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Will Madden 2007 (360/ps3) return the series to glory?

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FrenchMovieTheme

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before i get started, don't post in this thread if you are going to say any of the following (or close to them)

* "LOL! "return"?! Doesn't return to glory imply that it was one time great?? (which it wasn't!)"

* "Madden has always sucked and always will!"

* "I want my... I want my... I want my NFL 2kx"

* "winning eleven is the best sports game ever created. madden sucks"

* "I hate EA"
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now that that's out of the way, i want to post this and look back on it in the future to see if anything changed. all of the GAF madden fans will agree that, at the very best, madden 360 was only a halfway decent effort. at the very worst, it was clearly the worst madden game (for it's time) ever created. why did this happen? why did EA diverge from the best sports game ever created (madden 2006 xbox) and completely change the gameplay system? they screwed up the following big time:

* hot route audibles (defense)
* button layout (AGAIN)
* only 1 camera (2 if you zoom out, and then you can't zoom back in)
* great graphics if you are taking stills, but chop city in motion. horrible framerate
* no extras to speak of

i just don't understand why EA didn't take madden 2006 current gen, slap on a few graphical improvements, and put it out. would it have been that hard? that is what everyone wanted. instead we got some bizarre love child of madden, nfl2kx, nfl fever, and dog shit.

my point in making this thread is not only to look back on it months from now, but also because i am worried that EA is going to try to create a new gameplay system from madden 360. that they won't return to the way things were. that would be a huge mistake, because for everyone 1 person who complains that "EA NEVER CHANGES! DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!" there are 1,000 people who like the current madden gameplay and don't want to see any drastic changes.

so please, if you work for ea/tiburon and have any sway in the matter, go back to your bread and butter! i think i speak for most madden fans when i say we don't even care whether the graphics are groundbreaking or not, get the gameplay right first (which you were so close to having perfected!) and build from there. good day to you all!
 
What they need to do most is add everything 06 had on xb/ps2/gc. All the modes, all the audible's on the offence and defence. Clean up the controls. Fix the broken ass defence (as far as controling CB's/Safety's. And add a LAG FREE Online mode. Most of these can be added quite easily
 
I don't know if it was a problem in the 360 version (didn't play that version), but I'd like my special teams to actually block on punt returns.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
my point in making this thread is not only to look back on it months from now, but also because i am worried that EA is going to try to create a new gameplay system from madden 360. that they won't return to the way things were.
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I've went from fearing this to expecting it. I can understand some of the problems in the transtition, but when they said they've created a new engine from scratch only to have the exact same problems the previous generation had, I question what they hell they are doing.

My biggest problem with the game, other than it being stripped of simple features (package specific substitutions, editing rosters), is that they've decided to take the feeling of control away from me. Half of the time, I don't feel like I'm a factor in what happens. I go to bat a ball down, and the game decides I shouldn't even make an effort.

And what happened to the running animation? It looks like complete stick-up-the-ass-NFL2K-style shit. Why did they completely change the controls? Why can't I have an option to keep the QB vision on at snap?

As it is right now, it's a terrible football sim, but a pretty entertaining arcade style game.
 
Oh god, I enjoyed my rental of this game, but please don't get me started on how ridiculously atrocious the running and defensive safety / corner back control is. EA please fix this, and add a couple more modes with a better online element, and I'll gladly fork over $60 hard earned dollars for this on day one.
 
First and foremost, online play needs to be fixed bigtime. I'm sick of EA being cheap asses with the leagues.

Defense in 360 version is suspect if not down right bad with the deep balls that can be caught 80% of the time.

Make the game fluid...I mean shit, how hard is it with the kind of hardware their working with now? The graphics arent all that great.

Thats all I can think of now.
 
Laguna X said:
I don't know if it was a problem in the 360 version (didn't play that version), but I'd like my special teams to actually block on punt returns.
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My brother and I had a huge discussion regarding this with the PS2 version of Madden 06, thankfully, the 360 version has slightly improved special teams AI, but still at best your getting a 7-8 yard return instead of nothing. Overall, special teams AI blows. Big time, like 49ers bad.
 
What EA needs is more then four months on the final kits.

People who are still crying about the launch games crack me up. A year from now no one's gonna remember them.

Madden will be fine BTW...quit yer' worrying.
 
like 49ers bad.
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why did you go there! at least say texans bad, they only won 2 games! we won 4!
 
- Fix online play. I dont mean add online leagues, and crap. I mean FIX ONLINE PLAY! The shit was laggy and had slowdown on 360. It also had bugs like where if you looked at the play on the field, the camera got stuck!

- How about more than 1 camera angle? THX!

- If Madden 07 360/PS3 doesnt have all or almost all the features that we grown to love and enjoy in Madden PS2/Xbox (gameplay features and game modes), then I might have to sit here and bitch and moan while I still buy Madden. You got me by the balls EA!

