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Will hardware reliability plague PS3 as well?

Just going by history of Sony hardware. PS1 was obviously the worse. PS2 wasn't as bad, but the DVD drive would still notoriously give up on many people after a while.

Is there any incentive for Sony to make things better with the PS3 or is it business as usual?
 
Well, PS2 hardware rarely "failed" physically. The design was poor and functionality was damaged by both dust or (more commonly) voltage screws coming loose and preventing the lens from reading discs (or, at least, adjustment of those screws would solve the problem). Both problems would be fixed easily with no additional hardware, but that is not feasible for most people.

The PSX hardware would physically go bad, however.
 
Guess we will just have to wait and see. :D

dark10x said:
Well, PS2 hardware rarely "failed" physically. The design was poor and functionality was damaged by both dust or (more commonly) voltage screws coming loose and preventing the lens from reading discs. Both problems would be fixed easily with no additional hardware, but that is not feasible for most people.

Dude, you're totally splitting hairs here. If the hardware fails to function properly after normal use and in normal conditions - it's a failure. Ask any engineer.
 
ps1 failures were caused by a warping disc spindle. ps2 failures are caused by a laser lens that changes focus for cds and dvds (new at the time pf ps2s release). i guess the likelihood of ps3 failures depends on whether they screw up the blu-ray drive.
 
I never had any problem with either the PSOne or PS2. I got a PSX in 1998 and it's still functional today (even with a mod-chip modification). Same with the PS2, I got that in December 2001 and it's still kicking today.

I don't understand why so many PS2 just break? Maybe you guys leave it in dusty areas or something?
 
There's no way we can determine such a thing at this point, there are too many factors to be considered. Including the new type of optical drive they'll be using.

Most of the errors that plagued their past hardware had to do with the optical drive anyway.

but given how much it's expected to cost, I hope they use a little care when manufacturing. :p
 
Kinda early for these kind of threads don't you think?

I think history will repeat itself and alot of ps3's will have defects. PSP is another fine example.
 
Its hard to test how a product will do after thousands of hours of use. You just hope your design is good enough that it will still work. You also learn from your mistakes and hope to prevent them in future revisions/products.


Skin said:
Kinda early for these kind of threads don't you think?

I think history will repeat itself and alot of ps3's will have defects. PSP is another fine example.

PSP is a fine example of a good launch and reliablility. LCD technology is prone to problems, however the systems still played games.

Sony sold twice as many systems then anyone else, yet there seems to be just as many xboxes having problems then PS2s in the long run. I bet the PS2 has a lesser percentage of defect rate then the Xbox. Nintendo on the other hand...
 
dark10x said:
voltage screws coming loose and preventing the lens from reading discs (or, at least, adjustment of those screws would solve the problem). Both problems would be fixed easily with no additional hardware, but that is not feasible for most people.

How difficult is adjustment of the voltage screws? Got a link to a tutorial on it?
 
As market leader, did Sony really suffer from its consoles malfunctioning? I guess it's a drain on ressources when they do during the (short) warranty, but what about when they do after warranty? Did a majority of those owners simply buy a new PS(2) with no ill feelings?
 
Ive never had issues with any of my Sony equipment. I keep my equipment on a shelf and keep it dust free like any other peice of equipment.

Im not saying that some of you abused your equipment but I do feel that people do not treat their consoles like they would an audio receiver for example. I think that people view a console as a toy because of its functionality when its really needs to be treated just a delicately as any other video/audio equipment. I think this holds true moreso with the increasing technology that is inside of these boxes.
 
Mobius_1 said:
I never had any problem with either the PSOne or PS2. I got a PSX in 1998 and it's still functional today (even with a mod-chip modification). Same with the PS2, I got that in December 2001 and it's still kicking today.

Same for me, I've had more problems with xbox hardware.
 
