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What's the total area of this triangle minus the rectangle?

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goodcow

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(LEG1*LEG2)/2 = area of a right triangle (this is a right triangle since we know that 2 angles are 45 degrees due to the opposite sides being equal.

So you do
((11*11)/2) - (2ft 5in* 3ft 2in) = total area of this triangle minus the rectangle
 

Miguel

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Triangle = 1/2L*W
Rectangle = L*W
Rectangle = 8712 sq inches
Triangle = 1102 sq inches

8712 - 1102 = 7610

87 feet and some odd inches. Don't feeel like getting further into it. Head hurting...5th grade math...failing...
 

Tenacious-V

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it's an isosceles triangle, where 2 sides are equal. A right angle triangle is where 1 side is 90*.
 

border

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I think the sides of a right triangle always have to be a different length. This is isoceles.

Using pythagorean theorem doesn't give you 15.5 exactly.....they are just trying to trick you.
 

border

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Oh wait, now I remember.

You have to split it into two right triangles, a base of (15.5/2).

Use pythagorean theorem for the height....then it is (b*h)/2 for the area of each triangle. And those two areas together for the area of the isoceles triangle, then subtract the area of the rectangle.

Convert everything into inches first. They are obviously trying to fuck with you by giving you one measurement as 15.5 feet, but the others are in ft + inches.
 

GG-Duo

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No, I think a right triangle has to have all 3 sides to be the same and perpendicular to each other in order for the Pythagorean Lemma to work.
 

Jak140

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border said:
Oh wait, now I remember.

You have to split it into two right triangles, a base of (15.5/2).

Use pythagorean theorem for the height....then it is (b*h)/2 for the area of each triangle. And those two areas together for the area of the isoceles triangle, then subtract the area of the rectangle.

Convert everything into inches first. They are obviously trying to fuck with you by giving you one measurement as 15.5 feet, but the others are in ft + inches.

Bingo.
 

Miguel

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ok, fine. say it's not a right triangle


You cut the triangle in half right down the middle.


A = 1/2 (15.5) = 7.75 ft
B = X
C = 11

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

(7.75)^2 + X^2 = 11^2

60.0625 + X^2 = 121

X^2 = 121 - 60.0625

X^2 = 60.9375

X = 7.8062474979979977573086164011747 <---yeah, you should probably do with with fractions, but I'm lazy.

X = 7.8062474979979977573086164011747 = B

Now that you know B, you take A * B, and then figure out the area of the rectangle, and substitute.

So tired.
 

shibby

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Split the triangle right down the middle to get two right triangles. Use the pythagorean theorem to find the height to be about 7.8 feet. Then area equals 7.8*7.75 divided by 2. You have two equal triangles though so you can ignore the divide by 2 part. So area of triangle is about 61 and just minus the area of the rectangle after that. You should get an answer of around 52.8.
 

Shompola

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split triangle into two equal halfs by drawing a straight line down from the upper corner in the triangle.

focus on the left triangle that you have created.

cos alpha = 7.75/11 => alpha = 45.2 degrees

the line you created is sin 45.2 * 11 = 7.81 ft

area of triangle 7.81*7.75 = 60.5 ft
 

Loki

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Couldn't you just divide this into two right triangles by splitting the base in half, using the pythagorean theorem to find the new vertical side, using 1/2(base)*(height) to find the area of each right triangle and adding these two areas, then subtracting the area of the rectangle?

So it would be (converting all values to inches):


(132^2) - ((1/2(186))^2 = vertical^2

8775 = vert^2

vert = 93.67 inches


So now the area of each "half" right triangle that comprise the larger triangle would be:

1/2(93)*(93.67) = 4355.66 inches

Multiplying by two gives you the area of the total triangle, which would be 8711.31 inches. The area of the rectangle is just L*W, so it's 29*38 = 1102 inches. Subtracting 1102 inches from 8711.31 inches gives 7609.31 inches as the total area of the triangle minus that of the rectangle. Dividing this by 12^2 (inches) yields 52.84 sq. ft.


I hope this is correct, since it's been about 9-10 years since I've worked with triangles, longer for proofs. :p

Egg on my face if this is wrong. :D
 

Tarazet

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Area of triangle including rectangle: ~60.5 square feet (really 60.498 something)

Area of rectangle: 7.652 square feet

Area of triangle EXCLUDING rectangle: 52.848 square feet
 

Loki

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Cyan said:
Loki: You divided by 12 to get feet, but it's SQUARE feet, so you should have divided by 144. Other than that I think you were right.

That's what I just thought myself, and was doing it on the calculator right after I erased it.

At least I'm not (quite) as stoopid as I had supposed. :D


EDIT: Hah! I was correct besides the minor "feet squared" oversight! I'm reinserting my original post. :D
 

=W=

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:lol :lol :lol

I was beginning to doubt my math skills at first, because you guys weren't saying the way I thought it should be done, but I thought, "This is GAF! Surely, they know what they are talking about and I am wrong!"