- You gave us 60 FPS Madden with the first Madden PS2, and you gave us 60 FPS Madden every year since then. So why did you think we would settle for 30 FPS on 360? Why EA? Do I look like a bitch? DO I LOOK LIKE A BITCH?!
 
newsguy said:
real time physics FTW. They better fix the running though.
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Absolutely. This game lost something in the transition to 360. Something about the feel of the game just wasn't quite there. It had better be next year or i'm not buying. I swear on it this time. I felt a little burned with this recent purchase. :/
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
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why did you go there! at least say texans bad, they only won 2 games! we won 4!
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We atleast get the number one pick for sucking,you got the right to say we won a whole 2 more games than the horrible Texans.

Bush will haunt your dreams.
 
For the love of all that is holy please give us 60FPS EA. None is there 30FPS, screen tearing, slow ass gameplay shitttttttttttttttttttt.

The advanced physics system is going to be in 07, too. So I hope this happens.

Controls need to be much more responsive. It can't make me feel like I'm running in slow motion.

Getting the pinball motion gun in the running game is nice, but we need some momentum. There is none right now.

In closing, give me a reason to not buy PS2 Madden 07 EA. :/
 
EA has no need to as they have the exclusive NFL license. With no competition, they can release whatever and have it sell decently.

Until EA really loses out on sales, I don't expect the series to get that much better.
 
I knew the 360 version wouldn't be all that and I warned you people selling your xbox copies, but none of you listened! I'm sure 2007 will be the TRUE next gen Madden as I predicted earlier.

I like the cone, but they could make it easier by having the option for 1 button receiver switching, instead of a button with the right stick, for people who want it.

Bring back 60fps.

Practice mode...no practice mode? That's fucking retarded.
Bring back the presentation of the previous Franchise mode. Radio, news, etc
Owner mode
Create-A-Player
Online EA Locker
Mini Camp
defensive hot routes
Playmaker defense/offense
quick snap

Camera angles!

Fix the running game...you made it worse!
No more suction blocking!!
Better blocking AI and maybe bring back playmaker blocking adjustments for running/passing.
 
Oh yea, EA better cut this 1on1 bullshit out also. I'm sick of this running through the guy getting tackled BS...
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
i would have gladly kept my xbox copy if it was BC
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I think it's become pretty clear that EA and other publishers can push their weight around with Microsoft on what games become backwards compatible and what game don't. I'm sure EA made it clear they did not want games like Madden 06 and Burnout Revenge working on the 360 as they would fear the loss of sales on the new versions of the games.


We'll see if this trend continues but i'm just about sure it will.
 
Is anyone else pissed about the menu layout of the 360 version? It seems really stupid to have to scroll back and forth between the different modes to adjust settings and such. Asides from that, the trades system sucks, as it is considerably harder to cycle between position players from different teams.

Another big one. WTF EA. Why the fuck aren't their any challenges in the fucking game. If my quarterback is going to "fumble" the god damm ball once per half whenever he is sacked, I should at least be able to say to myself "oh thats a tuck rule" and be able to challenge the play. I mean christ, I'm not asking for 60 FPS or something. Oh wait we are... Please EA, I want to buy Madden 07 and not just rent it and grow board of it. Please make it happen. It's all I want for christmas. Please, thanks.
 
Well it'll be the first ground up next gen Madden right? I can't freakin wait either way..PS3 plus Madden 2007 (in addition to many other games) will put a smile on my face
 
Rorschach said:
Bring back 60fps.

Practice mode...no practice mode? That's fucking retarded.
Bring back the presentation of the previous Franchise mode. Radio, news, etc
Owner mode
Create-A-Player
Online EA Locker
Mini Camp
defensive hot routes
Playmaker defense/offense
quick snap

Camera angles!

Fix the running game...you made it worse!
No more suction blocking!!
Better blocking AI and maybe bring back playmaker blocking adjustments for running/passing.
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Yes!

The idea that this is the next gen Madden engine scares me a ton. You better refine that shit. It's such an incredible downgrade for hardcore Madden players. And until they get it right, we're all gonna suffer. I hope 2007 is it. Overall though, my biggest request is make it Madden again. Cause that was clearly not.
 
If EA had a reason to bother making the next game better, maybe... But since they don't, 'cuz nobody else can make NFL games, well, my bets are on no.
 
They will bring back 2 features from the old games every year, then start again on PS4, its just a ploy so they never have to think of a new feature again.
 
I wont be satisfied until EA does away with the current animation/physics system. I dont remeber the thread but there were movies linked in it to real time animation models.

