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Where is the DS footage from E3?

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olimario

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We got some crappy trailers from Nintendo, but none of the major sites have gameplay footage from E3 online.
No Super Mario Bros. footage from the 3 levels
No Mario Kart DS footage so we can see how it looks
No animal crossing footage to see how well the multiplayer works

It's pretty disturbing considering that many thought the DS was the best platform there. I remember how much gameplay footage went online after E32002 of Zelda and Metroid... Why did sites stop doing this?
 
The DS coverage this year has been total crap, frankly. Even in dedicated channels for the hardware, what coverage they had was lackluster at best. For example, IGN DS lists Viewtiful Joe DS as their game of the show for that platform, but then their "Hands on" with the title is less than half a page and doesn't tell you anything.

It's really damn disappointing given the sheer amount of great stuff that was there and playable.
 
I guess it's due to, as some would say, decline of interest in Nintendo?
It's a shame really. I've been looking for more videos myself but I can only find the trailers(@ Gamespot).

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Copied from the Gamespot E3 Awards Thread post by me:

You know what? Why the hell aren't any of these websites showing any footage of this game, if it is so good? Or better yet, what about ANY DS games? All Gamespot and IGN showed were trailers of them. Granted, they are still uploading everything, but if DS was the best console on the show floor as a lot of people said, shouldn't we see any of these games?
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I mean I've run into footage of Sonic Rush, some Castlevania, and a little clip of Viewtiful Joe DS, but not Nintendo's stuff.

BTW, those looking for any Metroid Prime: Hunters gameplay footage that is downloadable should look at Game Informer, as they have good footage of all the characters (sound is hard to hear over the demonstrator).

Of course, if you look at it, most of the THIS-GEN stuff was shunned. It took me a bit to find Sony's PS2 games footage, but Nintendo's are still hiding from me, except Zelda...
 
It sounds like most people were caught with their pants down, DS wise. People probably weren't expecting it to have such a great showing, so they didn't devote enough time to covering it.
 
I think it's quite sad that Ruliweb did better in getting good footage of DS games than the the two main websites in the gaming media.

And what's with all the TV stuff. Ign with G4. Gamespot-Live. GametrailersTV. I mean, it's good that you have interviews, but I just want footage.
 
I totally agree! There is hardly any new Castlevania DS footage. What is up with that? And IGN's writeup about the DS was very very poor.
 
What little I've seen of Mario Bros DS looks fantastic, but I want more!

All major gaming sites dropped the ball this year, and there seems to be no logical explanation as to why.
 
If anything, RuliWeb was the highlight of gaming media for me. :lol But I feel the same way, and I'm surprised nothing has shown up from those minor fansites either, aside from Sonic Rush.

BlueLegs said:
There was that video of the new anime intro and a bit of the game, which is new.

http://www.konami.com/gs/usa/pressroom/trailer_dawnofsorrow.mov
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This is a new one from me, I love it. Even despite the bad anime art, the intro is rather cool and I just love that music, and of course the game looks as awesome as always, especially those lightning effects from some of the soul moves.. Thanks for the link.
 
Now that it's been mentioned, it's absolutely true- everything got overlooked in favor of PS3 and X360 material which was sparse and frankly not very interesting as of yet. There was piles of good PS2 games, some very solid looking GC games, and more than a few PC games that were interesting as well that got kind of brushed aside.

In particular, the DS and the PSP got kind of ignored though and it's a damn shame.
 
So uh, what were you guys expecting? The B-roll is up on the websites (I just went and watched the entire New SMB video on GS). You want, like, videos of people playing through the entire E3 demo? In what bizarro universe does this happen for portable games? You can't capture direct feed from a DS.

Basically you're saying that each individual website should have gone backstage with someone from Nintendo, put all the demos, one by one, into a Nitro capture unit, and then played through each of them?

Are you on crack?
 
Kobun Heat said:
Basically you're saying that each individual website should have gone backstage with someone from Nintendo, put all the demos, one by one, into a Nitro capture unit, and then played through each of them?
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Basically you're saying that each individual website should have gone backstage with someone from Nintendo, put all the demos, one by one, into a Nitro capture unit, and then played through each of them?
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That is a bit extreme, but maybe they could have shown on the floor footage of them. I mean, look at last year's DS footage. Granted, the DS was new, but they still had footage. It's not like they couldn't record footage of the DS playing the game.
 
