Who is the bigger asshole?

Who is the bigger asshole?

  • Mark

    Votes: 8 15.1%

  • Harry

    Votes: 45 84.9%
  • Total voters
    53
Harry is an inconsiderate asshole for creating a shitty situation his friends have to deal with.

Mark is a bitch that slinks out the back door to abandon his "friend" so he doesn't get in trouble.

Harry gets the asshole vote but fuck Mark.
 
Who's finger was in who's asshole in this orgy? That's the real shitty person.

Obviously the person inviting people over to an airbnb without consulting others who paid to be there is the dick head. It's not even rocket science or common courtesy it's just basic human decency to not invite others to the place at 1AM when people are asleep. I would never hang out with a cunt like that.
 
Harry cheated on his wife. He got busted and is blaming the rest of "you". Mark wanted to but backed out and got pissed he was "tempted".

Your friend group is toast...hope the golf was worth it (its isn't...golf is a soul destroyer).
 
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Harry definitely was involved with the other degenerates. That's why he can't hang out with you anymore.
 
Yeah, I'm sorry. But based on what you said Mark did absolutely nothing wrong. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his situation. We've established that he is a deeply Christian man who clearly has a deep love and respect for his wife. The alternative is that he stayed the night and has to grapple with the moral dilemma of either 1) knowing he did nothing wrong but hiding what happened from his wife, and 2) telling his wife what happened and worrying that she won't believe him. Going home immediately and telling her why was the only option. A real friend would NOT put a guy like that in this type of situation. Fuck Harry. Let him figure out how to deal with the repercussions of his actions himself.

Mark kicks ass. I'll be his friend instead.
 
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Harry does stupid things but Mark does not have your back.

On the face of it I initially thought that Harry was the asshole because I would hate it if a friend brought random people back to where I was staying, especially knowing I'd already gone to bed. That is 100% a shitty thing to do.

But Mark, fully sober, abandoned his drunk friend with strangers who were sober enough to drive themselves and possibly thought they'd spotted an easily exploitable situation.

Mark fleeing the situation because he's scared of what his wife might think is a ridiculously low bar for friendship. If the chips are down, don't rely on Mark if someone lit a cigarette or if a nearby shop has a copy of Playboy for sale, because he's driving (quite close to the speed limit) to say ten Hail Marys beside his bed.

The stuff about the couple having sex isn't really relevant nor is it Harry's fault, assuming he didn't know they were planning a performance. It's still Mark running out on friends when things go a little sideways. This isn't the same as him saying "sorry guys, I can't go to a strip club." That's totally fine and his prerogative. This is, as I said, things going sideways and him fleeing the scene and leaving his possibly vulnerable friends in the lurch.

Mark is the asshole.

The shooter on the grassy knoll here might be the second woman, however.
 
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#1 rule of a happy and fulfilling marriage: GTFO when anyone does anything that can call your integrity or faithfulness into question.

Wife and Kids always first, I'd never do anything to jeopardize that. Screw Harry, he can get an Uber. Let him deal with his own mistakes.
 
a: you dont bring strangers back to a share accommodation, especially when fucking drunk
b: no one fucking sane starts having sex in a strange house in front of people they just met
c: you dont leave a friend behind with no way of getting home just cause your fucking fweelings got hurt, suck it up and tell him you are leaving first thing hes welcome to join
d: you are all adults, chuck this one up to far too much drink and shit happens, get over it

i can only imagine the sleggin i would get if i had to tell my mates i cant see youse, i have too "work on myself" lol
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Harry does stupid things but Mark does not have your back.

On the face of it I initially thought that Harry was the asshole because I would hate it if a friend brought random people back to where I was staying, especially knowing I'd already gone to bed. That is 100% a shitty thing to do.

But Mark, fully sober, abandoned his drunk friend with strangers who were sober enough to drive themselves and possibly thought they'd spotted an easily exploitable situation.

Mark fleeing the situation because he's scared of what his wife might think is a ridiculously low bar for friendship. If the chips are down, don't rely on Mark if someone lit a cigarette or if a nearby shop has a copy of Playboy for sale, because he's driving (quite close to the speed limit) to say ten Hail Marys beside his bed.

The stuff about the couple having sex isn't really relevant nor is it Harry's fault, assuming he didn't know they were planning a performance. It's still Mark running out on friends when things go a little sideways. This isn't the same as him saying "sorry guys, I can't go to a strip club." That's totally fine and his prerogative. This is, as I said, things going sideways and him fleeing the scene and leaving his possibly vulnerable friends in the lurch.

Mark is the asshole.

The shooter on the grassy knoll here might be the second woman, however.
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It was Mark who identified a second woman, correct?

Sober Mark.... Christian Mark... Mark, who is so moraly sound he leaves his friends in the mud, if that Mark says there is a second woman, god dammit I belive him. And that leads me to Occam's Razor theory of Harry was porkin' the second woman.

OP, you need to question Mark about the second woman and what it was that made him SO uncomfortable that he left Harry. I think we already know the answer; all 4 were fucking each other in that room.
 