When I played Madden on my 360 I like to control my safeties. It infuriates me that once the RB engages into an animation with another player that I cant have effect on them. I want Sean Taylor push the both of them back across the line of scrimmage but what happens? My safety clips through the two players and of course it happens to be a break tackle animation and since ST clipped through he's out of position.

Do you guys think its possible or feasible for 2007? I remeber reading an interview where they said they want to do it. I dont know if it was official or not.

- Mario running needs to be removed completely.
- RB's need to be able to push their linemen forward for yardage. Linemen dont stand in one spot for the entire play.
- The controls for hte 360 are horrible. Having pump fake and the vision cone on the freaking trigger makes for tons of mistakes. If you dont time it just right you'll be pump faking your way into sacks all day long.
 
Shinobi said:
Hold on a second...Madden 360 is 30fps? :lol Good Lord...that's just inexcusable.
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It is 30FPS with a rediculous amount of screen tearing.

Seeing how bad Madden is on 360, there is much trepidation about the 07 version. Hopefully with the PLAYSTATION 3 being out this year we get the real deal on 360 too.
 
Mrbob said:
It is 30FPS with a rediculous amount of screen tearing.

Seeing how bad Madden is on 360, there is much trepidation about the 07 version. Hopefully with the PLAYSTATION 3 being out this year we get the real deal on 360 too.
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Yeah, EA will defintely deliver on '07. I had no idea '06 was that bad. I still put more blame on the lack of time with the final kits then the publishers though.

I always felt that two of PS2's strongest initial US games were Madden '01 and SSX, and it proved that EA could make games that look as good as anyone's when they put their minds to it. Fight Night 3 is another indication of that, even with some animation issues.
 
Ramirez said:
I would like to believe so,but this game was so bad,I'm not sure a year will do it :(
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It looks to me just like a game that wasn't finished. If they kept development going even after the gold date, I don't think we have too much to worry about. The product manager said all the crap missing and gameplay tweaks should be ready for next year, but we will see.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
i just don't understand why EA didn't take madden 2006 current gen, slap on a few graphical improvements, and put it out. would it have been that hard? that is what everyone wanted. instead we got some bizarre love child of madden, nfl2kx, nfl fever, and dog shit.
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I agree with this 100%. Playing it is like a brand new, not goos game. When they had such a good product in the current gen it is mind boggling how brokedn the 360 version is.

I think the problem is EA is in between a rock and a hrd place. If they just took the current gen gameplay engine and put a new coat of (graphical) paint on it, it would be subject to the same criticisms as NBA 2K6 on 260, criticisms that a lot of EA "fans" leveled against Visual Concepts. They likely felt the need to start from scratch because of the roster update 200x complaints they get.

Personally I would prefer current gen gameplay with new graphics and evolve the game system as they normally do year to year.
 
If Madden 360 was just a high res Madden Xbox port, I would have still paid $60 for that over what we got (which was an incomplete game, it was like EA used us to beta test for them)

The good thing is that EA knows people didnt like their 360 efforts (the low sales and the low review scores show this), plus Larry Probst, EA CEO, stated in their last conference call that EA's 360 efforts had fallen short and they "ran out of time" so they focused on graphics during development. He promised that the 2007 line-up will focus on improving gameplay.
 
DMczaf said:
If Madden 360 was just a high res Madden Xbox port, I would have still paid $60 for that over what we got (which was an incomplete game, it was like EA used us to beta test for them)

The good thing is that EA knows people didnt like their 360 efforts (the low sales and the low review scores show this), plus Larry Probst, EA CEO, stated in their last conference call that EA's 360 efforts had fallen short and they "ran out of time" so they focused on graphics during development. He promised that the 2007 line-up will focus on improving gameplay.
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I would have bought it too. The improved graphics would be enough for me to buy it- that's enough for me in a "first of "next gen effort.
 
shantyman said:
PS: There sure are a lot of Steelers avatars lately. I'm shocked, shocked!
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two is a lot?

what sucked for me was I was just starting to really like Madden while playing the last two Xbox versions. then EA pulls this shit on 360 and Im right back to being a hater. what it comes down to is Madden is the best AND the worst NFL game on the market today. haters and Maddenites are both right! :lol
 
hgplayer1 said:
two is a lot?

what sucked for me was I was just starting to really like Madden while playing the last two Xbox versions. then EA pulls this shit on 360 and Im right back to being a hater. what it comes down to is Madden is the best AND the worst NFL game on the market today. haters and Maddenites are both right! :lol
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I swear there are more beyond Matlock and Diablos...
 
The best part of madden 360 is it was easy to get 1000 achievement points. The only redeeming quality of the game. I hope EA puts a little more effort into achievements for 07. So maybe I have to play more than one game and sim the franchise to get them.

Slo said:
Let me get this straight: there was NO PRACTICE MODE in Madden 360!??!?!
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There is a whole lot of nothing in regards to the game modes in madden 360.
 
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