TheUnknownForce said:
That is a bit extreme, but maybe they could have shown on the floor footage of them. I mean, look at last year's DS footage. Granted, the DS was new, but they still had footage. It's not like they couldn't record footage of the DS playing the game.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, I don't get where you came up with direct feed whines Kobun. The trailers from Nintendo were nice, but we got very little on how some games played, and I'll take anything pretty much, especially with stuff like Viewtiful Joe DS, where the trailer was not at all very informative. Luckily there was some nice footage taken from the floor of it though, but rather it was just a demo showing how to use the split screen system. I haven't seen anything like something from an actual level.

There are other games I'd expect not to see anything of, but was just hoping for, like Phoenix Wright, MMBN, and Trauma Center. I've no problem with that really, but the lack of stuff for certain games left me pretty boggled.
 
If anything, that would be more difficult. Having a crew carry a camera around to all the DS stations and take video of somebody playing the game? That's the sort of thing I could see a small DS fan site doing, but not GameSpot or IGN. The results would look like total shit.
 
Kobun Heat said:
I could see a small DS fan site doing, but not GameSpot or IGN.
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I kind of said that, :P, but that didn't happen either. And I disagree about it looking like shit, the Sonic Rush video of the demo was actually rather nice, as were some of RuliWeb's videos of stuff like Sonic and DBZ. I just want to see how a fucking game plays, is that too much?
 
DarthWufei said:
I kind of said that, :P, but that didn't happen either.
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Well, sure it did. RuliWeb had videos, just like you said.

What you're asking is that instead of just putting up the B-roll footage that publishers prepare in advance and pass out at the show, you want websites to go around to each demo kiosk (and there were a lot of them, mind) and take shitty cam footage, thus spending an inordinate amount of time and manpower (both of which are precious at E3) getting footage that is of lower quality than the stuff they got for free in two seconds from a PR rep.

Yes, that's asking too much.
 
You're really over exaggerating this. I didn't say every, in fact I said I didn't expect that at all. However a few of the major highlights I would expect. I found it surprising we saw stuff from the DBZ, Sonic, and Pac n Roll games rather than any Nintendo games. I think the major titles should have gotten a little more, that's all. And again, stop with the "shitty" comments, that's subjective and I very much would disagree if they turned out to be of similar quality to the ones RuliWeb did, or the Sonic video.

And I'm sorry, in my eyes a few Nintendo games is not too much. I mean bloody hell, we didn't even get DSpeak media, which is an entirely new concept coming to the DS. I realize that the demonstration wasn't the best due to how noisy the area is, but that doesn't mean we couldn't see how it worked.

But anyways, I think you're taking my comments a little too far.

EDIT: Oh forget it, this is rather silly. :lol Let's just go back to rejoicing about the Castlevania trailer.
 
Well, some hands on impressions on any of the games that last more than 3 paragraphs and actually say something about the game itself would be nice. Have you read some of these writeups? "Viewtiful Joe DS is awesome. You can scratch the screen to manipulate the environment and stuff. DS Game of the show! Awesome... DUUUUDDDEEE!"

"Sonic DS is great. There's like, a snake hammerhead thingamerbosser that smashes blocks. You jump out of the way and hit it in the head. Sonic is totally flying and there's some cat thing. It looks like a winner when it ships later this year."

*Skips to PS3 Killzone trailer and finds 3 pages of gushing, waxing poetic, and a detailed play by play of the trailer even though it doesn't show crap and may not be even vaguely reminiscent of the final game...
 
Just wanted to say Wow! The Castlevania DS video is very impressive, it has certainly renewed my interest, beautiful action at it's very best. :)
 
I don't think DarthWufei's request for DS footage is out of line. Would be difficult to do, a complete pain in the ass for the publications? Yep, totally. Would the ends justify the means? Eh, not if you're doing the whole DS line-up, but in the case of hardware like DS, where actual hands-on gameplay usually differs from anything shown in a trailer, it would have been worth it to drag a camera crew to a few highlight games. I really don't think that's too much to ask, honestly, though I understand Kobun's priority hierarchy .
 
I still think the results look like ass, though. In the absence of direct-feed B-roll, I can see where what you suggest might be warranted. But when you've got those trailers already, I don't think it's necessary to get more, worse, footage just so people can see what it's like to rub the stylus on Pac-Man's face.

By the way, was that you standing right next to me for a time at the 1up party?
 
Well, certainly it looks like ass in comparison to high-quality b-roll, but I'm sure there's a happy medium somewhere.

