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Who Really Invented Heavy Metal?

So you jump like if I hurt someone in your family, and I'm the baby here? lmao



Well if you are curious, when I talk about "music", I talk about things like


Tastes aside, the musical complexity of this is 9999999999x the complexity of rock or heavy metal.
It's not even comparable.

Once your brain gets used to feel this kind of music, you just realize how empty other things are.

Or in other words, the more you educated you get in something, the more you realize how wrong you were before.


A classical elitist! Cute. Try something else. This is a pure borefest. Classical music can be way more intense and varied (hey, us metal folks are into classical, didn't you know?). Metal is classical's younger and angrier brother. You guys are as cute as the jazz elitists. I'll give you that.

LIsten to anything by Krisiun and tell me they aren't complex. Also, listen to anything by Per Nilsson (Scar Symmetry's guitarist) and tell me it what he plays ain't complex. LMFAO. I've been playing guitar since 1991 and I know what's complex music and what's not.

Also... does it seriously need to be complex to be good? Some of the best songs ever are pretty simple.
 
Sabbath, bloody Sabbath, of course.

Who cares who created it. What I care about is why are we letting it die?

Alter Bridge are doing a good job. Tremonti (solo project) is heavier. I don't keep up with heavy fucking metal metal, nor read Kerrang!, but Alter Bridge are carrying the torch, at least for me. QOTSA are still alive too?
 
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Ok I made a mistake, shouldnt have post that, I'm not in the mood for intense debates right now. Have peace and love < 3

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Sabbath, bloody Sabbath, of course.



Alter Bridge are doing a good job. Tremonti (solo project) is heavier. I don't keep up with heavy fucking metal metal, nor read Kerrang!, but Alter Bridge are carrying the torch, at least for me. QOTSA are still alive too?

Alter Bridge is a great hard rock band. Like you said, not the most metal band, but they are awesome and they have great songs. Myles is a terrific singer.
 
Also... does it seriously need to be complex to be good? Some of the best songs ever are pretty simple.
Of course not.
I love things a lot less complex than classical music. I just posted the video to show what 'knowledge of music' means to me.

And for the record, I didnt want to insult anyone with my opinion, I just expressed it with no bad intentions.
 
Of course not.
I love things a lot less complex than classical music. I just posted the video to show what 'knowledge of music' means to me.

And for the record, I didnt want to insult anyone with my opinion, I just expressed it with no bad intentions.

It's all good!
 
Who cares, metal died years ago. All this modern yodel crap is weak ass sauce. Do we have a modern Sepultura of the 80s and 90s? Or Slayer ... nah, all girly-boys wearing stilettos who can´t write, sing or act nor play for shit. Now we have fugliest mumble rappers ... ; We peaked as a RACE around the mid 90´s ... all downhill since then, ask New York.

MUSIC was good til 2000
MOVIES were good til 2000
GAMES were good til 2000


DAMN YOU Y2K virus!! Also Eminem is to Rap what Brittney Spears was to Pop.
 
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Birmingham and the Black Country (look it up) did, when all you hear growing up is the clang of blacksmiths and foundries bashing away all day it's hard not to be influenced by it, whether it's music, art or writing.
Iommi, Butler, Ozzie, Ward, Bonham and Plant all grew up around those parts.
 
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Who cares, metal died years ago. All this modern yodel crap is weak ass sauce. Do we have a modern Sepultura of the 80s and 90s? Or Slayer ... nah, all girly-boys wearing stilettos who can´t write, sing or act nor play for shit. Now we have fugliest mumble rappers ... ; We peaked as a RACE around the mid 90´s ... all downhill since then, ask New York.

MUSIC was good til 2000
MOVIES were good til 2000
GAMES were good til 2000


DAMN YOU Y2K virus!! Also Eminem is to Rap what Brittney Spears was to Pop.
Dude, still lots of kick ass metal being made right now. Testament, exodus, Annihilator, Judas Priest, lamb of god, Behemoth, Anthrax etc All putting out steller metal albums.
 
Dude, still lots of kick ass metal being made right now. Testament, exodus, Annihilator, Judas Priest, lamb of god, Behemoth, Anthrax etc All putting out steller metal albums.

And so did Brutal Truth til 2014? All i see is, once kwel now "c´mon, look at Ozzy Osburne, ya dont wanna look like him, rite?"
 
