care passionately about socially liberal values, this is a fair thing to be super upset about. But it’s also kind of an expected reality. Bush Sr. appointed two justices. So did Clinton. So did Bush Jr. So did Obama. And it’s historically unusual for one party to hold the White House for more than two terms, so history shows that we’re kind of in line for a couple conservative justices. There will be another liberal in office before too long who will appoint more liberal justices. Yes, the whole Merrick Garland thing was maddening if you’re a social liberal, but overall, the fact is that you live in a democracy where half of the people are socially conservative—so this is reality. Look at the bright side—Trump isn’t especially socially conservative, so his appointees may not be either.

“RIP America.”

America didn’t die. In fact, what happened last night is America being very much alive. Half the country felt ignored and angry and disenfranchised and they wrested control of the government from the people they felt ignored by. That’s how democracy works. It’s an uncomfortable compromise where half the country is appalled by who the president is at all times. Obama’s elections made tens of millions of people feel the same way.

Now granted, this is an unusual case. Trump is extra appalling. So much so that much of his own party is appalled by him. That’s unusual. But it’s not unusual where it counts—he got about the same number of votes as Hillary and ended up winning pretty big in the electoral college. That makes him no less legit a president than anyone in the past.

Secondly, a bigger point: no one person has the power to RIP America, no matter what they do. America is bigger than you or me, and America is much, much bigger than Donald Trump. America is a 320-million-person melting pot, run by a government made up of thousands of people working within a twisty, convoluted set of branches, ruled by a 240-year-old instruction booklet that specifically makes it impossible for any one dick to ride a wave of populist anger into a position where he can RIP America. America is un-RIP-able, at least by the hands of any president.

America survived a civil war, slavery, two world wars, a handful of crippling recessions, 9/11, and a whole lot of really shitty presidents—and it’ll survive Donald Trump.

More in the link. TL;DR: The US isn't ending. Time to reflect.
 

lightus

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I appreciate the sentiment but I have a feeling it's not going to work out so well. GAF is in full meltdown mode right now. Another guy started a thread about trying to stay positive and most all the responses are overwhelming negative.
 

bsp

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I appreciate the sentiment but I have a feeling it's not going to work out so well. GAF is in full meltdown mode right now. Another guy started a thread about trying to stay positive and most all the responses are overwhelming negative.

As we found out this morning, GAF trends tend to be incorrect. ;)
 

jerry113

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The US isn't ending but it had a chance to continue its progressive step in a solid way but instead took 100 steps backwards. It's just heartbreaking.
 

Tagyhag

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For every single American who voted for Hillary yesterday and who watched last night’s events unfold in horror, there’s another American out there who rejoiced. It’s a 1-to-1 ratio.

Well this is just false. Not only did Hillary get more popular votes, but there were so many people that just did not vote, how could we ever say it was 1 to 1?
 
I normally really enjoy WBW but with this article, I feel this is just one more blogger trying to downplay what is going to happen as if he knows any better than we do what is going to happen, ignoring many important facets of the greater picture, and once again minimizing the real and serious impact of this result for minorities and women.
 
Well this is just false. Not only did Hillary get more popular votes, but there were so many people that just did not vote, how could we ever say it was 1 to 1?
i mean, it's 1.2:1 at best in democrat's favor. (I'm not sure what favor means in that sentence.)
 

Madness

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Why does none of these articles ever talk about climate change in such optimistic terms

Also note that it is primarily white people telling others to calm down or act like nothing changed. Because they are affected the least here. Even on CNN. Van Jones talking about what Trump victory means for him and his kids and Kayleigh and Jeffrey saying oh don't worry we'll have unity blah blah.
 

