Why You (Probably) Won't See Iko Uwais in Hollywood Movies Anymore

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How it started
  • Author brings up the upbringing of Iko and his father who trained in Silat
  • He states Iko and Gareth Evans met
  • Iko was a driver with great martial arts skills
  • Gareth begged him to quit his job to give his film a chance
  • Iko did so after 2 years and wanted to show the world Indonesian martial arts
  • He had to train in a second form of his martial arts and acting before filming their first project
  • First film from them was Merantau
  • Initially it had trouble finding an audience due to bad timing
  • It struck big enough afterwards for them to attempt a second movie (The Raid: Redemption)
  • The Raid was such a huge hit that they had more budget for the sequel.
  • The Raid 1 and (moreso) 2 grabbed the attention of multiple Hollywood studios and they hired Iko for different roles.
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This is where the hollywood problems started happening

  • Author points out how Hollywood still did not know how to utilize asian actors properly after the 2000s
  • Iko was given multiple roles with barely any screen time or speaking lines
  • Iko kept being given villain roles
  • Given barely any lines in Snake Eyes
  • Had only one small fight in Expendables 4
  • Multiple movies with shaky cam effects, quick cuts, CGI, etc. making fans upset when they paid to see Iko perform martial arts
  • Iko and The Raid cast were given wasted screen time in Star Wars 7 and had scenes cut
  • Iko coreographed multiple lightsaber fights in Star Wars 7 that were considered 'too brutal and gritty' for the property
  • Iko felt highly confused in an interview not long ago where he questioned why Hollywood studios don't seem to know what to do with his talents.
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This is where the video author brings up how this has happened before

  • Author brings up how this mostly happened to Jet Li a decade prior in the 2000s, but thankfully a few directors utilized his talents properly
  • Author brings up how this almost happened to Jackie Chan
  • Author brings up how this happened to Tony Jaa
  • Jackie Chan's first time with hollywood, he could tell that they were trying to use him to replace Bruce Lee with more serious filmmaking and combat
  • Jackie had to reshoot almost the entirety of Police Story
  • Both Jackie and Jet Li had to keep some of their projects closer to home due to hollywood interference
  • Jackie did it until he was able to call the shots or co-direct, thus we got Rumble in the Bronx, Rush Hour, etc.
  • Even Bruce Lee was not immune to this and it took hollywood a while until they finally gave him a shot at filming his martial arts talent
  • Donnie Yen succeeded a bit better with serious roles thanks to Jet Li's impact
  • Donnie Yen would use his foreign films as a way to bolster his asking power when it came to hollywood
  • Donnie Yen would say no to a lot of 'asks' and projects until him and the hollywood studio/director reached agreements about certain projects
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To conclude, a promising future is coming for martial arts cinema
  • Author brings up how hollywood constantly fails asian martial arts actors over the years because of their style of 'hiding' the stunt rather than showcasing it
  • Most hollywood studios don't know how to tell stories through action like asian cinema.
  • Iko today does much better in Indonesian films (Headshot, The Night Comes for Us, Fistful of Vengeance)
  • Iko has decided to mostly go back to "build his own base" much like Jackie Chan did but is still open to hollywood projects
  • He is inspiring a younger martial artist movement
  • Iko started co-producing, becoming lead coreographer for multiple projects, co-directing, and even trains newcomers as a martial arts instructor for silat
  • Iko is now directing a movie "Timur" under his new production studio "Uwais Pictures" coming soon
  • Uwais Pictures is going to bring more Indonesian action cinema to the forefront this next decade
  • Indonesian action directors to look out for who both worked with Iko: Timo Tjahjanto and Joko Anwar
 
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Lol I said that mainly because of the speaker's original talking speed being a bit slower than others who do this 'video essay/documentary video' style. 1.10 matches the others.

I did find this to be a good watch though for any fans of martial arts cinema, and it's good to see Iko not just let hollywood put him through the ringer and incidentally kill his career as they tend to stumble a ton when it comes to martial arts actors.
 
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Timo is now doing Hollywood movies. He did Nobody 2 and is now working on Beekeeper 2. I hope he finds some time to do a Shadow Strays sequel.
 
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Fantastic video. Gonna watch his new Indonesian movies.

Fucking shame what Hollywood did to him. Zero vision.

Yea lets hire the guy who stars in the best martial arts films of all time and film it terribly, give him no lines and have him as a cameo. also.. remove his fight scene in star wars. too violent.

jesus
 
Hollywood is complete garbage these days anyway. Nobody I know goes to the movies anymore.
I'll give you the same advice I give my friends about this matter: In today's world it's better to follow the creatives that you really enjoy the content of. Whether it's directors, actors, writers, etc.

Sometimes on their imdb they will have a new project or two that Hollywood does not put their marketing weight behind. Sometimes these films will even release in theaters but you don't hear about them. There will be big directors who sometimes film a pretty good indie film, or an actor who decides to do some indie films to show their true acting power and they do a great job.

It's worth looking into.

Part of the reason why some larger Hollywood studios have become increasingly scared to fund and market these smaller/other projects is because people aren't going to see them like they used to. Instead the public are usually sticking to big brands, popular/trending I.P., sequels, remakes, etc. so hollywood keeps feeding the public exactly that.

Edit: Or better yet, if you are still cautious about theaters, look into your favorite critic's top 10 for the year. Assuming they aren't a grifter/only make hate-content, they should have their own personal yearly top 5 or top 10 lists of movie suggestions worth checking out. Try them out for yourself and then if you're really liking any of them, follow the creators behind them.
 
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To be fair, i much prefer his non-Hollywood work over anything he did. Dude's amazing as an artist, same with Scott Adkins. They continue that 90s Action Hero trope i so love and which modern cinema practically has forgotten.

I am looking forward to a new Uwais flick. Bring Adkins along with it :P
 
To be fair, i much prefer his non-Hollywood work over anything he did. Dude's amazing as an artist, same with Scott Adkins. They continue that 90s Action Hero trope i so love and which modern cinema practically has forgotten.

I am looking forward to a new Uwais flick. Bring Adkins along with it :P
There are some really good low(er) budget action films out there now with Scott, Michael Jai White, and others. Fight choreography has made some quantum jumps in the past few years, much like the gun choreography jump a decade or so back when prop tech/CG allowed for close face shots and a decade prior to that when military style gun skills really penetrated hollywood.
 
I still don't understand why there's a Japanese calligraphy club roleplaying as Riddick in Star Wars.

Anyway Hollywood knows how to use Asians just as much as Asian cinema knows how to use Westerners. It's an awkward clash of cultures. When they find a balance you get The Matrix or Ray Stevenson in RRR but we shouldn't expect that to be the norm.
 
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