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[Socreges]

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Is there a website that might explain?

 

[number386]

http://www.scottishhistory.com/articles/independence/braveheart.html

 

[Socreges]

Perfect, thanks

 

[Asbel]

Not sure of a site but the commentary track by Gibson goes through what he added. Most notable being the made up romance between Wallace and the Princess from what I remember.

 

[Piecake]

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/screeningthepast/firstrelease/fir598/ALfr3a.htm

I didnt really read it since it was rather long, but there might be something useful in there.

Also, this isnt much but here is a history of William Wallace:

(1270?–1305). The Scottish national hero William Wallace as a young man killed an Englishman who insulted him. For this he was outlawed. He then collected a band of followers and began a struggle against the English rule of Edward I.

Gradually the number of his followers grew. Wallace defeated and almost destroyed the English army at Stirling on Sept. 11, 1297, drove the enemy entirely out of Scotland, and devastated the whole northern part of England. As a reward Wallace was knighted and proclaimed guardian of Scotland. Edward soon led a new and larger English army against him, and on July 22, 1298, Wallace's forces were overpowered in the battle of Falkirk. Wallace was later captured and taken to London. There he was executed as a traitor on Aug. 23, 1305.

Wallace had failed to free his country from the yoke of England, but he had inspired others to carry on the struggle. A few years later Scotland's independence was temporarily secured under Robert Bruce.

Got it from here: http://80-www.search.eb.com.floyd.lib.umn.edu/ebi/article?tocId=9277640&query=William Wallace&ct=

 

[Socreges]

Was Edward II actually gay? I think I remember hearing that was true.

How was Edward III conceived then?

 

[BlackMage]

I have Bruce clan blood in me according to the family tree. I wonder if i'm related to ol' Robert the traitor himself.

 

[Piecake]

Edward's preference for surrounding himself with outsiders harkened back to the troubled reign of Henry III. The most notable was Piers Gaveston, a young Gascon exiled by Edward I for his undue influence on the Prince of Wales and, most likely, the king's homosexual lover.

Exerpt from http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon31.html

Its not like a gay person has never impregnated a woman before. Plus, royal marraiges were more about political moves and heirs rather than about love or sexual desire.

 

[pestul]

I have Bruce clan blood in me according to the family tree. I wonder if i'm related to ol' Robert the traitor himself.

I have Lachlan blood in me (McLachlan).. we betrayed Wallace at the battle of Falkirk. My relative's the dude you see get his throat slit and fall on the table where they're having a meeting of the clans. :lol

We get the honor of one of the best quotes from the film.. "Mourney took estates (in where ever I think Yorkshire).. Lachlan <sighs King Edward> they went for.. much less." :/

 

[DCharlie]

talking to a lot of scottish people, you'd think scotland and England were still at war.... the sad reality is , the English don't give a shit, and the scottish are still living like it's 1200.

 

[fallout]

Was Edward II actually gay? I think I remember hearing that was true.

How was Edward III conceived then?

I seem to remember reading that ancient Greek athletes hung out with young boys a lot, yet they still had wives and whatnot.

 

[Groder Mullet]

I have Lachlan blood in me (McLachlan).. we betrayed Wallace at the battle of Falkirk. My relative's the dude you see get his throat slit and fall on the table where they're having a meeting of the clans. :lol

We get the honor of one of the best quotes from the film.. "Mourney took estates (in where ever I think Yorkshire).. Lachlan <sighs King Edward> they went for.. much less." :/

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Mejilan]

Just wanted to add that it was a fantastic movie. After I first saw it (1996) I was actually inspired to research WW a bit. Discovered rather quickly that the movie was a historical farce, but that doesn't detract from the movie much.

 

[WedgeX]

]In 1306 Bruce met John Comyn in Dumfries where after an argument Bruce killed him. This set off a chain of events which led to both his excommunication and his coronation as king. It would be a long hard struggle before he would hold the country as his own. When he met the English army on the fields by the Bannock Burn outside Stirling he was not there to receive their blessing of his crown but to defend Stirling castle (which was to surrender to him if he could keep the English away) and to defeat one of the largest English armies sent north since Falkirk.

That was my ancestor the Bruce killed. Jerk.

 

[COCKLES]

talking to a lot of scottish people, you'd think scotland and England were still at war.... the sad reality is , the English don't give a shit, and the scottish are still living like it's 1200.

Tell me about it.

In Scotland recently, they had a phone-in poll for victims of racism to call up. They expected to get loads of calls from indians, chinese and blacks...instead 60% of calls were from English people living in Scotland who have had bricks thrown through windows, shit put through letterbox and scottish nationalist graffiti strewn on their houses. Even Billy Connelly said it was a national disgrace that so many Scottish still act like it's the middle ages.

I met this chinese girl a few years ago, works in Scotland but born in London. She has a total scottish accent and mannerisms. I asked her if that was to help her fit in Scotland being a ethnic minority, to which she replied "no...I just don't want them thinking I'm English".

 

[White Man]

I seem to remember reading that ancient Greek athletes hung out with young boys a lot, yet they still had wives and whatnot.

The concept of a homosexual lifestyle did not exist until approximately 125 years ago or so. Dudes may have slept with dudes on occasion (and may or may not have been considered weird), but exclusively homosexual relationships are for the most part a new phenomenon.

 

[Socreges]

Its not like a gay person has never impregnated a woman before. Plus, royal marraiges were more about political moves and heirs rather than about love or sexual desire.

I seem to remember reading that ancient Greek athletes hung out with young boys a lot, yet they still had wives and whatnot.

Um, my "then" wasn't supposed to mean "since he couldn't have sex with a woman", but "since this creates a potential problem".

talking to a lot of scottish people, you'd think scotland and England were still at war.... the sad reality is , the English don't give a shit, and the scottish are still living like it's 1200.

Think about that for a moment, you limey. Why would the English give a shit? It's their kingdom. And Scotland's subjection to it, while not necessarily hurting their lives, compromises what Scotland is as a nation.

It stands that Scottish people are better people than English, at any rate, regardless of hang-ups.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

The movie was one of my favorites when I was young. I hadn't seen enough movies, really. It's a cool movie, but it's full of cliches and historical inadequacies. Well, typical of Mel Gibson.

 

[Socreges]

I've always known that Braveheart was unapologetically inaccurate, but it's remained one of my favourite movies. It's still a wonderful story and beautifully told.