I saw the Gamestop new system returns spec once and PS2 had far and away the worst problems, but they have the most systems out there too. That said, I don't think they would have started fixing them for free if there wasn't a genuine problem with early launch units.

The GC is really nicely manufactured. Not only is it pretty durable to knocks and such, but it puts out less heat (a major killer) than the Xbox but has more efficient heat dispersal.
 
dark10x said:
I thought it was pretty simple...

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/ps2_disc_read_error.txt

I've done this countless times for various people and it always works. Right away, you'll notice that discs will begin to bootup as quickly as they originally were intended to.

Eh, don't mean to threadjack or anything but is there a guide like this for the slimline PS2s? I have a Japanese one that refuses to read CDs, even though it reads DVD movies and games just fine.
 
I've been surprised by how well my PSP holds up. Very durable even. I can't call it with the hardware of the consoles though.
 
This complaint is hollow. What's the failure rate on the PS1? The PS2? You can't quantify this, it's simply based on the number of complaints people read online or hear in person. Consider the actual number though. These people are vocal b/c they have had a loss. I lost my PS2, thus I complain. But there are over 90M PS2s sold. If there was a considerable failure rate, you would have tens of millions of PS2s broken. You're talking about 10% failure means as many broken PS2s as total DCs sold. This simply cannot be the case.

I'd bet dollars to donuts the PS line is perfectly in line with every other piece of electronics you can buy. The reason so many complain is the sheer volume that have been sold, and thus you hear a vocal group who complain. How about everyone who's never had a PS break on them start making regular posts about it? It would be a flood. The same with the Xbox. There are HDD and DVD complaints all the time. Is that representative of an epidemic? No. Just that you're more likely to make a post about your system breaking than you are to proclaim to the world that it still works. And it goes on through history. With the exception of the SNES, the top selling system has always had the most failure complaints. Yet there's never an issue with the BBB or any other consumer rights agency. No class-action suits involved. I've had my 2600 break, my NES break, my PS break and my PS2 break. With so many sold, probabilty says something's gotta give. But the number is almost certainly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

So yes, the PS3 will have the same reliability problems the PS1 and PS2 had...none. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
I've had my 2600 break, my NES break, my PS break and my PS2 break.

What the hell are you doing with your consoles? Using them to crack walnuts? :lol Anyway, I ain't too worried about the ps3. I've never had a problem with any of my consoles, except for maybe my colecovision. That was mainly cause when I used it, I just put it on the carpet (very very bad for consoles).
 
The xbox was a piece of junk. Mine died 2 months after i bought it and that was an early batch. It wouldn't read certain games properly and i'd constantly get DRE. I exchanged it for a second one which lasted longer. I started getting DREs eventually too but I then just modded it and dumped my games on the HDD and played from there with no probs. Still, I shouldn't have to resort to that.

My PS2 broke as well though that was my fault. It slipped and fell but it did work. After a couple of weeks, DREs started happening and the drive died. I'm fairly sure it was related to the fall though.

My Gamecube is still in working order. I've had the black one at launch which i later traded in for a platinum one. Didn't have any problems with the black one but with the platinum one, I do have certain games freeze on me from time to time.

DS works like a charm. No scratches, had it since launch.

No PSP until price drop and standard pack is out.


Edit: Past consoles:

Dreamcast: Flawless.

N64/SNES: Flawless.

Anything in the GB line: Flawless.

PSX: Flawless, still works

NES: The classic black and grey flash which requires blowing in the cart and nudging it a bit.

NES Top Loader: Flawless.
 
Instigator said:
Just going by history of Sony hardware. PS1 was obviously the worse. PS2 wasn't as bad, but the DVD drive would still notoriously give up on many people after a while.

Is there any incentive for Sony to make things better with the PS3 or is it business as usual?

Hopefully they won't be using Thompson drives this time...Oh wait!
 
the PSP has taught me something

if Sony are going to make a fairly open system, they'll no doubt fuck up something in the security at the start.

