Max Legroom
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Come on man. Don't insult our intelligence by presenting agenda-driven propaganda as fact.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed
Washington Post: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children
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Come on man. Don't insult our intelligence by presenting agenda-driven propaganda as fact.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed
JordanN
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The topic is about borders.
The idea the U.S has no sovereignty because of events that happen 250+ years ago is spreading the false claim America is illegitimate and thus open for destruction.
And the constitution still matters because the people who founded America are the ones who still care about. If those people get replaced, it puts such values in jeopardy.
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Talks about posting agenda-driven propaganda and then posts a link to a group that was founded by one of the Koch Brothers. Bit ironic.
That seems to be your personal hang up. I'm making a point that the past very much effects the present whether its personal bias, policy enacted by the government or how it defends itself.
JordanN
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But why does this matter for borders?
You either restrict it or your don't. The events from 250 years ago do not dictate how America gets to decide who gets to stay there.
If every other country is allowed to control their borders (which they do), then America is equally justified.
Max Legroom
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Uh, I don't think you're quite following here. Or reading the links.
Dev1lXYZ
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Well, let's look at the financiers of said institute, shall we?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurie...rent-the-only-funders-of-cato/2/#28ab3d2a55e4
The Koch brothers and George Soros are in there....hmmm. I wonder what agendas they have. Seems pretty dogone agenda driven to me.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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The people who founded America are dead. Do we care about dead people or no?
Things change.
Max Legroom
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Can't dispute the claims so just ad hom, eh? I thought that type of thing went to Reeeeee.
I'm well aware of who the CATO Institute is and acting like its somehow not agenda driven propaganda is pretty funny.
JordanN
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I don't want America to turn into the next Mexico.
Where are the refugees going to go when the U.S turns into the exact same habitat that they wanted to flee?
It creates a vicious cycle of people upping and leaving until there is no where to run.
It's best to just leave America the way it is and let them handle refugees on a case by case basis, instead of flooding the country and destroying its demographics.
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And you're a fool if you think that our past actions as a country and a people don't affect our border policy today. You keep on going on about how the events of 250 years ago do not dictate how America gets to decide to gets to stay here but then you go off about the constitution, our laws and so on. Which is it because you can't even seem to agree with yourself.
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JordanN
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America closes its borders, who is going to stop them? The ghosts of 18th century past?
They're dead, move on. America is here to stay.
Max Legroom
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Do you have any actual thoughts on the arguments in the two analyses or is this lazy Bannonite dismissal the sum total of your ability to contribute?
I forget which paranoid infowars boogie-man im supposed to be against. Is George Soros the liberal pedophile sex traffic guy and the Koch Brothers the evil conservatives? Can you clue me in on the latest in this idiocy?
Dev1lXYZ
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I'll keep the summary short. Sometime after the 1990's George went batshit insane. His foundation was kicked out of his home country, Hungary for 'shadowy and nefarious' reasons according to that government. He basically funded Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2016-which had no platform and lost the election. He is also a fan of open borders.
Max Legroom
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(((Soros))) will not replace us!
What percentage of Clinton's campaign did he fund?
rokkerkory
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What is your point when you're not even American? Lol what a crock.
Papa
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This is mostly the truth as far as I'm aware. Soros also apparently purchased a $3m stake in the New York Times a few weeks ago. People on the other side of the political divide will label you a conspiracy theorist but it's easily verifiable that he was a major donor to the Clinton campaign: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00000019
Interestingly enough, many of the people who would cringe and handwave you away at the mere mention of (((Soros))) would also be critical of Fox News for its association with Roger Ailes and the Republican Party. It's Orwellian doublethink, pure and simple.
The other one to be aware of is Jeff Bezos' ownership of the Washington Post. The journalism industry runs on credibility so I'm baffled by why they are so eager to jump in bed with major political donors. I know the reason is $$ so it's mostly a rhetorical question, but surely there should be laws against it just as there are laws for separation of church and state.