SL128

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Venture

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I don’t believe that for a second and I don’t think you do either. Hillary didn’t lose because she’s a woman. She lost because Hillary is bad at campaigning and because Trump had a message that resonated with a lot of people and she didn’t. The country is unbelievably ready to elect a woman as its president and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens in the next election or the one after.
This seems quite naïve. So there's no misogyny in America? In a close election it had no effect whatsoever? Really?
 

bsp

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This seems quite naïve. So there's no misogyny in America? In a close election it had no effect whatsoever? Really?

The quoted section does not claim that misogyny does not exist and that it had no effect whatsoever.
 
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Deleted member 80556

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Pretty much. Don't tell people not to freak out. We either realize we have a problem and take steps to correct it (protests, actually voting in midterms, etc.) or America is going to have very sad 4 years. EDIT: And this is coming from a WBW loving fan. Very disappointing. It's similar to Freakonomics trying to say that the President doesn't have a lot of power a few months after releasing a podcast with the name "Has the President turned into a dictator?".
 

TheXbox

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So we shouldn't worry about Trump's ineptitude because he's surrounded by climate change deniers, corporate interests, and husks like Gingrich who will do all the work for him? That's great.
 

Lime

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Fuck that post. A bunch of diet racism filled with fascist apologia.

Tell this shit to DACA people, black people, hispanics, lgbtq, Muslims, the whole human race affected by climate change.
 

Betty

Banned
Oh it's bad alright, how bad is yet to be determined.

One thing for sure I'm expecting is body cameras to be done away with, giving cops back free reign to do whatever without any consequences.
 
I'm so fucking tired of white people telling me as a minority how everything is going to be ok. It must be so fucking nice to know you won't fave most of the consequences of this.
 
Nobody can predict the future with 100% accuracy. Ie. Nobody really knows if it will be OK, or if it will be a disaster.

Having said that, I think it's completely reasonable and understandable for people (including myself, and I'm not even American) to be highly concerned and upset about the results of this election and for the future of the United States. I mean, the results certainly can reflect on the country's level of misogyny, homophobia, racism etc. Not a good start, if you ask me..
 

Lime

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I don't like Tim Urban and he can go take a hike or start revolting instead of this acceptance of fascism

“But Trump can still do a huge amount of damage.”

Yes he can. And that sucks. But every president can do a lot of damage, and many of them do, and we’re still standing. And remember, the president is seriously limited in what he can do without the approval of other parts of the government, so he’s unlikely to be able to carry out anything that crazy.

On the plus side, it’s a little simplistic to assume that every idea Trump has is terrible. Trump has some good ideas and some refreshing ideas. He may be very good in some areas. He’s nerve-wracking for sure, but let’s look at the full picture.

“Easy for you to say, white male blogger. I’m brown and I don’t feel safe here anymore.”

Here’s what I’ll say to that:

This country had your back yesterday and it’ll have your back tomorrow. America isn’t the president and it’s not the government—it’s 320 million people, and those people haven’t changed. Almost every ethnicity of American was at some point in the role of unwelcome immigrant, and I think there’s a deep ethos of acceptance that pervades everything—an ethos Donald Trump can’t touch. Sure, there are plenty of racists and xenophobes—the US is a troubled place when it comes to race, religion, and ethnicity—but I don’t see Trump’s election as proof that there’s some growing people-phobia trend happening. Which reminds me of another thing I keep seeing:

Yeah fuck him
 
If/when the GOP passes the Ryan budget and cuts and block-grants Medicaid, there's going to be a ton of pain for poor, vulnerable people. That's not okay.
 

EviLore

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Affluent straight white males across the nation united in agreement this Wednesday that everything is not actually as bad as it seems.
 
Yeah, this is just for white moderates/Trump supporters who chose repealing ACA or some shit to feel better about their choices and bludgeoning minorities with their own suffering.
 
This kind of article would be alright with someone like Romney winning, a "normal" candidate winning who, sure, would probably make some anti-progressive moves, but not to such a degree that the landscape of the country would radically change. Trump is not a "normal" candidate, and with him comes the most anti-progressive, anti-intellectual GOP since probably Regan, who now control all branches of government. Will the Republic actually end. I don't know, probably not, because he have survived some serious shit in our history, but anyone who doesn't see the potential in this equation to radically change this country you're not looking very clearly. I mean, who knows what will actually happen at the end of the day, but there's real reason for worry, real reason for dread.
 