Launch day it is! ;)
 
Buying consoles at launch is for suckers in my opinion - expensive, unreliable, and usually only a few rushed games. There are so many good games I haven't played that I can easily wait a year or two.
 
Buying consoles at launch is for suckers in my opinion

so is buying a 2.0 equiped PSP - so neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Anyways, this negates the sucker part :

cashman.gif
 
DCharlie said:
the PSP has taught me something

if Sony are going to make a fairly open system, they'll no doubt fuck up something in the security at the start.

Launch day it is! ;)

Agreed, the original ps2 batch also let you bypass the DVD movie territorial lockout by pressing if I recall correctly up on the D pad.
 
DCharlie said:
the PSP has taught me something

if Sony are going to make a fairly open system, they'll no doubt fuck up something in the security at the start.

Launch day it is! ;)
This man speaks the truth. Get in on the original firmware if you care about security hole exploits. PEACE.
 
After my luck with PS1 and PS2 I'm not even touching the PS3 for several years into the generation to see how it seems to hold up. Sony you are dead to me...For now.
 
yeah my launch day (november 26th) ps2 started the no disc read error a couple of days after its one year and i e-mailed sony several times blasting them because i took excellent care of my ps2. Then i started roaming the net for any info and too my surprise forums and websites of all kind started popping up about the very same issues with the launch systems. I sent the links to sony and they said they had no clue what i was talking about.
So anyways i followed the tutorial on one of the sites (that i sent to sony) and took apart my ps2 bevause i didnt feel like paying a 250$ flat fee and shipping. I ended up cleaning the laser with a cutip and alcohol. I then turned the white wheel so that the laser is as close as possible to the disc. Put it all back together and voila has been working since. Though i must say that when i first boot up the ps2, it has a bit of trouble. It doesnt go straight to the game, it goes first to the system then i hear a knock or two and then it loads up the game. It also likes to put a scratch or two on my discs but nothing severe. Other than that its ok.

In my opinion, sony had a defect on its hands and it has denied it. Thanx for leaving us hanging sony.
 
On my 3rd xbox. Still on my first PS2. So I'm not seeing a reliability problem myself. But nintendo now that's reliablity.
 
My PS2 is still working fine, but makes weird noises whenever the CD tray comes in/out. And it scratched one game (the first one, but after cleaning the tray, it doesn't seem like this has affected any other DVDs/Games). My N64 is still kicking (since 97!!).

To think i sold my SNES (along with FF IV(II here) and VI(III here), mint condition too, along with the rest of my SNES collection) to buy a Playstation. :\
 
Never had any probs with PSX hardware, but the A/V cable started giving me issues for some reason. PS2...it can't play a lot of DVD movies...which is pretty lame.

My impression is that people had fewer probs from the PS2 than the PSX, so I'd say they've already "learned their lesson" and have corrected things.

I think everything will be a-ok.
 
After launch how soon did Sony release PS1/PS2 hardware revisions? I'll pick up my PS3 then :D

EDIT: also, were these revisions to fix engineering flaws or to reduce manufacturing costs?
 
"Put it all back together and voila has been working since. Though i must say that when i first boot up the ps2, it has a bit of trouble. It doesnt go straight to the game, it goes first to the system then i hear a knock or two and then it loads up the game. It also likes to put a scratch or two on my discs but nothing severe. Other than that its ok."
all my PSP disks are scratched to fuck (i mean, the protective casing)

i have no idea what is going on once they go into the machine, but hot damn...

the casing on both Ridge and Wipeout is now loose too ! :( :( :(

thank god for fastloader.
 
I just took my PS1 discs out of storage and found the instruction books had melted onto the top layer. Otherwise they're undamaged and not water-logged. Was it the heat?