Who cares, metal died years ago. All this modern yodel crap is weak ass sauce. Do we have a modern Sepultura of the 80s and 90s? Or Slayer ... nah, all girly-boys wearing stilettos who can´t write, sing or act nor play for shit. Now we have fugliest mumble rappers ... ; We peaked as a RACE around the mid 90´s ... all downhill since then, ask New York.

MUSIC was good til 2000
MOVIES were good til 2000
GAMES were good til 2000


DAMN YOU Y2K virus!! Also Eminem is to Rap what Brittney Spears was to Pop.

Music, movies and games... there are good and bad stuff in all eras. Bad music/movies/games were bad before the 2000's as well.

Specifically talking about gaming... I don't mean to hijack the thread, as I'm very critical of gaming trends lately (excess of DLC's, games not being complete, etc) but there are still lots of good games around.
 
Is it dying? It seems pretty big still to me.

Depends on your perception and who you ask. Look, I agree that there is plenty of great metal out there. Maybe I should rephrase that I wish it was more pop culture. We still can't let go the metal songs of that era. Yet today, none of that is in the mainstream, and we have a mainstream that will be largely forgotten. It's just sad really.
 
Of course not.
I love things a lot less complex than classical music. I just posted the video to show what 'knowledge of music' means to me.

And for the record, I didnt want to insult anyone with my opinion, I just expressed it with no bad intentions.
👌 it's cool bro I was just joking
 
Dude, still lots of kick ass metal being made right now. Testament, exodus, Annihilator, Judas Priest, lamb of god, Behemoth, Anthrax etc All putting out steller metal albums.
I mostly listen to new bands anyway. Imo music is better than it has ever been because the breath of bands to choose from is stupid crazy. You are bound to find some real gems
 
I mostly listen to new bands anyway. Imo music is better than it has ever been because the breath of bands to choose from is stupid crazy. You are bound to find some real gems
Yup been listening to metal for 35 years and still finding killer albums. Old bands and new. Anybody that says it's dead has not dug deep enough. Not talking about shit metal like five finger death punch either.
 
Mind Garage did some heavy stuff early.



That song was released in 1968.
The band is Christian too so anyone who says rock and metal are Devil's music are objectively wrong :messenger_halo::messenger_smiling_horns::messenger_halo::messenger_smiling_horns:
 
I still consider it Black Sabbath.

That said, if Sabbath's first album is "heavy metal", I think Dazed and Confused is pretty heavy metal and that came out the year before:


Tbh I think Achilles Last Stand is much more of a heavy metal song from them.

A guy that likes classical that has no idea the metal has close ties with classical music.


And these untalented hacks that play the entire orchestra on a pair of guitars

And the list goes on forever.

take a seat, son.

Bell thinks you have to like either or...
You can't make a post about classical influences in metal and not include Yngwie Malmsteen!
Anyway the other guy is a dumbass, "hurr durr I like classical music, I'm so above you". I played in orchestras half my life, doesn't mean I can't enjoy metal lol.
 
William Burroughs, Dick Dale, Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream, Blue Cheer, Jim Marshall, Steppenwolf, The Beatles "I want you/She's So Heavy", "Helter Skelter" and "Hey Bulldog".
Think that covers it.
 
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William Burroughs, Dick Dale, Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream, Blue Cheer, Jim Marshall, Steppenwolf, The Beatles "I want you/She's So Heavy", "Helter Skelter" and "Hey Bulldog".
Think that covers it.


Pretty much this list.

I'd like to toss in this track from Genesis in 1973. It's prog, but there's some of the earliest hip-hop sound I've run across and a rather metal guitar riff that follows a bit after. Really interesting song.

 
Of course not.
I love things a lot less complex than classical music. I just posted the video to show what 'knowledge of music' means to me.

And for the record, I didnt want to insult anyone with my opinion, I just expressed it with no bad intentions.

Absolutely fuck all, it would seem.
 
Also props to the Achilles Last Stand stans, as a wannabe drummer Bonham is hnnggg

 
Gustav Host invented it at the advent of WWI.



I had a class in college where for whatever reason we had to watch this composition at a theater....this girl in class got talking to me and needed a ride, and I was like hell yeah I got a ride.

During the performance she remarked it sounded like Mario 3.

My advice: get that girl some sushi and gin and see what happens.
 
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