What do i do about this girl? (long, not a dating thread)

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aoi tsuki

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There's this girl at work who's in a really bad situation. A few days ago, i'm in the cafe cleaning up, and she runs to the alcove at the back of the cafe, sits on the step ladder, and starts crying. She tells me that "can't please everyone" and that her ex had just recently left and tried. According to her, he cheated on her, then apologized about it, and then denied it. So she ended it with him. She considers him a friend despite the fact he's using her for her discount and probably trying to get back with her, and i told her that friends don't do shit like that and that she needed to do the same thing i had to do a few years ago, and cut people out of her life that cause problems.

Her situation at home is really bad. She lives with her stepdad and mother. Her car recently died on her, and her stepdad got her another one, but in his name. Despite the fact that combined her parents bring home $8000 a month, and that they bought her brother who's living at home with the girl he impregnated at 23 a car, all they can do for her is bitch that she isn't cleaning the house well enough, or tell her that she isn't worth shit and won't amount to anything.

After she told me about how things were at home, i immediately thought of what i could do for her. When it comes to women, especially those i'm close to in any sense, i have a bad case of "savior complex". i almost feel obligated to help despite the fact that, in cases like this, i'm not. i remember when i was a kid and went to a therapist, she said that i was getting sick because i felt i had to protect my mom, a single mother at the time, and that i took on all of her problems and stress. i'm not a therapist, but i think my "condition" originated from this. Throughout the rest of the day, i fought this with myself, realizing there wasn't much i could do at the moment to really help her, but feeling so strongly that i needed to do something that i'd say she could stay with me and my roommate. i even worked out some numbers in my head and realized we could get a place and split the rent, but i didn't mention it to her. It was literally like there were two mes who were arguing about how to handle the situation.

This is also the same girl i tried to hook up with, but i got the impression she wasn't interested or just didn't know what the fuck she wanted. She's got so much going on in her life, that for the both of us i didn't really try to pursue anything, and perhaps moreso, i quickly got tired of her games and just said fuck it.

i've calmed down quite a bit since then, but i'd really like to help her with whatever i can. i'm already researching some GED scoring guidelines, because she apparently failed the test because of poor scoring on one part, when she scored enough on the other parts to more than make up for it. At this point, i think the best thing i can do is provide moral support for her, along with whatever legal and common sense advice i can provide. Part of me is saying i shouldn't get involved in things, because the way things happen (especially around here) is that a girl with a fucked-up family life meets a guy who's stable, and they end up getting married. Either that, or the more likely scenario where she starts dancing, picks up a habit, and falls for some piece of shit who abuses her and eventually marries.

At this point, i've pretty much decided to give her some support as an outsider, but i'd like to get some different viewpoints on the situation.
 
Not to mean any disrespect, but I think your "condition" also, if not mostly, originates from the fact that you also want to get closer to her. Intimately. If not, moving in together and splitting the rent would NOT be an option, because then it isn't considered moral support anymore. You would be getting way too close for just moral support, (as you said, fucked up people seek refuge in stable people and before you know it, you're in in the deepest relationship you've ever been in) so watch the ground you're stepping on.

How far your support to her extends depends on what your "condition" really stems from, there's nobody but yourself who can and should decide how involved you need to get.
 
i think your on the right track here.

you should just give her moral support and tell her that she has to speak to her family about this!

tell them how she feels at home and that she does not like it.

i guess thats the only thing you can do... or you could split an apartment with her and maybe just maybe she falls for you and you will get your girl :)
but it would not be nice of you to take advantage of a girl in trouble!

these things are sad. i really wish that every family around the world could be happy.
 
I'm not trying to be an asshole here, many times i have tried to help people, because i felt this huge weight on my shoulder just by listening to them and talking to them about their daily lives, but over the years i have learned i can't always help people and sometimes its much better not to get involve, just try to be an outisder.

Sorry bro, but you are only doing this because you obviously can't just shove away the feelings you have for her and would use this opportunity just to some how be with her, either friends or lovers, its not your fault its just something people do subconsciously.. Maybe theres more to her problems at home she isn't telling you about. You should definitely try to understand things more before you move in with her, the worst part of all this is your roommate[if he's a guy] fucking her in the end with you getting owned for trying to be a good samaritan.

Don't get too much involve with her emotional baggage, you have your own life and problems to deal with too on a daily bases.
 
For the record, i haven't fallen for the girl. By "hook up" i just meant sex.

The idea of moving in with her was wholly knee-jerk as far as i'm concerned. She's the second girl i worked with that had problems at home (last girl was almost exactly the same), and when i found out what her home situation was like, she ended up quitting a week later. For that reason and others, i'm not trying to make any long-term goals here, at least i'm trying not to.
 
Leon said:
You would be getting way too close for just moral support, (as you said, fucked up people seek refuge in stable people and before you know it, you're in in the deepest relationship you've ever been in) so watch the ground you're stepping on.

And from experience I can tell you that getting with one of these girls with the intention of "fixing them" and then letting them go doesn't work. They become hopelessly attached and when you break up with them they start the cycle over. OH GOD IT NEVER ENDS.

However, I may be one of the few people here that believe that the whole apartment thing has nothing to do with sex or a relationship and is just an honest attempt to help the girl.
 
robertsan21 said:
you should just give her moral support and tell her that she has to speak to her family about this!

tell them how she feels at home and that she does not like it.
Got any ideas for after she wakes up from her dreams in MAGICAL FAIRY LAND?

I'd give her a place to stay, it sounds like you'd be helping her out a lot, just don't be too nice to her.
 
Don't do it man!

I was much like you before (liked to help girls, problem stemming from issues with my mom). But being this way introduced me to my psycho bitch ex girlfriend...I was 'nice' to her and helped her through her rough patch with her ex. Then she wanted to date ME. So I tried to make her happy and did things that made her happy but made me miserable.