EDIT: my local Gamecrazy associate says yes
 
In my experience PS2s and Xboxes have about the same failure rate. Though I have good luck fixing PS2s and zero luck with Xboxes. So I'd say PS2s fail more often, but usually just need a cleaning. Only had a couple bad Gamecubes. One I fixed by just taking it apart and putting it back together again.

I'm a miracle worker!

I'd actually recommend getting an extended warrenty if anyone is going to pick up a Xbox 360, or PS3 launch unit, and I HATE extended warrenties.

Just to be safe.

^_~
 
My PS1 had the usual heat problems so I had to flip it upside-down. My PS2 started scratching discs first, then stopped reading movies. I opened it up to adjust the laser, and it worked for 6 months more or so with intermittent problems, then failed completely. But the PS2 was actually abused. Brawled, dropped and smoked the fuck up. So I kinda take responsibility for that one. PEACE.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Dude, you're totally splitting hairs here. If the hardware fails to function properly after normal use and in normal conditions - it's a failure. Ask any engineer.

Ummm ... HW failure involves the need for physical replacement since the part/parts in question is/are effectively un-fixable.

HW that can be fixed without replacement, but through maintenance is not failed. Ever heard of calibration?

You are obviously did not ask any engineers.
 
Onix said:
You are obviously did not ask any engineers.


You are obviously did not consult any linguists. Besides, I question the fiscal validity of having a $150 item professionally calibrated.
 
Onix said:
Ummm ... HW failure involves the need for physical replacement since the part/parts in question is/are effectively un-fixable.

HW that can be fixed without replacement, but through maintenance is not failed. Ever heard of calibration?

You are obviously did not ask any engineers.

You think?

A PS2 is a closed system. It shouldn't require maintenance. This isn't a car. It's a console.

Ceasing to function after normal use is a failure.

Stinkles said:
You are obviously did not consult any linguists. Besides, I question the fiscal validity of having a $150 item professionally calibrated.

Exactly.

Calibration my ass.

You should have to calibrate a digital gauge, not a console. Nice try though.
 
I had a lot of problem with my PS1s (although flipping them upside down would usually fix things). But my PS2s have been great, except for my launch NA one which had problems playing CDs.

My 2 DCs and my first Xbox had trouble playing games after a couple of years of use, skipping on some games, etc.

The PSP has been surprisingly durable. The UMDs are scratched, and I've dropped my PSP on a couple of occasions, and it still works like a charm. No dead or stuck pixels, either.

So I think the PS3 will be pretty reliable, judging by the PS2.
 
I'm pretty sure there will be noteworthy hardware reliability issues with PS3 at launch, yeah. But I'm also equally as sure that it'll be really blown out of proportion so that by the end of the first month if you read message boards you'll have the impression buying a functional system has odds something like playing the lottery.
 
I haven't had too many problems with my launch PS2, thought it hasn't got close to the game time my Xbox has. However, the thing won't play dvd movies worth a damn.

I had a couple PSXs kill over on me before I refused to buy another one again. I took really great care of them also.

Launch Dreamcast still works like a champ to this day, and it got a LOT of playtime put on it. Same with my Xbox and Saturn.
 
Amir0x said:
I'm pretty sure there will be noteworthy hardware reliability issues with PS3 at launch, yeah. But I'm also equally as sure that it'll be really blown out of proportion so that by the end of the first month if you read message boards you'll have the impression buying a functional system has odds something like playing the lottery.


GAF am fill out its warranty card
 
Launch hardware will definitely have issues as production facilities need time to iron out technical kinks. There are also risks of unforseen hardware issues from design (ala PSP in Japan) and choice of parts.
 
Y'know the whole focus on hardware reliability should be on the 360.

Or as I call it, the Xbox Thrixty.

I'm sure there won't be any massive design flaws, but the fact that it could be rushed when it comes to the parts being manufactured...I dunno. I have no clue when it comes to the actual manufacturing of electronics...I don't even know if it could be rushed to the point where it affects quality. Maybe my concern is based on ignorance.
 
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