:lol

I'll never make that mistake again!
 

Archaix

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GG-Duo said:
No, I think a right triangle has to have all 3 sides to be the same and perpendicular to each other in order for the Pythagorean Lemma to work.


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Please...please draw a triangle that is composed of three right angles for me. Please.

Tenacious-V said:
it's an isosceles triangle, where 2 sides are equal. A right angle triangle is where 1 side is 90*.

Yeah. Sad just about starts to describe it.
 

Zaptruder

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It's like... I just stepped into the twilight zone... and people think it's natural to wipe their ass with their left hand and eat with it too.
 

nitewulf

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since two sides are equal, it's an isosceles triangle. and when you drop a perpendicular from the vertex of said triangle, it bisects the base. you know the length of the base.
so drop a perpendicular from the vertex, now you know what the base of the newly formed right triangle is. you also know the length of it's hypotenuse (11ft). so now you can find the height of this triangle using the pythagorean formula/identity. once you know the height, you can derive the area by using the formula for the area of a triangle (.5*base*height). multiply this area by two to get the area of the original triangle, and finally subtract the area of the rectangle (L*W) from it.
only thing trivial is to convert everything into either inches or feet and knowing the eucledean law of a perpendicular bisector (which sorta becomes intuitive from practice and common sense perhaps).
 

nitewulf

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gamepro said:
(LEG1*LEG2)/2 = area of a right triangle (this is a right triangle since we know that 2 angles are 45 degrees due to the opposite sides being equal.
not true. only thing you can assume is that the two angles will be equal, they could have infinite number of values. they could both be 20 degrees and the bigger angle would be 140 degrees.
 

Loki

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nitewulf said:
since two sides are equal, it's an isosceles triangle. and when you drop a perpendicular from the vertex of said triangle, it bisects the base. you know the length of the base.
so drop a perpendicular from the vertex, now you know what the base of the newly formed right triangle is. you also know the length of it's hypotenuse (11ft). so now you can find the height of this triangle using the pythagorean formula/identity. once you know the height, you can derive the area by using the formula for the area of a triangle (.5*base*height). multiply this area by two to get the area of the original triangle, and finally subtract the area of the rectangle (L*W) from it.
only thing trivial is to convert everything into either inches or feet and knowing the eucledean law of a perpendicular bisector (which sorta becomes intuitive from practice and common sense perhaps).

That's exactly what I did, yet I still have this sneaking suspicion that people are calling me "sad" and other such hurtful things because I forgot to ultimately divide the answer by 144 (12^2, to get the answer in feet), and instead divided by 12 (forgetting that you have to square it). Never mind that I was typing very quickly and watching the game at the same time. I'm quite torn up over it. :(

Loki: the laughing stock of the forum.


;) :p


(This has been my first and only "pity me" post; we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming :D)
 

Tarazet

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Yikes. Just to sum up for those who are fumbling for answers:

1) Base times height, then divided by two, is the formula for all triangles.
1a) For a right triangle, this means leg 1 times leg 2.
2) The isosceles triangle above can be bisected and made into two right triangles.
3) The length of the second leg, which is also the height of the triangle, can then be found using the Pythagorean Theorem (which can only be used for right triangles). This is: a squared + b squared = c squared, where a and b are legs, and c is the hypotenuse (long leg). Substitute and solve for b. This should give you a figure of 60.0625 feet.

From there, it's gravy.
 

nitewulf

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Loki said:
That's exactly what I did, yet I still have this sneaking suspicion that people are calling me "sad" and other such hurtful things because I forgot to ultimately divide the answer by 144 (12^2, to get the answer in feet), and instead divided by 12 (forgetting that you have to square it). Never mind that I was typing very quickly and watching the game at the same time. I'm quite torn up over it. :(
well, even in square inches form the answer would be correct, there is no particular reasons to convert it into square feet or vice versa, unless specified otherwise.
 

Loki

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nitewulf said:
well, even in square inches form the answer would be correct, there is no particular reasons to convert it into square feet or vice versa, unless specified otherwise.

This is true also. It would appear that my dejection is unwarranted in this instance. :)


SUCK IT DOWN, MOCKING BITCHES! :D


Loki: redeemed :p
 

Jak140

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Loki said:
This is true also. It would appear that my dejection is unwarranted in this instance. :)


SUCK IT DOWN, MOCKING BITCHES! :D


Loki: redeemed :p
Well not if you denoted them as feet ;)
 

GG-Duo

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Archaix said:
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Please...please draw a triangle that is composed of three right angles for me. Please.

Ok, between this and that Bush deficit thread... is today "ignore GG-Duo's sarcasm" day?
 

Tenacious-V

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Archaix said:
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Please...please draw a triangle that is composed of three right angles for me. Please.



Yeah. Sad just about starts to describe it.

lol woops, my bad.... You know I meant 1 angle, not side.... :p
 
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