I think sooner or later you're going to have to giving something of your own up to make her happy...why? and for what?

I know we all want to help people, but somewhere you gotta draw a line. Although I'm always willing to help a bro out, 'crazy girls' is where I draw the line...
 
Cubsfan23 said:
Don't do it!

Is the Admiral Ackbar pic on Mike Works' ban list from a while back? Because I fully expected that it would have been posted already. :P That was the first thing that sprang to mind when I read your post. :D
 
Loki said:
Is the Admiral Ackbar pic on Mike Works' ban list from a while back? Because I fully expected that it would have been posted already. :P That was the first thing that sprang to mind when I read your post. :D
Nah
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I think that it is very sweet of you to want to help this girl out in any way that you can, but I'd suggest that you try not to get too personally involved with her at this point in time. The truth of that neither you or your roommate know this girl on a personal level well enough to know what to expect out of sharing your accomodations with her. What it sounds like to me is that you're inviting yourself into a situation where 1.) you will be obligated and responsible for another person and entitled to all of the pressures thereof -- financial and otherwise -- followed by 2.) creating a situation for this girl where she will be to a large extent financially and otherwise dependant upon you providing for her. If things go bad, then you could end up feeling responsible for making the situation worse.

There are many ways to "help" a person and the biggest one of all is to simply be supportive. As long as you're there for her to talk with, seek advice from and have a shoulder to cry on, then you're as much of a "Knight in Shining Armor" as she needs at the moment. My primary concern with all of this is that you could be walking into a "doormat" situation.

she needed to do the same thing i had to do a few years ago, and cut people out of her life that cause problems.
 
No disrespect, but does everyone on GAF work ina mall where they have issues with girls?
It just seems so, that's all.
:)
And good luck with her. Often best to let people make their own mistakes. You have got to fall once or twice before you value standing up.
 
Waychel said:
I think that it is very sweet of you to want to help this girl out in any way that you can, but I'd suggest that you try not to get too personally involved with her at this point in time.

There are many ways to "help" a person and the biggest one of all is to simply be supportive. As long as you're there for her to talk with, seek advice from and have a shoulder to cry on, then you're as much of a "Knight in Shining Armor" as she needs at the moment. My primary concern with all of this is that you could be walking into a "doormat" situation.
Yeah, i'm trying to keep my cool about the situation. Moving in was a spur of the moment thought that i knew was a bad idea even as i thought it. While i'll admit to being a doormat in the past, i've learned a few things and like i said before, i don't let negative people stay in my life. i really do want to help, because she really feels like a failure, that she's all alone, and it just breaks my heart. There could be part of me that feels something for her in an intimate relationship sense, but it's mostly just how i am. i feel the pain of others, especially women.

Folder said:
No disrespect, but does everyone on GAF work ina mall where they have issues with girls?
It just seems so, that's all.
:)
And good luck with her. Often best to let people make their own mistakes. You have got to fall once or twice before you value standing up.
Well, working retail pretty much ensures you'll come in contact with a lot of naive young women as coworkers. And working in small southern cities ensure you'll come in contact with a lot of families where the father is a drunk and is abusive, the mother for whatever reason won't leave his sorry ass, and the kids are brought up to mimmick this behaviour. Boys get the run of the house, girls get treated like shit and have no self-respect and poor self esteem, so they end up with some dick just like dear ol' Dad. And with that, i think i answered my own question.

Granted, i know that i haven't heard both sides and there's a lot i don't know in general, but the situation is just too common around here. Before her, there was another girl in the exact same situation who confided in me. Hell, it even happened a bit in my own family. My granddad was similar to her dad in a lot of ways. My dad was an alcoholic and drug user, and i probably would've turned out the same, but my mom divorced him when i was a year and a half.
 
Update:

Today, the girl's ex came in, but earlier than usual. He works at the Italian restaurant across the street and usually comes in around ten, gets a drink, then very obviously walks through the store to see if she's working and leaves. He gets a drink today, and i see him walk across the store towards her. She's talking with some older guy while straightening hte shelves, and i find out later it's her stepdad. A few minutes later, her ex leaves, and later her stepdad. The two of them talk in the parking lot.

So again, she comes over to my area and starts crying about her situation. She says her dad yelled at her for something she didn't even do, and that she's going to get her friend to pick her up (she still doesn't have a car) and drop her by her house to pick up some of her stuff. i tell her to go to her local police department and have a police officer accompany her, but she's obviously not listening.

Some time passes and i'm in the back grabbing supplies, and i see her again in the back. Crying again, she tells me that she's going to live with her boyfriend. i ask if she's with back with her ex and she says no, it's a new guy. i'm kinda shocked that she's attached again after breaking up with her ex a month ago. i figure it's some older guy in his late 20s or older, who just sees her as a young piece of ass he'll toss aside when he's tired of her.

An hour or so later, i take a smoke break outside. She joins me. The conversation is a wrapup of recent events, along with her feelings of inadequacy. A few hours later, she's left with her friend.

With that, i'm officially done with the situation. i had gotten myself involved with helping her because i thought she might take my advice. i wanted her to know that somebody gave a damn about her, and foolishly thought maybe that, along with whatever support and help i could provide, that would motivate her to move on. i didn't expect change overnight, but i thought it would at least help. But whatever. i can't help her if she won't help herself.

She's scheduled tomorrow, but i have a feeling she won't be there. It's a 45-minute drive from her boyfriend's house to work, and despite the fact the she said he could use one of his cars, there's just too much potential for something happening. If she's still working there tomorrow, she probably won't in a month.

i hope the best for her, but i really expect things to get worse from here.
 
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