Yeah, I was. You were in our circle of happy with Vestal and Smith, as we got giddy over Red Octane's Guitar hero. I sadly never had a chance to check it out.
 
i really dont understand why we dont get more direct feed video of ds games. I hate the stupid videos NOA puts out that have the whole fucking ds render around two tiny little 80 pixel screens. ALl I need is a full size view of the screen where the action is, thank you very much.

It's really stupid that they all do that....
 
Maybe its becuase DS games look like poo doo in screens and videos?

DS games only impress when played so maybe thats the reason.
 
goomba said:
Maybe its becuase DS games look like poo doo in screens and videos?

DS games only impress when played so maybe thats the reason.
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I dunno, I'm pretty fucking impressed by the Under the Knife, Sonic Rush, and Castlevania trailers.
 
Kobun-
YOu're totally off your rocker and you have no idea what people who keep track of E3 want. I love cam footage from the show floor and I hate broll footage. The broll footage, while direct feed, is sometimes shoddy quality with only bits of gameplay and some lame music tossed over it.

With cam footage you get to view the full demo experience. You get to see how each person navigates through each game. It would have taken less than an hour to collect a shit ton of DS footage from Nitnendo's booth at E3 and the fans would have really enjoyed it. My favorite thing about E32002 was the cam footage of Wind Waker and Metroid Prime.
 
Jacobi said:
IGN hasn't a single floor footage video up. I mean WTF ? I paid for that !
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Seriously, that's not responsible journalism - it's glorified PR work. There is no excuse for media outlets to just pass on the footage handed to them by the company and toss in a slightly reworded press release for appearance's sake.

I'd kill for honest, unmerciful reporting from the gaming press, but then we wouldn't be privy to "exclusives" like a certain magazine's Enter the Matrix feature from a couple years ago...
 
Kobun Heat said:
So uh, what were you guys expecting? The B-roll is up on the websites (I just went and watched the entire New SMB video on GS). You want, like, videos of people playing through the entire E3 demo? In what bizarro universe does this happen for portable games? You can't capture direct feed from a DS.
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It is disappointting that all the momentum of the new-gen handhelds and the handheld war is spent already, and we're back to the "ghetto" of gaming. But that's the way of things, you get a lot less hits and community and lasting cred for doing good coverage of handhelds versus next-gen consoles, and you have to put your editorial budget in the right place.

TheUnknownForce said:
That is a bit extreme, but maybe they could have shown on the floor footage of them. I mean, look at last year's DS footage. Granted, the DS was new, but they still had footage. It's not like they couldn't record footage of the DS playing the game.
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Like I said in another post, remember that at E3 2004, all the systems were up on systems with replicating monitors, and bolted down for easy viewing. This year, publishers were emphasizing play, so most were on retail units or dev boxes, and most were not up on the screen, so it made for much tougher captures (especially when you have to get your hands and ass in the way to play the game.)

It is funny that the majors have gotten so big that they spend all their time doing the official media and the TV stuff. They've gotten too big to go back, but guerrilla game coverage is still one of the best ways to do a show. Rolling in with DV cameras on mounts and scan converters that need to be plugged in, you get the clout to get direct feed, but you also get turned away on games publishers aren't ready for media on yet (not sure how much that was the case with the handhelds.) Meanwhile, a fellow with a Handicam comes in, snaps some footage, posts it in Korea where it can't be touched, and they've got stuff that the biggest gaming sites in the business can't bring us.
 
Wollan said:
I guess it's due to, as some would say, decline of interest in Nintendo?
It's a shame really. I've been looking for more videos myself but I can only find the trailers(@ Gamespot).

OT: OMG, I've been waiting for GAF to activate my account for 6 months now. I've been reading this forum every day and today they activated it. Thanks. :lol
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Haha, you're persistent :D Welcome to GAF.
 
I recorded the entirety of all three New Mario bros' demo levels.

They'll be a feature on our dvd this year, so if you want them, buy them ;)
 
olimario said:
With cam footage you get to view the full demo experience. You get to see how each person navigates through each game.
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I agree. Check out my Zelda: Twilight Princess impressions for tons of glorious shakey cam footage. I have more stuff I've yet to upload, including some Mario Kart DS, Nanostray, and Castlevania stuff if you're looking for DS footage.
 
GDGF said:
It sounds like most people were caught with their pants down, DS wise. People probably weren't expecting it to have such a great showing, so they didn't devote enough time to covering it.
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Well it seems like multiplatform sites would have had some time spare after covering PSP, they could have used that....
 
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