Was Harry still drunk the next day? Not only did he create the situation, but he was given a free out when offered another ride. But he declined that ride in favor of renting a car that would require explaining why he needed it to his wife. Special Olympics
 
El_Presidente said:
It was Mark who identified a second woman, correct?

Sober Mark.... Christian Mark... Mark, who is so moraly sound he leaves his friends in the mud, if that Mark says there is a second woman, god dammit I belive him. And that leads me to Occam's Razor theory of Harry was porkin' the second woman
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Let's take a step back here. Who likes to let their hair down a little when on a rare weekend away from the wife/parish council? Mark. Good ol' Mark. Loves a drink with the guys. Said he wasn't sure about the golf trip this time around. Why? He's barely seen the guys recently.

He ends up going along, after his wife persuades him he's done enough rosaries this week. He used to go for business meetings near there. Knew it well, it's not that big a drive. "Treat yourself. Have a little sweet with the savoury."

Mark's having a great time with the boys. Hit a couple of holes under par, some of the best playing of his life. He's in great shape. Then they say they want to go to the bar. All of a sudden Mark's tired. "My shoulder's a little pulled out of sorts" "you can lift the bottle with your other hand!" "No, I think I need to sleep it off"

How come?

The answer my friends is that Mark, good guy Mark, never swears, sleeps with a bible pressed to his heart, that guy, he deals in dentist supplies, right? Where in that town is there ever a conference for the NADS (national association of dental suppliers)? Never.

You know what there is though? The biggest legal brothel in the state.

Turns out though Mark would never break the law, he stayed within the law a lot. A weekend long conference, sales meeting there, team builder, annual expo. That's what he said anyway.


What if Mark decided to lay low at the Airbnb once he heard where the bar was. Once he knew he might see her one more time.

What if she was still missing him, the client who became the man she'd never charge? "Is this love?" she'd said to other girls at work. She didn't know what love felt like. But this is what she thought it might be.

But that was a while ago. And she still had rent to pay. So, when she headed out to party and met someone who said there was good money in putting on a show for some strangers, out of towners with money to spend, she agreed - for a big score.

She never saw Mark later that night. But what if he walked in and saw her? Like a bolt of lightning to his heart, the woman he'd tried to forget was right in front of him (she was turned away but he'd recognise that tattoo anywhere).

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen of the jury is why Mark fled the scene, a clear cut case of infidelity, unresolved feelings and a man riddled with Catholic guilt.

Good guy Mark. Father to 11 children by 8 different women.

You want answers? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
 
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Harry is the obvious asshole in this context BUT Mark should really do something about his repressed homosexual urges, twenty years of trying to pray the gay away is more than enough
 
BlackTron said:
Was Harry still drunk the next day? Not only did he create the situation, but he was given a free out when offered another ride. But he declined that ride in favor of renting a car that would require explaining why he needed it to his wife. Special Olympics
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My only guess is that Harry thought Mark was either going to tell Harry's wife, or that Mark's wife would tell Harry's wife. I wouldn't have thought either situation likely, but then again I would have never thought Mark would leave Harry stranded 3 hours away.

Mark seems unwilling to discuss it more, he says the matter's done and he's over it. Harry has dropped all contact with us, and I doubt he would ever acknowledge the second woman anyway if pressed, as I probably got the version of the story that he told his wife. Anyway, the friend group is moving on, but a man down.

RIP Harry, you flew too close to the sun.
 
I'd be wary of putting myself in a position to rely on Mark. He definitely wasn't Harry's friend even before the fallout.

Unless the whole "friend" thing is being used loosely.
 
Shifty1897 said:
I am the de-facto leader of a friend group
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lmao what

im a big deal GIF
 
People are getting hung up on the de facto leader thing, it's not some weird brag. They were all my friends first, I brought them together. I only added it to explain why I was called by Harry when Mark disappeared despite living several hours away and why both parties are talking to me about it.
 
I don't know who's right or wrong in this, but I do know I'm calling Shifty1897 Shifty1897 next time I need someone to organize an outing with the boys 🍻
 
Harry is an Idiot and dumbass. But we al have friends like a Harry. Gets into trouble and mixes things up. You already knew these shenanigans were already possible. And in knowing that strict ground rules over the Airbnb should have been forced and followed.

The asshole is Mark. Who ran off and left. Rather than come out like an adult and put his foot down, or at least tell Harry he was leaving. No room for that for true brotherhood/friendship.

I'm married and faithful. If this happened to me I'd call my wife and we would laugh about it. I'd then tell those fucks to stop fucking and get the hell out. I'd then proceed to lecture and give everyone hell about it. I would not cower off into the night and run off to my wife like a little punk.
 
I would think Harry is the asshole, but my question to everyone who drinks…is this seriously what happens when people get drunk?
 
Now I'm just thinking of scenarios in which Mark gets scared and sneaks out the back door in the middle of the night,

Didn't say grace at dinner? Mark bolts.
Someone says "god damn". Outta here!

Mark is a good boy.
 
Who ruins the boys weekend by inviting guests into the house. That's just asking for problems. Here's a couple hot drunk chicks even though we are married. A good friend wouldn't put you in that situation. That's just asking for it.
 
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