Air

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The most concerning thing is his stance on environmental issues. But I think any well informed person knows that he can be held accountable and there are checks and balances in place. Will we regret in aspects, yeah there's a good chance of that but it's not the end of the world.

GAF is freaking out because Trump proved the data wrong. And on a forum described as appealing to logic and evidence this (rightfully) makes a lot of people uncomfortable be cause trump shows it doesn't matter. We're a demographic of people that like to use data, logic and reason and seeing someone so readily disassemble that terrifies everyone forcing them to react in an extreme way, which is understandable but it's not the end of the world (yet)
 

Lime

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This article is really making me upset. Just roll over and accept this? People who voted Trump aren't racist because they once voted for Obama? Tim Urban has no idea about what he's talking about.
 

Fox Mulder

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Fuck off with the idea of coming together and legitimizing hate and bigotry. Hate won and it won't be fine.

1-1 ratio is a fucking joke.
 

Venture

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The quoted section does not claim that misogyny does not exist and that it had no effect whatsoever.
He said she didn't lose because she's a woman. I think if a relatively few more Americans had been able to accept a woman as president she would've won. I call that causing her to lose. And saying that America is ready to warmly embrace it's first woman president? I still call it naïve.
 

Nafai1123

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All due respect but we have no fucking idea whats going to happen or how bad it could be. This article comes off as patrionizing as hell.
 
trying to make the best of a bad situation is not the same as turning your back on the very people that you believe in. that's the very nature of politics.

fuck anyone who doesn't agree in equal literal rights for any human person and doesn't respect minorities' experience in the real world.
 
The most concerning thing is his stance on environmental issues. But I think any well informed person knows that he can be held accountable and there are checks and balances in place. Will we regret in aspects, yeah there's a good chance of that but it's not the end of the world.

GAF is freaking out because Trump proved the data wrong. And on a forum described as appealing to logic and evidence this (rightfully) makes a lot of people uncomfortable be cause trump shows it doesn't matter. We're a demographic of people that like to use data, logic and reason and seeing someone so readily disassemble that terrifies everyone forcing them to react in an extreme way, which is understandable but it's not the end of the world (yet)
What checks and balances? Republicans own practically all levels of government and they all want more fossil fuels.
 
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thepotatoman

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What about muslims who are worried about a ban from entering the country, collective punishment, and a reinstatement of the torture program.

What about kids worried that their parents will be shipped back to mexico.

What about black people worried about the department of justice no longer investigating and punishing police departments for being discriminatory, instead giving them access to military hardware.

What about poor people who got health insurance through Obamacare, and families that need to use welfare programs like SNAP.

What about every day americans worried about the economic impact of a trade war with china, or global warming.
 
The most concerning thing is his stance on environmental issues. But I think any well informed person knows that he can be held accountable and there are checks and balances in place. Will we regret in aspects, yeah there's a good chance of that but it's not the end of the world.

GAF is freaking out because Trump proved the data wrong. And on a forum described as appealing to logic and evidence this (rightfully) makes a lot of people uncomfortable be cause trump shows it doesn't matter. We're a demographic of people that like to use data, logic and reason and seeing someone so readily disassemble that terrifies everyone forcing them to react in an extreme way, which is understandable but it's not the end of the world

I'm not worried about data. I believed Trump could win because I can see America.

"GAF" is upset for a variety of reasons. Many minorities are upset because our president is a certified bigot, with support from many who are either bigots themselves, or unfazed by bigotry. White moderates are upset at the minorities for daring to be upset. Dems are upset about the horrible turnout and bad showing by the DNC, Repubs are upset that people are being mean to them.
 
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